desertwind
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I just added these two to the mix 5 days ago.
Was wondering if any of you who have tried these two or are currently on them could share your experience (s). Thanks DW
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I wish I could help (never tried them). I can't take all the alcohol.
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desertwind
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I would have thought more people are using these two detox products. I had to cut out a few tintures due to the alcohol in them.
The NT-Detox is a powder so there is no alcohol in it and has a couple clay ingrediants along with roots and herbs et al.
Too soon to say whether they are helping or not.
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Up for responses. I am going to be starting these also. :-)
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I didn't know they made a powder with no alcohol (that's great!). I will check it out next time I see my doc. Thanks for posting this Desertwind!
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Sorry..it is the Detox 2 that is in powder form!
Dr. H. just gave this to me last week so I think it may be a new B.W. protocol they are using.
Catgirl; you got me thinking about the alcohol in all the tintures I am taking and have noticed that since I cut back so has my tinnitus.
Anyhow, I feel like the Detox 2 is certinaly binding with alot of toxins and it does create a bit of a herx.
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I will be starting Detox 2 the week after next.
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Desertwind, Dr. H put me on Detox 2 this past week, too! I haven't started yet because I'm still Herxing my pants off from the parasite protocol.
Thanks for the heads up on the Detox 2 herx! I'd love to hear what others are saying.
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Desertwind, I evaporate the alcohol out of my drops everyday. I could not tolerate them if I didn't do this (yeast). I just put the drops in a small dish and swirl them around so the formula is broken up (the alcohol dries quicker). Kind of looks like a snail trail (ha ha). It takes longer, but it's worth it to me.
If I have an appointment that I need to get to the next morning, I just make them the night before and refrigerate them.
Thanks, I will check out the Detox 2 on my next visit. :)
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Thanks Catgirl. I will try doing that as well because I really think all of the alcohol from the tinutures was flaring my yeast as well.
My LLMD never mentioned that to me!
So I am on day 14 of the Detox 2. I am noticing a BIG change (in a positive way) in my bathroom habits (like a normal person!) and my overall energy. I feel like it is really binding with stuff - suppose to bind with all toxins - from metals to mold to yeast/fungi, parasited, die off ect. I feel less gooey sick and much more clear minded.
Mind you I also added Doxy and Flagyl into my mix but even with those two abx.s I am not feeling sick!
I think alot of my on-going issues stem from yeast and parasites and inability to detox. So far I give Detox 2 the thumbs up! Look forward to hearing others experiences. DW
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I started Detox 2 yesterday. Yikes, the taste definitely got my attention!
desertwind, I am glad it is helping you. I hope it helps me as much.
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Right on Desertwind! I am really glad to hear you are feeling better!
When do you take the detox 2 (got some yesterday)? Before or after the doxy/flagyl?
Unfortunately, I had to go off of Byron White. :( It's no longer working for me (think I'm resistant).
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Thanks Sammi and Catgirl; Yes the taste is HORRIBLE!!!!! But what we will do to get better:)
I take Detox 2 2 hours after my morning meds and 2 hours before my evening meds. You know..hard to schedule this that and the other.
Sorry that you had to go off of Byron White. I have such a hard time with it - no matter how small of a dose I do. With A-L, A-P and A-B I get weird head issues of inner numbness and ear stuff - I feel like my head is not my own. I just cannot tolerate it. I still wonder if it might be an allergy to one of the herbs or just a killer die off.
The only time I can get to feeling 75 - 95% better is when I am on Doxy,Zythro and Mepron. Getting tired of the ups and downs....Guess you can all relate right?
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Thanks Desertwind. Yeah, the Byron White worked wonderfully for a while, but sadly the alcohol became too much for me (even evaporating the drops). I wish you the very best with this though. :) Hopefully you won't have as difficult a time as I did.
How many parasite meds are you doing, and do you know how long are you going to be on them? Doc H. gave me a short course and it didn't do much for me.
Are you supposed to take Detox 2 even when you're off parasite meds too?
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Desert wind how much of the Detox 2 are you taking? And how often?
I have reacted so strongly to AL and A art in the past that I had to stop the abart, and I could never get the Al up in the past, but DrH wants me to try again, but first take detox 2 and NTDetox from Byron white to see if that helps with die off.
I have only taken two very small doses( not even 1/8 of a tsp) of the detox 2, 3 days apart. I have reacted so strongly to other things that I want to very slow, nervous of major flare. I will slowly up the dose.
I am doing OK with NT detox so far at a half as drop twice a week right now. Are you on this also? Does the detox 2 seem to help you tolerate the antibiotics? Are you taking stuff for parasites as well? Seems like you are taking a lot, if I read things right :-) thanks, dee
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BBinme; Sorry I never followed up on this posting...
I am up to 1/4 tsp twice a day of the Detox 2.
I too have had a very hard time on the Byron White's - A-L, A-P and A-Babs. BUT, after being on the Detox 2 and NP Detox for a few weeks, I can now tolerate the B.W. formulas much better!
I take the NT Detox about 3-4 times a week - just one drop at a time. Initally I got really bad chills and herx from it but now I just feel better after taking it.
I am taking A-P, Pau D' Arco, Paragone tincture and a recent dose of Pin-x for Parasite. Dr. H. wants me to wait on any other parasite tx for right now. I am waiting for some results to come in and we might do some pharma. anti-para.'s.
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I am also on NT Detox & Detox 2. The first time I took Detox 2 at 1/8 I felt horrible & herxed. By the 3rd time I ramped up to 1 teaspoon & probably more & I did not get a reaction.
The NT Detox does not do squat for me, although I only take 1 drop orally and only once a week.
Doesn't the Detox pull the ABX out of your system as well? I was told to take the detox at around 2PM, far away from morning & evening ABX pills, which sounds about right to me.
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Lymedin2010, I don't think you are supposed to take one teaspoon at a time of the Detox 2. I think it is only supposed to be 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time (unless of course your doctor recommends a higher amount). It does need to be taken hours apart from meds and supplements.
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I had the same problem with herx reaction until I educated myself about how to take the A-L. Apparently my well meaning but over extended doctor didn't take the time to learn how to use the Byron Whites properly. Had to do it myself. Shoulda asked for a partial refund from the Doc : ) I called the company and found out they now have information on their blog about the formulas now and a recording to listen to which is where I learned about the herx stuff. So complicated all of it but now that I know I can't understand why so many doctors don't make time to learn to use them right. They work better and you don't get as sick that way. Arrrgh! SO upsetting! And then they charge you an arm and a leg. Ok, letting go now...
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I had no trouble adding 1 drop/day and increasing by 1 drop each week on BWF A-L. Currently, I am doing 15 drops/day for the past couple months.
I started A-Myco 7 weeks ago doing the same method. It was going okay until I hit that 7th drop per day.
I thought I was having a relapse. The fatigue, malaise, etc. I took two charcoal capsules, and I felt much better in an hour or two.
Yesterday, I didn't take any A-Myco, and had the energy to catch up what I didn't do the day before.
Today, I took 7 drops of Myco. Several hours later I'm dizzy, feeling yucky, occasional nausea, & feverish (but no fever).
I am so scared I might be heading for a relapse, but could this be a HERX?
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CherylSue, it sounds to me that the drops are stirring things up. You felt better when you skipped a day, and when you resumed the symptoms returned. Maybe back down on the dose?
I am extremely sensitive to Byron White Formulas. I cannot tolerate A-BAB.
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It seems consistent with a herx based on the timing of your symptoms. Or...,possibly that specific one is just not right for you.
There are some Byron Whites I cannot tolerate - even when I am feeling good. I do believe that there may be some herbs in the formulas that I am sensitive or allergic to.
My llmd and I recently spoke about this and he did say that not all negative reactions to B.W.'s are herxes.
Now that I have been on the Detox formulas for a while I can see that they really help and I feel worse without them. A-FNG has come in handy and great for mold/yeast issues but very very strong - like starting out at one drop a week strong!
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I restarted the A-Myco the day after I starting feeling better, and wham, I felt yucky again, so I think it is a herx. I can tolerate the A-L Complex and never had that huge a reaction. I take 15 drops a day of that.
My insurance is giving my doctor and my pharmacy a difficult time every time I try to refill my RX. I may not be able to get abx under my insurance much longer. I feel very anxious about this, but I've been on a variety of abx for 6 years, and I'm terrified to go off them since I still feel vulnerable with fatigue issues. This is why I'm doing BWF. My LLMD had said that abx are better, but he adds BWF towards the end of treatment.
Since Mycoplasma is a factor in my illness, I think I'll back down and try A-Myco again in a few days after Thanksgiving.
Thanks for your input.
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Kaybabalimia, that's great that you now know how to use these herbs. I had to ask my doc many times about them (just wouldn't sink in-lol). I finally looked at the website too. It is so helpful. Even doc H and Doc C's studies and statements were beneficial too me.
I did have a problem with BW herbs earlier this year, but hitting metals resolved that for me. The more I get out, the more alcohol I can tolerate and the better my yeast gets, so I'm back on Byron White formulas (several months). I use Detox 1 and 2 and NT Detox. They all work well. I use many others but all three of these detox formulas work for me.
Cheryl Sue, it does sound like the 7 drops is making you herx. We're not supposed to push the herx. It's opposite of what we were taught with abx (tolerate the herx). I would back down on the A-Myco to what you could tolerate and hang with it a while. I go weeks sometimes on a formula before I increase it, especially the strong ones (A-Myco, A-Bab, etc). These herbs do hit other types of parasites as well.
Whenever I have an issue with any herb, I back down to the previous dose or any dose that I can tolerate with no herx like symptoms, and the problem resolves itself.
BW herbs all have a synergistic effect. Mixing them together, and then also with abx, or even herbs for parasites adds more to the mix (stronger), so I have to do lower dosages than if I were off of abx or parasite stuff. I go super slow upping drops (key for me).
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Good advice, Catgirl. Thanks. I backed down to 3 drops daily and I seem to tolerate that.
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I'm herxing again. Now I can't even seem to tolerate 15 drops of the A-L that I've been on for a few months. However, I am at the dregs of the bottle, and even though I shake the bottle well, maybe it's just a more concentrated dose.
Or, it could be that I overdid it 2 days ago walking 2 miles, instead of one.
I feel like my old Lymie self at the present...Yucky.
I am taking abx, also, so maybe Catgirl is right about taking things slower.
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I have been taking the NT detox for about 4 weeks. My LLMD told me to take the detox 1 drop a day for
a week and increase the drop by one each week. The first few days I took it I got a small headache,
now I am up to 4 drops without really noticing anything. I was told to not exceed 5 drops as it is
not intended for that. Does it mean it is not working if I dont feel anything anymore?
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Finally restarted the A-Myco again. Started at 3 drops then 4 drops/day.
I had a really bad herx for a few days when I had worked up to 7 drops/day as per above.
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