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Topic: Artemisinin, Mepron, and liver support

LaniMo
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Hi all:

My LLMD has recommended Mepron and pulsed Artemisinin, but I have a bunch of questions:

-Doesn't Artemisinin interact with Mepron (and magnesium, milk thistle, and ALA)?

-What kind of liver support is recommended, if not those above that interact?

-How does Artemisinin differ from Artemsia -- and which is better for Babesia?

-What brand of Artemisinin do you recommend?

FYI: I am also taking the following (not a complete list ...):

Malarone
Doxycycline
Bactrim
Itraconazole
Yeastonil (undecylenic acid)
Prescript Assist Pro- and Prebiotic
Florastor (Saccharomyces boulardii lyo)
Loratadine
Sudafed
Ambien
Low Dose Naltrexone
Welchol

My main symptoms are neck, skull, and shoulder pain; extreme fatigue; insomnia; sinus congestion; and resistant oral thrush.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

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Keebler
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Especially with mepron, liver support should be timed AWAY from Rx - yet still always consistent and steady. Some kinds are better than others when on mepron, ask your LLMD what they think.

Artemesia / artemisinin also requires work of the Cytochrome P-450 liver detox pathway, so it's especially vital to have liver support on board - and also important to no be fasting as that can strain the liver's P-450 pathway. It needs a nice steady supply of good carbs, along with other nutrients.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
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Keebler
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How does Artemisinin differ from Artemsia -- and which is better for Babesia?

Artemisinin is far better (always use in combination, though, never alone).

I like Hepapro.

You might see Artemisinin as the extract of Artemsia (but not all kinds of artemsia are the same, either, some strains don't work at all the way we need them for Babesia).

Artemisinin is to Artemesia the way Curcumin is to Turmeric. The first being the condensed form.
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Keebler
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This book has a full chapter about Artemisinin - and you can see some detail in the other links, too:

http://tinyurl.com/5drx94

Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang

http://www.sinomedresearch.org/

Website passwords: clinic; clinic

http://www.sinomedresearch.org/ZCprotocols/index.htm

Zhang Protocol

http://www.hepapro.com/hepapro_product.htm

Hepapro
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Keebler
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Stephen BUHNER's books also an excellent resource (and search his website as well). He discusses Artemesia in detail. He also has additional suggestions for Babesia.

Other books that discuss various methods (and I think artemesia / artemisinin - you can check table of contents & index, perhaps, at their Amazon listings if you can Look Inside the book).

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Cant-Get-Better-Solving/dp/1250019400/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Why Can't I Get Better?: Solving the Mystery of Lyme and Chronic Disease

- by a leading ILADS LLMD - released Nov. 2013

http://www.lymedoctor.com/

The Lyme Disease Solution

Another excellent and well respected LLMD, book, website, etc.
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LaniMo
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Thank you, Keebler! I will study those links and buy the Zhang book.

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LaniMo
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Should I be taking Artemisinin away from antibiotics (like Mepron) and with my other supplements?

I am running out of time in the day to properly space everything out!

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Keebler
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Yes, generally herbs should be taken away from Rx. However, you LLMD is really the best to ask and since artemisinin is very condensed, it's more like an Rx than a food-herb.

But here's what should be considered: many herbs are support to the liver / kidneys just in their being good food. Certain herbs and herbal extracts (condensed) help the liver make glutathione and that helps not just the liver but every cell of the body flush out metabolic waste / toxins.

So, if you take something that - MY HANDS have to stop now. sorry.
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Keebler
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My hands demand I stop. Better explained here, anyway how some herbs can "wash" Rx out too fast when taken together:

Though not at all about lyme, this is one of the best reference resources on my bookshelf that has wonderful chapters, many graciously available through their website.

Home: http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/

The ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK (Tillotson, et al)

He is a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine; She a doctor of Oriental Medicine and Acupuncturist. The third co-author is a doctor of optometry.

Left side menu: understanding the nature of herbs

book site search: interactions
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sparkle7
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NAC is protective of the liver. I don't know how it interacts with artemesia.

I also came across this article recently -
http://www.naturalnews.com/052877_glycyrrhizin_licorice_root_extract_liver_protection.html

It's pretty interesting!

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sparkle7
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Re NAC -

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2010/5/n-acetyl-cysteine/Page-01

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LaniMo
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Thanks, sparkle -- interesting stuff!

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packypacky
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Itroconazole is definately in contradiction with most other drugs, it's very hard on your liver.

To check liver detox P450 inhibitors and inducers, go here:

http://medicine.iupui.edu/clinpharm/ddis/main-table/

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WPinVA
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Researched Nutritionals is a great brand for Art.

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