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poppy
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Well, they say antibiotic prescribing is causing this, but then they also say people are getting this in healthcare settings such as hospitals. Are all of these people being prescribed abx? What is the connection?
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One connection is so many people taking PPI's .. at least that is what I've read.
Being on them long term makes it really easy for something like c.diff to take hold. Scares me because my gut is a mess!!
My mother in law died from c.diff about 2 years ago. She got a severe UTI and sepsis. After they treated her for that, she got the c.diff. I think she lasted about 6 months.
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Keebler
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- TuTu,
Sorry to hear about your mother in law. So sad for so many. -
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Keebler
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- Well, Wiki is not the sole place to find detail but it really can be a good start (and they usually do provide citations to refer to the source article). I don't feel like copying and pasting but if you go Wiki's page on this, it says that
transmission can be higher in hospital for various factors, 3 of which are:
fecal transmission (not in article but this can be in, oh, so many ways esp. with shared toilets & when some patients may be physically impaired or unsteady on their feet & with motor skills)
use of acid reducing Rx &
the use of antibiotics
helpful pondering, by some, they say: saccharomyces boulardii is mentioned higher up in the article
but - get this:
the IDSA is against use of probiotics for c. diff - they say there is a risk in probiotics . . .
and that probiotics are not something hospitals consider of use
Oh, my. How is that not negligence?
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The IDSA and hospitals need to get their act together. They absolutely allow people to DIE due to their negligence.
Giving people antibiotics and NO PROBIOTICS, not even s.boulardii is really really stupid.
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Keebler
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- Toilet spray when flushing.
I wonder if that's been investigated as a very likely source of spreading not just c. diff but so many other bad microbes.
Toilet spray can travel for at least 20 feet into the air in such a very fine mist. Kind of like Godzilla sneezing from the wrong end. -
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True.. in hospitals you can't put the lid down.
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Keebler
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- And today's headlines are all about "antibiotic overuse" causing this. They never think about the other factors, particularly
why when someone is given antibiotics they are not informed by the family doctor or even the ID specialists about the utmost importance of also taking various probiotics,
diet to prevent & manage candida issues, too --
and addressing other avenues so that proton pump inhibitors are not required since they seem to be a large part of the problem, too.
And, about diet. If doctors were to understand and help patients with the epidemic of adrenal fatigue we have, all those grabbing for sugar just to get through their day could avoid a lot of trouble.
As long as we have the kinds of stress and complete lack of awareness of fatigue issues and lack of support to address those, sugar / processed "food" products sometimes really are the only thing that pushes some folks through the work day.
And you'd think doctors might also be able to put their heads together to help design public toilets that don't spray into the air that any person breathes. And remind everyone at home to "put the lid down" even if c. diff. is not an issue with them. It can keep them & family members stronger.
Still, the idea that we require sterile environments is just not where a focus should be. Sure, we can be sure not to contaminate our environments yet being strong on the inside is our best protection. And probiotics are a major key to that.
There is so much more to consider of course but it just seems they are not interested in looking at all the variables. They just want to blame it on antibiotics, not that no one is getting a full list of instructions. -
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Be careful of s. Boullardi, it caused me a severe yeast problem. They are now finding this to be the case. I have c diff but can never take s boullardi again. I have a systemic yeast problem that is diflucan resistant and there are few other good treatment options.
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Keebler
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- blinkie,
thanks for your note about saccharomyces boulardii. I did not do well with it (Florastor) but took it mostly as a protective measure. Not at all right for my body & backed right off, though, so glad to see you point this out.
What other kinds of probiotics might you have taken then to help?
Somehow, the good bacteria in our gut needs attention but, as you point out, that can vary. A complex matter just got more complex so how else to restore good gut bacteria. The good guys have to be reintroduced some how, right ?
Maybe each person needs a test to see the lay of the land / gut - and individualized treatment to recolonize. Fermented foods may be something and - maybe - they could do whatever it is that a body might need in that regard? Just wondering.
As you say you have diflucan-resistant systemic fungal infection . . . wonder if OLE might be of help? The Seagate OLE sure was excellent for me when diflucan become too hard on my liver.
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That's scary, blinkie! I've even heard negative things about Prescript Assist lately.
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- I had no idea . . . I knew not all probiotics are the same - and that quality can certainly vary but this seems to be much more of an issue than I thought.
What a belly to do to reach that zone of balance? -
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