Kudzuslipper
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Ok Friends, I have been avoiding this, cause I really can't take anymore non-specific cures, that seems like guess work.
but the truth of the matter is my Mercury level is continually high. It was 15, went down to 14 after limiting my big mouthed fish consumption. And, this is a blood test... so from what I have read this means it is even higher if it is high on a blood test.
I am exhausted from reading about illness and what to do...and it is all becoming a blur, and i am confusing myself to no end.
Is there a medical (non alternative) way to eliminate mercury from my system?
are there other tests I should get to confirm?
I read about Alpha Lipoic Acid as a chelator...which I took for much of my lyme treatment-- seemed to help with neuropathy... but I doubt I took it right for chelating mercury.
I am afraid of "chelation" at least IV... but I am also wary (at the moment) of off the beaten path therapies. Perhaps because I have not met the right practitioners...
so I am asking what would the most conservative medical dr. do for chelating mercury? And what kind of dr. would one see?
If I could ask a favor... please feel free to post links, I may have energy to read more later... but right now, I am looking for friends to tell me in laymen's terms what to consider doing.
greatly appreciated.
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Kudzuslipper
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Oh, I wanted to add... I did get my remaining amalgams removed in october... the dentist was not a biologic dentist, but was very cautious and used a dental dam. I have been seeing this dentist for 10 years and trust him more than any other dentist I have ever seen.
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I personally think it's wise to have medical guided chelation. Not saying IV's, but guided in checking immune function while under protocol.
We did some chelation for my dd. She had been fully vaccinated with the mercury laden vaccines in 2005, starting with the Hep B (without my consent) when she was a day old and 6 pounds,
and had a dysfunctional immune system. Anyway, I studied Andrew Cutler, author of 'Amalgam Illness'
and her treating MD at the time agreed that DMPS and DMSA are the 2 proven effective chelators for mercury removal,
having 'claws' to grab the mercury and not redistribute it. Theory on 'half life' is debated- we ended up doing DMSA every 4 hours as I didn't want to chance it, low dose, 3 days on (weekends) oral dose (which can increase yeast)
rest days 'off' and remineralize the body. We didn't get too many rounds in because DMSA can lower the neutrophil count in the body, and
basically that happened (all pre- Lyme) and we blew up into PANDAS. DMPS the 1/2 life is longer, every 8 hours, and doesn't lower neutrophil (white blood cells) count.
DMPS does need a prescription. For mercury, that would be my choice. DMSA does not need a prescription.
Further testing: A hair test will show what the body is excreting, a porphyrin test (we did both on both of us, I don't have metals, never amalgam, no shots, etc.)
I tested along with my dd because I was having memory problems, this was before we had a clue about Lyme.
My memory problems cleared with LLMD Lyme and Bart treatment.
It is concerning your blood is showing high mercury, as mercury tends to not circulate, and instead bury in organs and tissues.
Perhaps it's a good sign your body is excreting it. May be why you feel ill/ lymph. I'd say get a good binder and detox right now.
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Thanks Surprise. You are my guide tonight. I miss the days when dr's told you what to do. But then again...
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Cilantro tincture is suppose to be very good at picking up mercury. Chlorella will also bind it in the gut so its not reabsorbed.
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I was told Cowden's Zeolite HP is for mercury. I took Cowden's regular Zeolite capsules and did fine with those, but the HP stirred things up enough after one pill that I still have a full bottle of it left.
Maybe in my case it was pulling the mercury, but redistributing it and causing worse symptoms. It's been a number of months since I took the HP, and cannot remember what the exact response was, but I think it was a worsening of my parasite symptoms. So I didn't continue since my natural practitioner didn't help me more with it.
I wonder if Chlorella does help with removing mercury. I should be bringing down my load then. I will say that when I first started the chlorella, my bm's were white coated, similar to when I first started doing the colesteramine. The practitioners said that was normal with getting rid of the toxins (and maybe metals).
Results RNA has a nano spray zeolite. You could check into that perhaps.
I am personally scared (because of my former natural health practitioner story a client that went in a flare just by doing the dmsa urine challenge. I'm supposed to do this, I have the kit, but my lymebrain won't allow me follow the instructions and get it done and sent!
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It is my understanding that some chelators can bust biofilms, hence the possibility of herxing from doing a challenge for metals.
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The best chelator that I have tried so far is microsilica, prescribed by my LLND. It is very expensive, but will last for months. I also take chlorella 3 x day.
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A ND I worked with started me on chorella; it was very gentle, but effective.
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My worry with chlorella is a clean source after Fukushima. I have read testimony of mercury toxic folks feeling sick after eating cilantro - I think it can move it around, but not out.
Micro silica I have read good things about it binding in the gut, but I know you've had diverculitus Kudz, not sure if it's like DE and could be too sharp?
As you can see, lots of varying opinions on chelation. But I woke up this morning thinking of
Liposomal glutathione and liposomal vitamin C for you. Expensive, but excellent. Liposomal glutathione we've used and it's made a positive difference in feeling better.
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surprise, good point. I hadn't thought of Fukushima.
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There is controversy about the use of cilantro/coriander on its own for chelation. It has been shown to be an effective mobiliser of metals, even from the brain, but is not supposed to be a binder, which is why it is often paired with something like chlorella.
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Kudzuslipper
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thanks for all the thoughts everyone. surprise can you send me the brands of liposomal glutathione and c?
I worry about the binders...
does anyone know if the extended formulaitons of ALA would allow you to chelate with fewer doses?
for example the product I have used is Jarrow ALA sustain... it is a fast release and an extended release.
I thought i read somewhere on here of another brand of extended release ALA.
does anyone ever suggest doing nothing? just letting the mercury be? try to avoid more... but basically do nothing... will it ever get out of your system on it's own.
I mean, really, how do we really know what is herx? what is mercury? what is parasites? what is just feeling crappy for a day or two?
I am so weary of not really knowing what's causing what?
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Well, you have a blood test that states high mercury, or mercury floating around, and your lymph glands are really swollen.
Love you, but you need to detox! I'm in a rush, forgive my non scientific banter without links.
Glutathione is THE master detoxer in the body. The body makes it. All the MTHFR protocols? All so the body can better make glutathione. It is reported anyone with any kind of illness will have low glut. You can get it tested.
Seems all LLMD's (my 2) autism Dr.s, Dr. H, all agree, any kind of protocol, get glutathione to detox, it's the best. Skin creams of it don't really work. IV would be the best, but in lieu of that, suppositories or lipo form. I've taken 'actyl' form, think lipo is better.
We've used Redisorb, it's a liquid, yes it tastes nasty. So what, washed it down with juice, but it's not pleasant. I've used glutathione suppositories bought from Forrest Health. Those were good!
Some months ago I splurged, and bought Pure Encapsulations (my favorite brand) Lipo glutathione in a capsule form. It's new, capsule form lipo glut.
My dd and I took it daily, and it was a huge positive. Big YES. I'd buy more, but I'm on a budget now. It requires cold ship, not cheap, but taken daily, was awesome.
Vitamin C pushes stuff out. Researched Nutritionals (Dr. B's endorsed brand, also very much like this brand myself) makes Tri- fortify orange: a lipo C and lipo glut eatable gel. Haven't tried that, but I would if I had more cash on hand. Green and Healthy sells it, but they take awhile to ship.
Lipo glut, lipo C, if I may boldly say, won't make you feel worse and can only help. Charcoal capsules, since you run the opposite of constipation, I'd recommend to try as well (must be taken hours away from any supps or meds)
Used for food poisoning, captures toxins/ engulfs.
But if I were you right now, I'd get lipo glutathione and lipo C, to tie me over. Red root tincture from Woodland Essence. If you are cool with homeopathy, Pekana lymph drainage.
IMO, all can help. Not killing or making it worse. xxoo
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I'm not disagreeing Surprise. I do feel like I need to detox.
and I agree that Glutathione and C (lipo) will not hurt. I am gonna try that. thanks for the brands.
not afraid of a bitter taste either if it helps.
I have known about the high mercury for about a year. I am thinking of addressing it now, cause of the lymph nodes...
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I know you're looking for a medical (non alternative) way to treat high mercury, but I thought I'd put these three on your list to read.
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Kudzuslipper
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Thanks Steve, this actually looks interesting. And that link is a great resource.
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Kudzuslipper
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I always like to help those who have helped me..
Found the research nutritionals liposomal glutathione and c gel Here for about $20 less than anywhere else. Free shipping over $75. (Still crazy expensive)
surprise
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Well, I ended up buying Tri- fortify orange, too. (so much for my budget)
Wondering if we can freeze it and it'll taste like a creamsicle? (also had to buy anti- yeast products, sugar on the brain)
Anyway, lipo C and lipo glut are also suppose to be great for adrenals, according to Dr. Lam.
Cheers Kudz, better soon.
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Hope you found something Kudzu. How're the lymph glands feeling?
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Kudzuslipper
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test results are in...my Mercury is down to 6 from 15 after getting my amalgams out. I am still gonna do the the glutathione and c when it comes... can't hurt. curiously she also had had me cut all supplements but D. could my fish oil have mercury in it? good brand, Carlson?
but my inflammation is up even more on my cautious diet. (well, it had only been a week of that diet when my doctor took blood)
I am really in a pickle about inflammation. I can't do curcumin, I can't do herbs, I shouldn't do prednisone. But I know it is what is causing me discomfort.
any ideas?
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Aww man... Great news about the mercury but bad news about the inflammation.
What about Low Dose Naltrexone?
It really is the cats pajamas for inflammation and immune support. (For me anyways)
Mmm...pickles.
Sorry got sidetracked there.
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