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sparklyholiday
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Subject says it all. I'm negative across the board, have a large amount of symptoms and a cd57 of 44.

I really don't want it to be lyme. :-(

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I'd be curious to know this as well...
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I wouldn't get too hung up on the CD57. I'm not sure they know enough about it. My cd57 is really high, and I am loaded with co infections and lyme. They basically just use it as a benchmark to monitor your progress.

The correct diagnosis for lyme is a clinical one (symptoms). Lyme is a stealth invader and unless there happens to be some evidence in that tiny test tube of blood, I would assume you have it, especially with the symptoms.

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Yes. A low CD57 also indicates protomyxzoa. I am in remission with borellia but I have PR and my CD57 remains low.

But with PR, bands 23 and 41 are usually positive. Mine were.

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old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

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CD57 test:

http://heallyme.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/understanding-the-cd-57-test/

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/01/cd57.html

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Thanks for the above two websites. Very informative.
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Most likely Lyme.

Did you have positive bands on your western blot?

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sparklyholiday
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No, my western blot is completely negative...
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Not even band 41??

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I have a CD57 of 16 after many years of treating. It started at 19. My test was CDC positive near onset of symptoms and now it is much less positive after two years of strong treatment (yet I'm even more symptomatic than I was in the beginning).

I do think protomyxzoa could be an issue as well. I had 23 and 41.

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Summer3, if bands 23 and 41 were positive you should get tested for PR. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy but if you have it, you need to know.

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Negative to band 41..
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I've observed that individuals with Babesia tend to have higher CD57's in the setting of Lyme than those who do not have Babs...

While this may not hold true 100% of the time, it is nevertheless a trend I have seen here and in other Lyme support groups...

Also, I do think there may be other infections (chronic) that can lower CD57, including possibly some viruses (e.g., XMRV)...

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Lyme IgM IGeneX Pos. 18+++, 23-25+, 30++, 31+, 34++, 39 IND, 83-93 IND; IgG IGeneX Neg. 30+, 39 IND; Mayo/CDC Pos. IgM 23+, 39+; IgG Mayo/CDC Neg. band 41+; Bart. (clinical dx; Fry Labs neg. for all coinfections), sx >30 yrs.

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http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/lymeseroneg.html

Reasons for False Negative (Seronegative) Test Results in Lyme Disease


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=015508;p=0

Diagnosing Lyme Disease (&/or whatever else is going on)

Other tick-borne infections and other chronic stealth infections - as well as certain conditions that can hold us back - are discussed here.


http://publichealthalert.org/uploads/2013_6.pdf

Public Health Alert (PHA) is a newspaper committed to researching and investigating Lyme Disease and other chronic illnesses

Laboratory Tests and Diagnosis for Lyme Disease and Co-infections - June 2013

- by Armin Schwarzbach, M.D., Ph.D. - Five Pages


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=013239;p=0

What is a LLMD? LL ND? What is ILADS?

WHY you need an ILADS "educated" or "minded" Lyme Literate doctor (whether MD or ND, or both) - starting with assessment / evaluation for lyme, OTHER tick-borne diseases, and other chronic stealth infections - and all that goes along for the ride.

Medical "models" explained here, as to differences in the ISDA & ILADS models of assessment & treatment - and exactly why it is so very important to know the differences.
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Looking over your posting history, it seems that your doctor may be more lyme aware than the average doctor to think you may have lyme and offer one month of doxycycline to see how you do.

However, it does not sound like she / he is ILADS educated because, an ILADS-educated doctor would know that if you do have lyme . . .

How taking just doxycycline (or other antibiotics alone) can cause Chronic Lyme:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=120369;p=0

Topic: replication within cystic forms of lyme

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Now, it may be that if she / he could better pinpoint a lyme diagnosis, they would then have a more comprehensive - combination - treatment plan in mind. Just be sure to ask about that.

You should be assessed for other TBD, too.
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sparklyholiday
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Thanks for all the info Keebler, I will read over it all tonight! :-)
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