Jordana
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According to Armin Labs in Germany, I have three viruses and a response to Lyme, no coinfections and a CD 57 of 60.
I have an appointment with a Lyme doc in January.
But in the meantime the German doctor advised me to get to work treating the viruses at least.
This is what I've got: EBV, CMV and Coxsackie.
This is what I decided to do:
Take Lauricidin, for the EBV Burbur/Pinella for whatever herx wants to show up Smilax as just a general tonic for Lyme
I need to add something to get my NK cells up and I have:
BRM4
and
Transfer Factor on hand.
Which one is safer when you're taking a bunch of other stuff? I feel a little more comfortable with the BRM4 since I've had weird responses to mushroom particles like the ones in Transfer Factor.
I also need to add a viral killer for the coxsackie virus. I have
Oxymatrine
and
Takuna.
I'm afraid to try either one of them with whatever else I am taking, but I need to add at least one of them. I am also thinking about taking Lysine and Inosine, but these are just general antivirals. I don't want to add a pill or substance if I don't have to or it will get confusing.
To all this, I am *considering" taking Cat's Claw. I have a ton of it but I haven't tried it yet, I don't want to end up in the hospital.
Also considering taking Artemisinin for the immune system. I don't think it will do anything to the Lyme, but I'm not sure about taking Cat's Claw and Artemisinin together.
Does anyone have any advice about these combinations?
Eventually it will look like this:
Lauricidin ( antiviral) burbur/pinella ( herx) smilax ( anti-lyme) oxymatrine or takuna, or both. ( antiviral) BRM4 or Transfer Factor, or both. ( immune modulator) Cat's Claw ( anti-Lyme and immune modulator) Artemesinin ( anti-parasitic and immune modulator)
And that's IT. I might add Knotweed because Buhner really likes it and is starting to say it's the most important herb for Lyme.
Please comment, scared/confused and need some guidance.
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- Not sure if you have these yet, but if not,
Be sure to get Buhner's books on lyme and his two on coinfections. He also has one on herbal antivirals.
Even if some of the books don't go into detail about the viruses on your list, he details the herbs exceedingly well.
Then you will feel much better about this. Overall, looks good for herbal approach.
Still: do consider seeing an ILADS educated LLMD and do consider Rx treatment or maybe also learn about a rife machine.
Herbs, alone, may not be enough. Still, herbs are so important on all plans, I think.
Good guide: when starting anything new, start is low and slow. Start it alone, if possible. Don't ramp up too fast.
But there is no need to fear "needing to go to hospital" with what you describe. You may not feel well as there is no treatment for any of this that can really do that, magically, all of the sudden. It's still no walk in the park.
Do not fear Cat's Claw, it may be the best thing to help all the others really work for you. But be clear on if you are taking the real cat's claw or the one that has one substance removed (TOA-free).
They are not the same. -
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- PROBIOTICS should be on board. Take away from Rx or herbs.
Best if you are gluten free, dairy free and eat mostly organic foods / meats / wild fish.
The most important part of any plan is to first have your meal plans in order. And be sure to eat on a regular schedule, a good breakfast that looks more like a dinner. Chicken soup excellent.
Be sure to include snacks of vegetables, nuts, etc. Keep steady glucose levels.
Plan your activity (remember only non-aerobic movement) and plan your rest, too. Seriously.
Avoid big box stores (for so many reasons).
Good luck and take care. -
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Jordana
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Thanks! I did order two of his books and just got his original "Healing Lyme" today. I did get the *actual* Cat's Claw from Montana Farmacy since I think I read the TOA free stuff *stimulates* the spirochetes.
Do you have suggestions for increasing NK cells? When I tried astragalus earlier in the year it made me really sick, but I thought it was because I had an "autoimmune disease" and I was making it worse.
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Jordana
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Keebler, are probiotics necessary even when taking broad spectrum herbals?
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- Yes. Foods can be valuable source, too: sauerkraut, miso (be sure it's gluten free, though, not made with barley in it), etc. -
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- yeah, astragalus is too aggressive for those with chronic lyme. Buhner details that in the book you just received, actually. It's a very Yang herb (hot, stimulating, forceful) and lyme is a very yang infection. Infections = "heat" in Chinese medicine.
We need more YIN herbs (cooler, calming, nourishing) to put out the "fire" and feed our cells
"increasing NK cells?" I'm sure Buhner address that somewhere but all that you will be doing should help. Don't push that.
Just let that happen as a result of all the good stuff. We can't push that. Cat's claw is exceedingly good immune support and that, naturally, will help with all the specifics.
Medical mushrooms, and culinary mushrooms, too. Buhner talks about that in one of his coinfections books.
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- Glad you got the true Cat's Claw. I agree with Buhner about that original form being preferred - actually, the thing they take out {TOA) is what was so valuable for me as it calms the nervous fibers - and that is so needed with lyme.
[Although there are some folks who have found the TOA-free to work for them. I was not one of them, though. Sigh.]
-by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D -
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Jordana
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Thanks...really worried about my NK cells and I wish there was a magic pill to just fix them. I understand what is happening now and it's so much more than an "infection."
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- Indeed, "so much more than just an infection."
This is like being dropped into the last week of a master's program in graduate school - right before the exams - and also a verbal defense of some thesis we should have done. And, in a subject totally removed from all previous studies.
The learning curve is steep. But don't try to run up the hill. One step at a time.
Please do not worry. Instead, give your body the nutrients it needs, the attention to calm infection and your body then has to do its job. You cannot possibly tweak all the functions.
We tend to our body and then our body is better able to do the job. Rather than worry, spend that time & energy on learning new recipes, perhaps.
Rather than "worry" strike that word from your vocabulary for a "hero cape" of sorts and just do something good for your body / brain / spirit. Be in nature, too. THAT is very healing. Celebrate the sky. Sing a song, learn a musical instrument. All this matters in deep ways, too.
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One reader notes: "Conducive to almost all specialty diets out there! GAPS, Paleo, vegetarian, gluten free, dairy free, real food......you name it, you will find a lot on this book for you." -
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- Be sure to get all the plastics, scents and harsh chemicals out of your life, as best possible.
SLEEP is also one of the best things for our immune function. Sleep "Hygiene" detail here:
Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT -
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Jordana
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That was a lovely post and pep talk, thank you.
I have been taking sleep very seriously since I got sick last year. In the beginning I let myself go 14 to 16 hours and more during the day if I needed or wanted it. I didn't know much, but I knew that whatever was trying to kill me was not messing around. Now I have a little more energy, but ten hours at least is the norm.
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Doubting that you should take artemesinin for any length of time. Read up on it before you do.
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Jordana
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Thanks Poppy. I won't start it for a while if at all. I got confused as to how I ended up with it to begin with.
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That was a lovely post and pep talk, thank you. 
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