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tickalert
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I had tooth #31 extracted 12-5-14 along with dental bone grafting for teeth 29,30,31, and two lower teeth on the right side that had been previously extracted also had grafting done.

I developed a dry socket and have had an almost non stop infection from the extracted tooth for at least the last few weeks.

I've taken Zithromax and Flagyl pretty consistently since the surgery and still have a bad taste in my mouth from the extraction site.

He couldn't give me a different antibiotic due to my previous history of C Diff.

My plan is to get Zirconium dental implants.

I see the surgeon tomorrow and still have a tremendous amount of pain.

Does anyone known anything I can take to help facilitate the healing process?

My surgeon thinks maybe the bone graft didn't take which I hope isn't the case since I've been in a lot of pain since December 5.

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This should not be construed as medical advice as I am not a doctor but this is what I would do:

Homeopathic Symphytum officianalis to knit bone. Low potency like 6c OR 6x three times a day for 5 days and then I would assess how things were going.

For pain I would look at some other remedies but I don't know what you do to make it feel better and what makes it feel worse so until I know that I can't choose a remedy.

For venting foul pus I would go with homeopathic
Hepar sulph 30c, up to three times daily. I'd space out doses with improvement of pain and with a decrease in foul infected taste. That is a good pain remedy-so that may be all I would need.

I'd let herbal Calendula tincture (HerbPharm has it),
10 drops diluted in about 1/4 cup water, sit in the mouth to clean up in there. I understand that one is trying to get a clot on the area so I would not vigorously swish. I'd let it just fall out of my mouth into the sink after letting the area soak a bit.

Tooth pain is agony. I am so sorry you are going through this!

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If Doc Dave was still around the forum, he might have some ideas. Might try to pm him, in case he reads, but does not post. Or maybe he has his pm set to go to email.

Then again, he is retired and has not practiced in a while, I think, so maybe he will not know anything about newer dental things.

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So sorry for you, tickalert.

Hasn't the dentist prepared some sort of homeopathic remedy against infection? I took 5 teeth off, all got cavitations.

My lyme doctor said that if one does not clean the bone (cavitation) well, serious problems can happen. I hope your dentist knows how to clean the whole bone infection well.

My lyme doc takes off teeth of many of his patients (I mean, he follows the extraction at the surgeon). So far, no one needed antibiotics, with very rare exceptions. He's been doing that for about a decade, every month or every two months, he takes patients for extraction.

He uses the extracted teeth to prepare nosodes from them, and you start taking such nosodes from day of extraction, for 4 weeks. I took 5 teeth off, fully infected.

These homeopathic nosodes are very easy to do, amazingly easy. I never took any antibiotic, and never got a problem with infections from extraction.... Just got tired on the first day.

If you have the teeth with you, in drinking alcohol solution, you can prepare at home yourself.

I don't know what to recommend you. I hope your dentist have enough experience with lyme patients, with compromised immunity.

I use infrared the day of the extraction, pulsed in Nogier frequencies, to get over pain on the day of extraction (I can sleep without any pain killers).

Day 2, the pain is practically gone (except if I take too cold or too hot water). It takes a few days for that hot/cold sensibility to disappear. In about a week, I feel nothing special, I can usually already even brush the area lightly with the toothbrush.

So the infection going on is not a good sign. Are you treating the wounds (I mean, seeing your dentist often after extraction?)

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No homeopathic remedy. It was hard enough to find a surgeon little alone one to put a remedy together.

I wish I could've found one to do that.

Brussels did you have bone grafting done too?

I've talked to Doc Dave before...it's been a long time.

Lookup I tried Arnica which helped and Advil which I hate taking.

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The other remedies pick up where Arnica left off.


One could make a nosode from the tooth but it

would take grinding it for 3 hours in a mortar

with a pestle in milk sugar and then diluting and

succussing it afterwards. I have to think

maybe the dentist was counting on the bacteria

on the outside of the tooth to make the nosode instead?

In that case, he must have put the infected tooth

or teeth in an water/alcohol solution and

continued on with the rest of the nosode

preparation protocol OR

he prepared the nosode with a bio-resonance

instrument...that's kind of what I am thinking

the dentist might have done. Yes--that would

make the most sense.

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I'm getting a tooth pulled tomorrow at a holistic dentistry. They put their patients on transfer factor multi immune. for pain, I don't know.

Hope your pain goes away, as well as the infection. So sorry for this additional stress.

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For the pain go get this at CVS.

http://www.cvs.com/shop/personal-care/oral-care/oral-pain-relievers/red-cross-toothache-complete-medication-kit-skuid-146163

Is perfect for dry socket pain and will take it away in seconds.I know from experience with extractions.

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tick alert...

how are you doing?

what I take during and after extraction is:
arnica 30X , drops, 3-4 times a day for about 10-12 days,

staphisangria 20X in pellets, 3 times a day for 10 days

tooth nosodes 1X (he prepares a bio-resonance (radionic) nosode in the office. I take the tooth home in an alcoholic solution and prepare my own nosodes later just because I trust more homeopathic nosodes than radionic.

Most patients use the radionic solution for 30 days. I use it at first, then change to my own homeopathic dilutions I prepare at home, if I am not too lazy.

I never did bone grafting, but I know people that did. It is complicated, specially older people.

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Look up,

nice to see someone else who has interest in homeopathy. I didn't grind the tooth, but just got it smashed from the dentist. But I also got the granuloma (the whole tissue with infection) in the alcoholic solution.

I let it sit for at least 10 days in the alcohol, before preparing my own nosodes. Meanwhile, i use his radionic nosode. Dr. K also uses such radionic nosodes, as they are easy to do.

Yes, definitively, arnica seems to help when one does extraction. But my doctor uses it combined with staphisangria, quite successfully, to avoid complications after surgery.

With these 3 substances, he can avoid about 99.9 % of complications. but as I said above, the cavitation has to be anyway very well cleaned (mechanically).

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Brussels- love your posts. Feel free to PM - we can chat homeopathy [Smile] My back ground is registered nurse and classical homeopath, radionics and rife instrumentation, muscle testing. I really never use radionics as I would rather have the real remedy. But it is nice to have a radionics system
in a pinch. What radionics number did you dial in?
Thanks!

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My bio dds put me on arnica and quercitin bromelein. Also still on Transfer Factor. I also got a prescription for vicodin, which I ended up taking 3. I'm also supposed to be putting ozone olive oil on it but it made me sick yesterday.

I'm on day 3 now and feel reasonably good, though I took 4 advil before I went to bed last night.

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I hope tickalert is doing well... Someone heard of him /her?

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Jackie, hope you are still doing fine!!! Crossing my fingers for you!!

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Lookup, thanks! Nice to know you have such a nice background!

How do you feel rife helps in comparison with homeopathy?

I mean, you meant, classical homeopathy. I suppose you do much more than classical though (I mean, few classical homeopaths use radionics, at least, the guys I know basically only use homeopathy and many are even against nosodes...).

I have a radionic device that uses no electricity and you dial it by its homeopathic number (like potency X, C, M and so on, then you add a number, 1, 3, 5, 6, 12, whatever you want).

I don't say it doesn't work, as I do think it does work. But I'm like you, I would swear by my homeopathic dilutions, but I can't swear by this radionic device.

Radionics don't last very long, while my homeopathics last like forever. that is what makes me skeptic.

The lyme doc does a X1 (D1) radionic setting with the tooth and infected tissue. I suppose it would be anti ethic to use that small dilution of infected tissue as homeopathic dilution. I don't mind, as long as the tissue comes from my own body, but I suppose many people would find that disgusting.

I then test energetically and produce my own homeopathic by hand, unless it is something like 100 or 200 C. Up to 30 X or 30C, I do it by hand. For higher dilutions, I'm too lazy, then I use my radionic device.

How about you? Do you also produce your own nosodes?

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Brussels-Homeopathy has the possibility of improving the terrain to decrease susceptibility and it is great for acutes. My remedies are from homeopathic pharmacies.

Radionics- I just don't have faith in it even though I have an instrument. It is interesting though. I'd like to take the gadget apart to see what is inside of it. Somehow I have the feeling it is just a piece of foam! haha I would like to play around with it on MYSELF- but I always forget I have it! I will always use a homeopathic remedy from a pharmacy instead.

I never looked at Rife until the Lyme situation. The Rife is portable, non-toxic and is another tool in the tool box. I bought a Rife that is 110/220 volt and came in a carry-on luggage case for travel. There are so many ways to get well [Smile]

I appreciate your posts.

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