desertwind
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Okay, so I am a week post op for lower molar extraction and bone graft. Was an old root canal that had fractured many a years ago.
So I have been back to my OS twice since the procedure because I have been having some pain and he is very good about making sure all looks okay.
The problem is I am having dry socket symptoms but do not have dry socket. Pain getting worse radiating into jaw and ear - opposing teeth now very painful. Also pain in into my lymph node and nerve pain in lower teeth.
OS says no sign of infection and no infection at time of extraction.
I am on pretty high dose of Clindamycin and going to add some babs meds per llmd.
I am scared my intense post op pain involves a Lyme issue. Everything LOOKS good but I am now in terrible pain - like Percocet level pain. I went 13 hours w/o pain meds and was in tears.
I don't know what to do. No explanation for the intense pain since all looks okay except for some normal swelling. I am near tears that I totally screwed up getting the extraction and bone graft.
Probably a dumb question but could Lyme et all be making my recovery so painful? I was in remission for a while and now fear the worst. I am actually feeling worse as time goes on.
Anyone have experience w/ dental extractions and Lyme? Thanks DW
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DW-I am so sad you are in so much pain
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lpkayak
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If the pain involves nerve neurontin might help-highest dose for this
It helps for tri gem neuralgia pain that can be in teeth, jaw, ear
I think dental procedure like this can cause bells type sx too-i know someone this happened to so anything that will help nerve pain might get you thru
It could be swelling/inflammation affecting nerve and you need to do what you can to reduce it while it heals
Im not saying its not Bb and i think its good your on tx
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I am sorry you are in so much pain. I think having Lyme can make dental surgery harder to recuperate from and it can cause a regression in your illness. Our bodies are already working hard to fight the various challenges that Lyme and co. have created and now you have something else to deal with.
It sounds like that may be what happened here. I hope that over time, you will start to feel better. I don't know if it will help, but my LLND and acupuncturist told me to try arnica oil to rub on my face (jaw and area around surgery) following dental surgery. It not only helps to reduce the pain, but supports healing of the bone and tissue.
I would let your LLMD know what is going on and ask about this as well. Glad you have been in good contact with your OS to keep him abreast of everything. Amazing what the x-rays don't show. So sorry. I hope each day gets better for you.
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desertwind
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Thanks so much - just getting your feedback helps for sanity check!
I am not a baby when it comes to pain but geez...when I need to take Percocet?
Nice idea w/ the gabapentin. I have some already so I will give that a try. My llmd is aware of my procedure and felt I was healthy enough to start working on dental issues. I started on clinda. prior to the extraction and will continue. I just started on malarone last night and back on some parasite herbs.
Yes, to the Arnica gel. I have been using that the last couple of days - also loading up on vit.C, B and Zinc to help healing. Thinking of trying some clove oil as well.
My OS is really wonderful and would have me come in everyday to check the site if I wanted! I am just having a hard time understanding why/how it could hurt this much a week out but if I think about the extent of the procedure coupled w/Lyme it makes a bit more sense.
Right now I regret having the extraction but I am hoping in the end getting that nasty dead tooth out will prove to be a good thing! DW
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I just have to share - for anyone who is interested...
Moral of the story? Always get a second opinion even when your doctor is Harvard trained.
So I have been in sooo much agony and pain for the past week since this extraction and thought I had dry socket. My now former OS said no, no, no, you do not have dry socket and to just keep loading up on Percocet. So I tried to believe him, despite the doubting voice inside of me saying something was wrong.
Well this morning I had enough of the pain and went to my general dentist. What did/do I have? Dry Socket. Now you tell me how can a Harvard trained Oral Surgeon miss this? I have been in to see him twice in the past week with these symptoms and presentations but he missed it. How does that happen?
She packed the hole in my jaw with clove oil. I think I am having a parasite herx now:). Simple diagnosis and simple treatment.
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Oh MY!
Ouch ouch ouch! dry socket!
I am SO glad you saw your dentist and she could help you.
Do you feel relief already?
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I had a horrible dry socket last year after having a tooth pulled. The pain was severe. Unfortunately mine took a long time to heal which resulted in me needing to go back for packing changes every few days for several weeks. Hopefully yours will heal quicker.
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I am following this thread and feel so bad for you and so scared for me with my appt tomorrow
The two dentists i saw did not agree but i dont think i can get a third opinion
I really think you were smart to get it out-the sooner the better
And zapping parasites too! Woo hoo!
I hope the pain calms down soon
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desertwind
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Thanks for the support:) .
The dry socket had been there since the beginning, so had it for 9 days. Holy cow is all I can say cuz I don't want to curse!
I am feeling almost immediate and complete relief from the clove oil but of course still have normal post - op pain. I have to go back everyday for 4 or 5 days to have it replaced. I fired the Oral Surgeon and cannot wait to speak with him to find out how he missed such a common and obvious thing. I do not trust him to put the implant in. Highly regarded in my area but he missed it.
I know my healing is delayed but at least I can get off the Percocet and engage in a semi normal life again.
I think in the end getting them out is better then keeping them in.
lpkayak; Best wishes to you tomorrow. Minus the dry socket it was not all that bad - but I was under sedation during the procedure. Minus the dry socket I have some jaw pain, normal gum /bone pain and opposing tooth pain. I agree that it is better to get them out then keep them in. Yeah the dry socket treatment was a 2 for 1. It dawned on me on the way home..."hum...clove oil...hum..parasites bye bye".
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I was told my roots are short and there is no bone infection but it is hard to trust
Implant was talked about but i rejected it. I had my one and ony rootcanal taken out over 5 yrs ago and i have done fine that way
I know it is more complicated when you have more teeth pulled
I just have a gut feeling the less they do the better when lyme is involved
Thanks for good wishes-take care of yourself
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Carol in PA
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Serrapeptase will reduce the inflammation and swelling following oral surgery.
PEMF will speed healing.
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desertwind
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Thanks Carol in PA; I have some in my box of magic tricks and will take them.
lpkayak; I agree - less the better. Please check in and post how everything goes once you are tucked in back at home after your procedure.
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DW, so glad you trusted your instincts and visited your dentist. It is disturbing that someone with such good credentials can miss something so common. I hope you make a good recovery.
Lpkayak, good luck today! I am going to be getting a lot of dental work done in the near future. I totally understand your anxiety. Please keep us posted. Posts: 2386 | From New England | Registered: Aug 2011
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lpkayak
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Im home and ok so far. They filled one and pulled one. Hope i have an ez recovery.
How r u today desertwind?
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desertwind
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Good news lpkayak! I hope you heal well and be sure to take it extra easy. Are you on abx.'s? Did they give you pain meds?
I am still way better after getting the dry socket packing. Pain creeping back in a bit but I go back to my dentist later today for her to replace it with more clove oil stuff. Thanks for asking.
Tooth pain is just the worst!
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He said take my normal ibu and neurontin and call if i need more
Its not bleeding much but the novacine is wearing off
It feels like parasites squiggling around...bu i know its probably just the wearing off
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Desertwind, I am appalled that your surgeon missed it! I don't really understand how that could happen since it was literally right in front of him. And so interesting that the solution is clove oil. I was going to suggest ozone injected in there.
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Dentist will use same stuff clove oil. The best for tooth pain.
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desertwind
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Thank you for the tip. I had my general dentist replace the packing yesterday but I will buy the toothache stuff in case it falls out over the weekend. My general dentist has been wonderful and said to call if I need anything.
Clove oil really does help!
I too am appalled that the oh so great oral surgeon missed this! I went in twice in tears of pain and was told I was healing great, pain normal and no dry socket - oh yeah and keep taking 10 mg. of Percocet every 6 hours! Are you kidding me?
I am not letting him off the hook and continue to call him everyday until I get an explanation. He dismissed my pain and symptoms and needs to be accountable. Makes me wonder what else he missed?
Still have some nerve pain and will hop on neurontin. Nothing is ever simple. Honestly? Last year I had a cranioplasty to have a titanium plate drilled into my freakin skull and that was LESS painful than this with an easier recovery!
Okay, the more I type the more angry and scared I get. Sorry for the rant but this situation really triggered the whole "we don't know what is wrong with you, you don't have lyme disease" 10 year song and dance. Okay....I'll stop for now:).
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Molars are the worse for dry socket because the hole is so large to close after pulling. It had taking 14 days for my dry socket to close and it was 14 days of pain. But clove oil got me through it all.
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quote:Originally posted by desertwind: ...Now you tell me how can a Harvard trained Oral Surgeon miss this? I have been in to see him twice in the past week with these symptoms and presentations but he missed it. How does that happen?
OMG, Desertwind! I don't understand the negligence here. Maybe your previous OS just wants money for pulling teeth and that's it, bye bye patients. You can always give him/her a bad review.
I hope you are feeling better now. Hang in there! :)
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These are high-quality interviews I've done as the founder of my non-profit (The Arthroplasty Patient Foundation) in the last five years with various experts on dental health, Lyme disease, etc.
In short, our doctors & dentists are poorly trained in diagnosing and treating chronic bacterial infections -- which is of course absolutely insane.
Their lack of training contributes to our suffering. It really is nuts.
Anyway, keep asking around for dentists that are more trained in biofilms. Also see:
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desertwind
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Thanks for all the info. and I will watch the biofilm YouTube video. I do not want to keep putting out thousands of $$$%% on dental work that just makes a bad situation worse.
Well Dr. Harvard is going to refund me my money - period. I'm not a freakin cry baby - you could see my exposed bone for goodness sake!
I have zero trust in doctors anymore. Yet I know I need more dental work done to clear out some old toxic stuff.
The clove oil is very strong and makes my whole body smell like a clove but thankfully works well.
I really appreciate everyone's feedback.
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