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Hi guys, a good friend of mine who had Babesia told me that he cured his Babesia with one dose of Turpentine Gum (I know it sounds a bit crazy but I trust him), and then I found this study proving its effectiveness, at least in cattle:
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Number one - in my opinion absolutely nothing will cure Babesia with just one treatment - not without killing the patient anyway. A one time treatment cure for Babesia makes no medical sense.
Second - I remember reading years ago about someone applying turpentine to their skin - an old timey remedy for lyme - if I remember correctly I think the patient died.
It is possible the remedy might be helpful, but I would suggest thorough research and also to go very slowly in regards to dose.
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- No where does it say is cures babesia, quite the opposite.
Excerpts (read sections for conclusion / discussion / results):
. . . The lack of an in vitro parasiticidal effect and the poor static effect of medicated turpentine,
in combination with the lack of a specific humoral response and a non-specific lymphocytic cellular immune response,
suggest that medicinal turpentine is not a direct anti-babesial compound. . . . -
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- And, besides irritating to anything it touches & to lungs just from the fumes, it's poison / damaging to the liver & kidneys, & it can be fatal.
It cuts paint, for crying out loud, imagine the damage that could do to skin or the inside of one's stomach? It can "melt" and burn skin / tissue.
As for the friend you trust, I'd rethink that relationship as to if he is joking (thinking in fun, perhaps, but unaware of the consequences?)
I think there are a bunch of tricksters or those wishing harm to others writing those "customer" reviews at Amazon. The product listed is:
for thinning oil paints
solvent for paint or wax -
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- There is NO safe way to use turpentine instead of medicine. None. Absolutely zero. Ever.
No safe manner of ingesting, injecting, inhaling it for whatever reason or for using it topically - or in ANY manner. None. Absolutely zero. Ever.
Apparently some on the web are using turpentine, just about in any form, from anywhere. But, some are not - exactly.
As for the sensational language they seem to be using to bait people, calling it turpentine when what they mean - what's it's really about is certain tree essential oils. It's just wrong to use such language and the only reason they do that is to attract those who want to be renegades.
Turpentine and a tree essential oil is not the same thing.
Still there are some very serious concerns with the method of using a tsp. of even good quality pine or cedar essential oil and sugar cubes, as many seem to.
Even a drop of an essential oil ingested can burn unless there are other protective measures.
Beyond the possibility / likelihood of ANY essential oil ingested burning the esophagus, etc. the first question is
What is this sugar hit doing for glucose tolerance? Glucose levels could hit the roof with this technique and then drop like a rock.
Many with MCS can be very seriously ill with exposure to even the aroma / scent of a pine or cedar tree.
Histamine reactions could be very serious, as well.
I get the idea here. I just think there are far - far - safer ways of approaching the issues. And there really are so many good other choices. -
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Hey, I already turned my hair white as snow dispensing drugs to myself (it's slowly returning to brown), so what's a little turpentine.
Seriously, could you find out how your friend took the stuff and how much? One dose? Any bad reactions?
I would just as soon someone else try it first as I feel I've done my part for bad hair.
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The cited study actually says the opposite about turpentine's effectiveness against babesia.
I'm open to the possibility of it having de-worming properties, given it's usage history.
I have a feeling it might kill worms and release other stuff, making you sicker, but... who knows.
Those of you willing to try it for babesia (or anything else) keep us posted.
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- Turpentine might kill you, too. It is a poison.
It could destroy your liver & kidneys for all of your days.
It could cause seizures and all kind of ear & brain damage, too. -
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- When considering alternative / herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .
BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
RIFE MACHINE LINKS . . . and
PARASITE links, too. -
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Thanks for the replies. If this stuff is so dangerous, how come the amazon link I provided in the original post shows over 30 5 star reviews? Are they all fake?
I'm a skeptic by nature myself but with so many people claiming it works and is not harmful [in small doses], how could a product like that exist on Amazon in several forms with glowing reviews?
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- Put your life in the hands of anonymous posts that may or may not have even been written by actual people? And some people DO get paid to write reviews.
There can also be some nefarious action behind some of this, just seeing how far they can take people. Really.
As for YouTube videos, while this mode has been mostly so valuable, still, we can't really know all we need about how these people are really doing. We don't even know if they are really doing what they say.
Many were recorded some time ago. And they are PAID. Anytime there is any kind of advertising shown on the screen, they are getting paid by the ads which have nothing to do with turpentine.
Of course - aside from turpentine - even those who have the very best of grounded and professional YouTube video may have advertising that helps support their work. For those, there are usually so many other ways to research their work and reputation, too.
If alternative methods are to be explored, there are many other ways - safer ways - to do that with professionals who have the education and the expertise in the field of naturopathic medicine and the like.
If pine or cedar essential oil may be of some use - and right for a particular patient - a LL ND would know source, dose, method. They would also know if it would not be right. -
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Put your life in the hands of anonymous posts that may or may not have even been written by actual people? And some people DO get paid to write reviews.
There can also be some nefarious action behind some of this, just seeing how far they can take people. Really.
As for YouTube videos, while this mode has been mostly so valuable, still, we can't really know all we need about how these people are really doing. We don't even know if they are really doing what they say.
- I've looked at this before and just don't believe it is safe. I react to even the best and safest of oils, so no way I will chance it.
Those of us with Lyme & Co. are VERY sensitive to stuff .. and it seems to only get worse if your liver is compromised in any way.
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