Topic: smart meters: my elec company says it is giving me an AMR(automatic meter reader)-no
lpkayak
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-not a smart meter
the difference is (they say) "smart meters are capable of two way communication that records energy usage in much more detail they use higher power transmitters and communicate information via a secure network
with AMR meterss we will continue to capture the same information we collect today, only from a greater distance. in addition we are using a much lower signal strength to transmit this data than many everyday appliances including microwave ovens, garage door openers, wireless routers, and cell phones.
more information on Eversource.com Please visit website to learn more -facts about AMR its safety and effectiveness -answers to customers most faq
our special information line is available for answers to your questions or scheduling an appt if needed 844-796-4094 m-f 8-6"
anyone have more info on this? what do you think?
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MichaelTampa
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The distinction between what you are getting and a smart meter might be important to someone interested in protecting the grid from cyber attacks, and protecting your privacy, related to energy usage.
However, both devices send out wireless signals, so from a health standpoint, the distinction is meaningless. There are a variety of devices, that use different strengths and send out signals with varying frequency (every couple seconds, every 30 seconds, ...). This could matter also.
Bottom line, though, these devices are not good for health, period. It may be weaker than those other devices you listed, and if you use those a lot, you perhaps will not notice the difference to your health. Except, note, your meter will run all the time, even during sleep, whereas some who you those other wireless devices may turn them off at night. Good sleep is important, right. For one not using those devices, then the fact that the signal is weaker than those other devices, is probably of little comfort or relevance.
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Don't let them give you an AMR (tell them no for health reasons). A friend of mine was given one and it gave her head pain, and she couldn't sleep at all. She was so miserable that she made them rip it out of her home within 24 hours.
The option is for you to pay for a manual read every month. We pay $13 (we want to live).
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T.y. i cant figure this stuff out. I got the letter a month or so after i told them not to put it in. I have my bedroom farthest from computers and appluances etc...my tri meter even says it has lowest waves from.neighbor wifi etc
They havent been back yet...i dont know when they will come or what my choices are. But thank you so much. I will be ready
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They will come back--- they are forcing this technology on the public-- on top of the Lily waves in the current electrical grid.
I tried to evade a smart meter (next to my bed!!) on a property I have out of state, and the power company was relentless for more than a year. They even knew when I was in town (I don't know how) and sent someone over to my house physically. It was really getting annoying and stalking!
I finally gave up and let them install it. But I purchased a six inch hose clamp at Lowes, and some aluminum screen, I clamped the screen to the meter. And this screen filters out a large amount of the radiation supposedly. I also use an ethernet cable so I don't have to use a WIFI right next to the meter.
Its still very annoying--- on top of the Lily waves through the grid -- big brother wants "all" of us. .
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WakeUp is right, they will come back. It would be good if you contacted them on monday and told them not to put it in. Also follow up with a letter, or they will forget and try again in a few months. A letter will put them on record.
My provider said they no longer make the meters I currently have, so if they take it you are stuck with the new one. Stop it while you still can (call them and a letter too).
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I wonder if they will put it up without my permussion
I might put a sign on the old meter
Someone on here said if you "wallpaper" the inside wall where smart meter is it will prevent waves from coming in house
Id like to know a company i can trust to get shielding prodycts
Thanks everyone for conversation
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lpkayak...
This also happened to me, and I was able to stop it with a letter...get one from your doctor, or write one and have your doctor sign it. Get it to them asap, and be adamant with them about your health...
Another option might be to keep your current manual-read meter, but have the electric company average your bill, so they don't have to come out and read every month. Then, when they come out periodically, they can calculate what you have used, and credit you for any over charges, or bill you accordingly.
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lpkayak
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Ty phoipf
Last night i realized some of my new sensitivites are coming from new...very small air cleaner i bight for small room. I measured emfs with my tri meter and they are off the scale! I have only had it two days and air in that room didnt seem to improve but i had all kinds of new sx all over house. My two big machines make very little emfs. That thing is going babk monday....i hope. Amazon has been good to me so far
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They kept coming back to my house, and once they came by when I had painters working here and I wasn't here.
When I got home, the painters said, oh the electric co came by and put in a smart meter.
The painters had let them in and they installed it! Ugh!
I did not see that one coming.
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lpkayak
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I didnt know they had to cime inside
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Are non-smart-meter digital meters safe? I have a friend who had trouble with the elster analog they replaced her smart-meter with. And pg&e told me that's the only analog they have.
what a nightmare all of this is
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It's not digital vs. analog is the issue, but the ones that send wireless signals that is the biggest issue. Most, if not all digital meters these days, send wireless signals. Perhaps that one does not, but that would be the question. Smart meter is used generically by some to mean anything that sends wireless, but in industry, they are using the term more specifically, so there are some that are not smart meters but that do send wireless.
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lpkayak
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They did something to my water meter awhile ago...i wonder if they made it wireless
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I had no choice. We fought it for a year, but in the end, it was either no power or accept the smart meter. I have a piece of furniture on the wall inside the house where the smart meter is and have lined the furniture with foil.
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lpkayak
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Six did you test with trimeter before and after foil? Do you know for sure foil will work? Im very confused now. I think the problem is they give off the same type of wave as microwave. But when i measue that with my tri meter it does not measure high. Magnetic however is off the scale. And i begangetting a bunch.of sx...some new in the last two weeks since they put it in. Now if i sit at computer-4-5 ' from meter for an hour in the morning i canhardly do anything the rest of the day. I am so spacey...ear stuff, eye stuff, chest pain...severe sob. Im confused now tho becausewht i think should measure high doesnt...yet there is as huge magnetic reading
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lpkayak - your pm box is full
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I also got a huge magnetic reading from my analog meter, much higher than the smartmeter next door, not sure what that means.
For the computer, try checking your electric cords. I just had mine set up at a new place and literally started feeling poorly right after starting to use it.
Turns out the electric fields were very high. I placed some metal screen material over them and it did help, brought the numbers down quite a bit.
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lpkayak
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Ty dogmom. I realized some of my surge protectors are high and some are low
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lpkayak, no, I don't have a meter to test with.
In FL I have a faraday cage curtain on the entire wall where the meter is.
I do feel better with the foil and with the curtain, but that's not really proof they help. Could always be a placebo effect .... but feeling good is the part that matters!
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lpkayak
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Ty six!
A friend who works with elec said bright aluminum screen on inside of house will keep emfs out. Im surprised since screen has holes in it
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The EMF's come in varying frequencies, and based on that, they can make it through different size holes in screens without touching the screen, while they get trapped by screens with smaller holes (assuming screen is made by something that can block the EMF).
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It miggt be easier to attach aluminum foil to screen and then hang screen. Screen made of aluminum
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My faraday cage has silver thread. I got it from Dr. K way back when I had the photon treatment and got a bed cage. I reworked it to be sheer curtains. My understanding is it doesn't reflect the emfs, it absorbs them, which is supposed to be better. That's the entire extent of my understanding.
When I had that curtain in my luggage, TSA inspected it and left a note (they couldn't find what blocked the x-ray because who'd have throught it was a curtain?). And, my phone doesn't work well by the curtain .... it works some because it's only on one wall.
The electric meter is inches from my head down there and I feel nothing. When they put the meter on my house up here, I got a terrible headache within minutes. The foil seemed to disperse that, but I still don't like sitting in that room. I think the curtain works better.
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My smart meter, came with the house when I bought it, is on the back of the house, fenced backyard with locks. So not possible to do a manual read of meter.
Smart meter is near the room I spend a lot of time in during the day but far from bedroom.
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lpkayak
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thank you to all who are helping me. this is not over but i am figuring some things out. some surprise me
modem- high elec but way down when 4 inches away
wifi router-high radio/microwave but way down when 6 inches away
tv magnetic high but way down when 2-3 feet away
powerstrips-high when something plugged in, but way down when 6 inches away...worse with more plugged in but still go down to nothing when 6 inches away
phone unplugged-nothing from elec or radio and a little from magnetic...not dangerous reading
phone plugged in-high elec
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LAPTOP!!! elec is high even when it is turned off. off the chart when it is on i need to get 3 feet away for meter to go down i cant reach keyboard this laptop is about 5 ft from smartmeter and now i think maybe i was measuring laptop and thinking it was smart meter
it is an old laptop...my new notebook doesnt show any elec or radio and just a tiny bit magnetic even when online
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i did read that the smart meters do not give steady signal...it peaks every 20 seconds or so...i wasnt aware of that when i tested it outside so i still have to do that but i cant get it to do that inside
if this is the case wallpapering walls or putting shield on smart meter wont help i think i would need to get an apron to shield me...but with newer notebook having no problem it seems best to stop using laptop. maybe use hard drive for storage or something
i wonder if older devices are worse and newer ones better
i also got a letter of explanation from power company after hanging up on the robot lady trying to explain smart meters to me
it says a lot of nothing but does say this:
signal levels are 1/10th of the maximum permissible exposure levels as defined by the fcc-lower than many everyday appliances and electronic devices around your home, and are only transmitte briefly and periodically rather than constantly
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six...i saw a bunch of products made with silver weaved in...im thinking of getting some...they are really expnsive too so trying to think this thru first my life is controlled by bugs and emfs
ty
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