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TNT
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I've used glucosamine with condroiton & MSM in the past, but was wondering if people have used/know of better products.

I'm working on the infections, but really need to try to rebuild my joints. They are pretty well gone, so I don't know if there is much hope, but I need some good suggestions to at least try!

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Forms of silica? It's for all connective tissues. Biosil is one of the products. Also in diatomaceous earth and horsetail extract - can make a tea from the latter one.
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Fish oil might help lubricate the joints and reduce inflammation.

Moving to Medical Questions for more help.

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My ortho says cosamin ds. Its in purple and white box

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TNT
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I have often wondered about hyaluronic acid. Has anyone used that?

I think it only lubricates and cushions. Not sure if it would help rebuild.

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Natural remedies for joint health

•The Chinese medicine herb Tienchi Ginseng is traditionally used to invigorate the blood and to assist in the dispersal of stagnant blood and the resolution of inflammation, bleeding, trauma, swelling and pain. This herb may be of assistance to decrease inflammation, encourage better circulation and nutrients to the area and improve range of movement.

•Magnesium is needed to relieve muscle aches, pains and spasms. Many people are deficient in this important mineral for the nerve and muscles as it declines rapidly due to stress.

•Fish oil contains potent anti-inflammatory ingredients to reduce pain, inflammation and swelling and may also increase circulation to the site of injury.

•Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) powder may be of assistance in reducing pain and inflammation and improve the formation of cartilage and reduce wear and tear on the joint.

•Topical application of warming and circulatory stimulant gels or creams may give some pain relief. A cream which contains natural anti-inflammatory herbs and applied at least 3-4 times each day.

•Herbs which have a direct anti-inflammatory effect on the musculo-skeletal system and may be taken internally are: White willow bark, Boswellia, Ginger, Turmeric, Cayenne, Eucommia, Acanthopanax and Devils Claw.

•Reduce free radicals by taking an anti-oxidant supplement containing Zinc, Vitamin C, B Vitamins, Vitamin A & E, CoEnzyme Q10 and Selenium to reduce the amount of damage to the cartilage.

•Take a supplement which contains Glucosamine & Chondroitin as these are important nutrients to reduce further destruction of the cartilage. There are many studies to support the claim of using these joint nutrients long term to help stabilise the joint and rebuild cartilage.

More here>> http://www.askanaturopath.com/faqs/joint-damage-and-cartilage-repair/p/700

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Good info above!

I am re-posting this abstract below on fish oil that I stumbled on a while back. It brings into question the use of fish oil for those already having problems with infectious diseases and inflammation.


Immunol Lett. 1992 Sep;34(1):13-7.
Dietary supplementation with fish oil enhances in vivo synthesis of tumor necrosis factor.

Chang HR1, Arsenijevic D, Pechère JC, Piguet PF, Mensi N, Girardier L, Dulloo AG.
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1Department of Genetics and Microbiology, University of Geneva Medical School, Switzerland.

Abstract

Studies reported here investigate the influence of dietary fat types on cytokine production in response to endotoxin (LPS) challenge. Tumor necrosis factor (TNF) serum levels were markedly higher (by 10-fold) in mice fed chronically a diet rich in fish oil rather than either a diet rich in corn or coconut oil or a low fat diet.

This in vivo hyper-responsiveness in LPS-induced TNF production following fish oil consumption concorded with similar exaggerated in vitro TNF release from macrophages exposed to LPS.

These data suggest that high consumption of fish oils, by virtue of their high content of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, can lead to an exaggerated production of mediators of inflammation with potentially adverse consequences on the outcome and severity of infectious diseases.

PMID: 1478702 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Oh, and my original answer, duh me!!! Just got this from a doc the other day on this same topic.

My bones, according to tests, are being used as a teether for spirochetes (my words, not the docs). When bones/joints are being or are damaged they mess up the muscles attached to them.

Taking IntraMin- a liquid combo of minerals that you can buy at docs offices or on internet- would help both situations.

I didn't get any, wanted to, but it costs about $65 per bottle- way too much for my budget.

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Does your MSM glucosamine also have chondroitin? I have a doctor as a client of mine and he swears by chondroitin ... it helped him so much.

Be careful if you have a shellfish allergy ....

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TNT
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Thanks everyone for your help and input. I think I will try some MSM first and then perhaps go back to "the ol' tried and true" trio combination of glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM.

I forgot to mention I have been using some Doctor's Best "Best Collagen Types 1 & 3 Powder" but have not been as consistent as I should be. Powders are always that way with me... pills are easier to pop, but the pill version of that stuff is considerably more expensive for the same dosage.

The Collagen does seem to help a little, even with brain clarity. I suppose that's because of the amino acid composition.

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