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LisaK
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amazing and inspiring! Bees are amazing and there IS hope!!!

http://gizmodo.com/how-a-bee-sting-saved-my-life-1693295289

"Ellie Lobel was 27 when she was bitten by a tick and contracted Lyme disease. And she was not yet 45 when she decided to give up fighting for survival."


"Ellie Lobel was 27 when she was bitten by a tick and contracted Lyme disease. And she was not yet 45 when she decided to give up fighting for survival."

" "Nothing was working any more, and nobody had any answers for me," she says. "Doctors couldn't help me. I was spending all this cash and was going broke, and when I got my last test results back and all my counts were just horrible, I knew right then and there that this was the end."

"I had outlived so many other people already," she says, having lost friends from Lyme support groups, including some who just couldn't take the suffering any more. "I didn't care if I was going to see my next birthday. It's just enough. I was ready to call it a life and be done with it."

So she packed up everything and moved to California to die. And she almost did.

Less than a week after moving, Ellie was attacked by a swarm of Africanised bees.

Ellie was in California for three days before her attack. "I wanted to get some fresh air and feel the sun on my face and hear the birds sing. I knew that I was going to die in the next three months or four months. Just laying there in bed all crumpled up… It was kind of depressing."

At this point, Ellie was struggling to stand on her own. She had a caregiver on hand to help her shuffle along the rural roads by her place in Wildomar, the place where she had chosen to die.

She was just standing near a broken wall and a tree when the first bee appeared, she remembers, "just hitting me in the head". "All of a sudden – boom! – bees everywhere."

Her caregiver ran. But Ellie couldn't run – she couldn't even walk. "They were in my hair, in my head, all I heard was this crazy buzzing in my ears. I thought: wow, this is it. I'm just going to die right here."

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Abxnomore
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Bee venom therapy was used years ago when I was still sick, tho I don't think they were Africanized bees. I had a friend who would get the bees from a local producer tho unfortunately it did not help him get well.

Interesting story tho. Thanks for posting it.

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does anyone have experience with bvt? does it cause herxing like abx?

Probably pretty dangerous though...

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I don't but I remember this friend I mentioned used to pick one up with a special tweezer and then tap it on his arm so it would sting him. I was like wow, that's crazy. It didn't work for him but he did it a long time ago. Maybe they have better was of doing it now.
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Someone sent this link to me on FB.

One thing I don't understand: how come she didn't have an allergic reaction to the bee stings, considering her prior anaphylactic reaction?

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LisaK
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beaches, maybe it was "just what the dr ordered".... in other words a Godsend.

maybe something protected her from dying, like some thing askew in her system from all the tick disease that changed her allergy or protected her from overdosing on the venom? or her guardian angel? who knows. how could they ever know I suppose.

I think I would try this if it were readily available to me right now. and I find the youth-giving factor very interesting. especially since I have noticed a big drop in my skin firmness this last year. [Wink]

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I know this is supposed to be uplifting, but I just found it totally depressing...how far this would be from use in actual treatment, hearing Dr. S saying how the abx don't work, etc...
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LisaK
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WP, I am thinking it was just her time. her time to have that happen to her. to change HER life. I am still waiting for my big life changer to happen.

I hope it's a good one!

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I am glad to read that Dr. Sapi is researching this.

As she mentioned, it isn't clear if the effects are due to the immune stimulation, direct kill of bacteria, or both.

My question is whether it takes that initial "multiple sting" (attack) dose prior to the subsequent, ongoing "sting protocol" she describes to be effective...

My guess would be that it does...

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Just stumbled upon this today. BBC is both my window to the world and my escape

(men up on the roof, pounding, sawing . . . oh, my, from my cave that is not very soundproof at all -- noise cancelling muffs not great with all that vibration from equipment -- but this caught my attention)

Very reassuring to see that such a good organization as the BBC has picked this up, too. EVA SAPI's research discussed here, too.

I'm not at all sure I could have survived the number of stings as she did, though so glad she certainly did.

I have heard of some NDs giving bee "shots" and one person in my state is doing rather well with these.

This article has some of the same wording yet seems an abbreviation of the one posted to start off the thread. I just can't read long enough to match up if they are identical or different.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150327-how-a-bee-sting-saved-my-life

‘How a bee sting saved my life’

-By Christie Wilcox

BBC FUTURE - [email protected] | 27 March 2015
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LisaK
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keebler, here is some info fro the article you posted- it is more in depth then the one I found.

"Melittin does not only cause pain. In the right doses, it punches holes in a cell’s protective membranes, causing cells to explode. At low doses, melittin associates with the membranes, activating lipid-cutting enzymes that mimic the inflammation caused by heat. But at higher concentrations, and under the right conditions, melittin molecules group together into rings creating large pores in membranes, weakening a cell’s protective barrier and causing the entire cell to swell and pop like a balloon.


Because of this, melittin is a potent antimicrobial, fighting off a variety of bacteria and fungi with ease. But its power doesn’t stop there. Scientists hope it could fight diseases ranging from HIV to cancer, arthritis and multiple sclerosis.

For example, researchers at the Washington University School of Medicine in St Louis, Missouri, have found that melittin can tear open HIV’s protective membrane without harming human cells. This envelope-busting method also stops the virus from having a chance to evolve resistance. “We are attacking an inherent physical property of HIV,” Joshua L Hood, the lead author of the study, said in a press statement. “Theoretically, there isn’t any way for the virus to adapt to that. The virus has to have a protective coat.” Initially envisioned as a prophylactic vaginal gel, the hope is that melittin-loaded nanoparticles could someday be injected into the bloodstream, clearing the infection. "

it also goes into ,more about Sapi's research. about 3/4 of the way down. very very good news and exciting. not sure all that is in the other writing? can you scroll down, or I can paste here- let me know.

- a great article

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So this is probably going to kill me then? What are the stats? What is the straight talk on this? I have mycoplasma, bartonella, lyme, and mono. So far after seven months of treatment the antibiotics only seem to keep me from getting worse.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to give up treatment, but success stories seem very few and far in-between, and I increasingly hear about people dying.

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That isn't entirely true, my limbs doing what ever they feel like doing has cleared up for the most part. Still, this is so depressing.

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LisaK
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sacredheart, maybe you need to change something?

I was feeling bad on abx, but a lot of my sx did get better- but i had to stop because I ran out of money.

I thought I was going to die, but somehow found another way , and went with tx with herbals and I got so much better. now, I am doing some cleanses and other things and still on a road to wellness, but I feel way better and can do so much more.

I try and keep an open mind , and while there are still many rough days that I feel I want to give up, it's those good days I get now that keep me hopeful.

I do think that I will never be 100% healed. I was too damaged. but, if I can get well enough to work and make a living , that would be great. For now, I try and stay on top of things so nothing gets worse. and the cheapest way possible.

I was on abx for about 6-8 months I think. and then the herbals for about a year. it is a long road, I know. I used to think why am I not better faster? but now I see that for how sick I was/am - for over 17 years, how can I expect for it all to go away in a year or 2? this is teaching me patience for sure, haha.

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