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Take this stuff with a grain of salt. Much of it is based on suppositions that are incorrect, or implying causation just because there is a correlation. Often there's little to suggest the truth in the conclusions drawn and many of them are rather obtuse.
While its true there are conspiracies in this world and members of humankind have done horrific things, that doesn't mean that everything printed on the topic is true, especially the more obtuse and illogical ones (ie "elites" and shadowy cabals have to breathe as well and enjoy the same atmosphere. Its illogical to provide an aerosol dispersant of harmful chemicals, especially that high in the atmosphere. You'll without a doubt have a negative effect on yourself and those you care about) . Lets not forget there is also such a thing as creating strawman arguments and providing disinformation to cause dissent...
I urge you to be careful and take things with a grain of salt. Do your own research. I say this for your own well being as well as for the role it plays in the Lyme community.
I've seen an unfortunate number of community members go deep into the "conspiracy" rabbit hole, so to speak. Given what we know about the whole situation with ILADS vs IDSA, Lyme and tick borne illness diagnostic criteria, as well as some other situations in our world (ie food supply issues etc..) it is understandable to question the common narratives - that "all GMOs are perfectly safe and don't have to be labeled", that "artificial colors and sweeteners are good for you" etc...
There is viable science to provide counter arguments to these assertions and lets keep in mind that in all the aforementioned example "conspiracies" the plot and rationale behind it is relatively simple - greed and hubris. People poised to make a fortune selling something, either choose to believe it is not harmful or outright ignore evidence to the contrary, fabricating their own "proof" that meets their end. No different than how fossil fuel industries fund "independent studies" that claim - surprise! - climate change cannot be effected by man and certainly not by the burning of fossil fuels!
These simple justifications are very different from (and this is a literal theory that I've heard from adherents who completely believe it and have webpages posting all the supposed proof) those that say "The leaders of the world, including fossil fuel companies, are or are controlled by 'reptile-human hybrids/alien races' that want to continue climate change to a hotter environment more CO2 heavy, that favors their species. Society's elites tend to have some "reptoid" bloody/heritage and this is their secret mission to create a new world order" .
Now - which is more likely and has more supporting evidence? Rich people who stand to profit and are unethical enough to want to do so at any cost to others and the world at large, use their wealth and power to fabricate justification for their aims? Or that they're all secretly lizardmen with a trans-galactic agenda to make Earth their new homeworld and change its environment to suit them?
Lyme, and other chronic illness patients have fought against prejudice that the issue is psychosomatic. Thankfully, we've made great strides and we've done so by being mature and scientifically rigorous in providing support for our ideas. When those outside the community are introduced to members of the community who favor some of these less viable theories, it hurts our credibility. That is to say, if someone claims they are sick because the government is dropping nanomachines from the sky to keep them ill, or a similarly tenuous premise, and then asserts all of the very reasonable things we know about ILADS, the CDC dianostic criteria etc... the audience will be less likely to listen to any of it! At best, they'll consider the person to be suffering from a paranoid mental illness, possibly caused by their physical illness, at worst it will give credence to those who assert that chronic Lyme and associated infections are "all in the head"!
As a community who is fighting to show that our principles for diagnosis, treatment, and disease process are scientifically viable, having individuals who appear "off the deep end" works against us. There's another major forum that hosts chronic illness discussion boards, that has threads and boards about "alien abduction" and "New World Order Implants", right next to legitimate illnesses. This kind of stuff harms our progress as a community.
I am not saying that there aren't common narratives that aren't incorrect, cover-ups don't happen, or conspiracy doesn't have its place in history, but just remember to keep yourself grounded when investigating these assertions around the Internet.
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I see your point.
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I don't know what's going on... maybe it's smog and global warming simply from fossil fuels. But, has anyone noticed a difference in the sky from 15 years ago? In my area anyways, even on a "clear" day, the sky is always hazy anymore.
And, the difference in weather patterns is just as startling in the last 10 years. Our area used to get frequent thunderstorms in the summer. A number of those would be severe. We rarely get a thunderstorm anymore, and almost never get a severe one. The sky IS changing.
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I lived for years in Australia. We came back a few years ago to the US. I noticed the skies in the US were always milky and had white stripes. I thought, "Well, maybe I just don't remember things correctly." Eight months later I finally found out what those stripes were/are. It is geoengineering. It is real and it is poisoning any and everything. It is anti-life. I have been keeping tabs on Australian skies too. They have started doing it there too. This is an assault on all living things. It is not ok.
It needs to stop.
They have even put these geoengineering trails into cartoons. Now, tell me - WHY is that?
geoengineeringwatch.org - Dane Wiggington has really done some serious homework. Totally legit and grounded site. I also read Steve1906's sites, a while ago too, and found them interesting.
The skies here are so bad today. I can see the geoengineering cocktail right down to the ground.
They were up there spraying in the night and the night before (and also all day long- as if THAT isn't more polluting than cows farting and women using hairspray or even everyday traffic, then I don't know what is. How much fuel does it take to fill up all of these tankers that fly 24/7 and dump coal ash, mixed with barium, strontium and other pollutants, all over the globe?! A nice way for coal plants to get rid of coal ash that is expensive for them to dispose of. Same with fluoride. It is waste from aluminum production. Fluoride is toxic but not if you add it to drinking water! Right.(sarcasm) I hope we are getting to the point where we can stop believing that the government really cares so much about our teeth! LOL, Wow, how naive have we been!).
Annnd, this geoengineering is where we get "thunder snow" from. Everyone accepts "thunder snow" as normal. No! This is from all the metals they spray in the sky. Notice what you notice.
All of these metals (even nano-sized metals--that takes some work to make! Gee, I wonder why that can be done when there isn't any money to fill up pot holes that are everywhere.) are weakening immune systems and plugging up enzyme pathways. We should all be wearing NIOSH 100 masks and how sad is that? It's a damn shame and crime against humanity.
I am here to testify that the skies used to be blue kids. Yep, blue skies. It was beautiful.
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We still have blue skies here where I live, in Switzerland.....
I guess we are having these spraying too, but no one talks about that, that I know...
I wonder what kind of experiment is going on.
Maybe it is not a conspiracy, but then, where are these heavy metals in water and soil coming from?? Heavy metals are mainly inside the earth's crust. How come barium and aluminium are found in amazing high amounts in rivers or streams?
I saw once a report about these heavy metals on top of pristine mountains!?? I can't remember where I saw that, it was long ago. I found it was such a funny and extraordinary thing, but if they are being sprayed in the air, they will fall on top of mountains too.
I'm just posting that, because if this is true, lyme is just a small part of what we all have to fight. With a toxic body, no way to get out of chronic lyme, nor any chronic infections.
What kind of clouds are these black stuff? Is it the effect of the camera? I've NEVER seen such a sky in my life, and you bet I traveled and live in 3 continents!! If not a camera defect or effect, I do agree that this sky looks crazy!
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quote:Originally posted by lookup: I lived for years in Australia. We came back a few years ago to the US. I noticed the skies in the US were always milky and had white stripes. I thought, "Well, maybe I just don't remember things correctly." Eight months later I finally found out what those stripes were/are. It is geoengineering. It is real and it is poisoning any and everything. It is anti-life. I have been keeping tabs on Australian skies too. They have started doing it there too. This is an assault on all living things. It is not ok.
It needs to stop.
They have even put these geoengineering trails into cartoons. Now, tell me - WHY is that?
geoengineeringwatch.org - Dane Wiggington has really done some serious homework. Totally legit and grounded site. I also read Steve1906's sites, a while ago too, and found them interesting.
The skies here are so bad today. I can see the geoengineering cocktail right down to the ground.
They were up there spraying in the night and the night before (and also all day long- as if THAT isn't more polluting than cows farting and women using hairspray or even everyday traffic, then I don't know what is. How much fuel does it take to fill up all of these tankers that fly 24/7 and dump coal ash, mixed with barium, strontium and other pollutants, all over the globe?! A nice way for coal plants to get rid of coal ash that is expensive for them to dispose of. Same with fluoride. It is waste from aluminum production. Fluoride is toxic but not if you add it to drinking water! Right.(sarcasm) I hope we are getting to the point where we can stop believing that the government really cares so much about our teeth! LOL, Wow, how naive have we been!).
Annnd, this geoengineering is where we get "thunder snow" from. Everyone accepts "thunder snow" as normal. No! This is from all the metals they spray in the sky. Notice what you notice.
All of these metals (even nano-sized metals--that takes some work to make! Gee, I wonder why that can be done when there isn't any money to fill up pot holes that are everywhere.) are weakening immune systems and plugging up enzyme pathways. We should all be wearing NIOSH 100 masks and how sad is that? It's a damn shame and crime against humanity.
I am here to testify that the skies used to be blue kids. Yep, blue skies. It was beautiful.
Completely agree 100%!
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OMGosh, another stupid thing for me to think about!!!
I know chemtrails are bad. I live near airports. and the hospital right down the street has a medivac that flies nonstop on the weekends. ugh.
AND don't even get me started on how they and other hospitals burn their trash!!!!!!!!! yes, that lovely plastic and styrofoam and all those toxic things float in the air and land on the grass the cows eat and then we eat the cows. or plants, or whatever- it gets into everything we eat.
and if you don't think your hospital does this , open your shades at night because that is when they do it to hide their dirty secret!!!!
not to mention the hormone disrupting this all does!
Negative Impacts of Incineration-based Waste-to-Energy Technology:
... and also from chemtrails and burning trash: Endocrine Disruptors -Endocrine disruptors are chemicals that may interfere with human hormones. "The human endocrine system is responsible for controlling and coordinating many body functions, including the production of hormones. The human endocrine system includes the pancreas, pituitary, thyroid, adrenal, and male and female reproductive glands.
Endocrine disruptors interfere with the production, release, transport, metabolism, or elimination of the body’s natural hormones. They can mimic naturally occurring hormones, potentially causing overproduction or underproduction of hormones. They may also interfere or block the way natural hormones and their receptors are made or controlled.
Endocrine disruptors include dioxins, PCBs, DDT, and some other pesticides. Suspected endocrine disruptors include phytoestrogens and fungal estrogens, the herbicide atrazine, phenols such as bisphenol A (BPA), and plasticizers such as phthalates. Many products and industrial processes use and release several naturally–occurring heavy metals that affect hormone actions and reproduction, including arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury" http://toxtown.nlm.nih.gov/text_version/chemicals.php?id=65
ugh, now you got me started! I am already having one of THOSE days today. haha. it's always good for a refresher, ready or not, I see now how a lot of my lingering issues are from sources other than ticks! thanks for the reminder!!!
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I guess you will have more plastic in food, drinks (if you drink bottled liquids) and clothes than through air! All our food is stored in plastics.
But surely, burning medical garbage is the last thing to do...
This world is crazy. Besides EMRs, all over, heavy metals, infections, dirt, now sprayed toxins, bio toxins, heavy metals.
You bet that we are going to an end, I mean, life as it is today. NOt only humans. I wonder what kind of beasts will survive. The ticks and some insects are happy, it seems.
But some others, like bees, my Gosh, they are in much bigger trouble than us. I didn't know but the US has no more bees, I mean, you guys import our bees for polinization of fruits!!
But I can assure you, they are dying here too. In great numbers. Even bio farmers now start to say so. Before, mostly, was only conventional bee farming that was mostly affected. Friends who raise them are reporting more and more losses, every year. Some mite are attacking whole colonies.
A local university said it was due to electrosmog, they get lost and weak.
Another study said it is probably a type of pesticide, that even in low amounts, affect bee health.
Whatever the bees are having, we are all in it. Spraying nice deadly chemicals in nature will not save them. What could we do against that all, besides complaining and spreading these news?
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yeah, cockroaches and ticks will all be left.
God help us all
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I don't really have an opinion about whether chemtrails are real or not.
Some things I just choose not to worry about. There are way too many things in the world that are not good for us, but you can't worry about all of them.
I tend to focus on the blue skies which I still see plenty of, the birds chirping, the flowers blooming etc.
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HIker53 said, "I tend to focus on the blue skies which I still see plenty of"
Hmm, I think I will move to where you live.
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Hiker, that is a positive attitude, I agree.
The only problem is when the issue becomes so big that it comes stabbing you from behind, and you can't ignore it anymore.
A bit like lyme disease. It may start slow, you try to ignore it, being positive, until the disease takes your energy and you may not live normally anymore. You gotta look into it, then.
Same as with EMRs. You may ignore them, till you are unable to sleep, to function...
I suppose some areas are more sprayed than others... Anyway, we'd rather be informed than ignorant, just in case.
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