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Harmony
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can we discuss this here?

I have yeast issues and would like to take a break from abx but not too soon

are there Dr. B guidelines?

any links appreciated to articles or other sources

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Sorry to hear of this new "event" as the only new "events" to encounter should be fun ones by now, eh?

Did you see an attached or crawling away tick? Are there bit marks inside the circle or oval?

Any mosquitos visiting you lately? Or fleas, chiggers? Even fly bites? Any new vector bite at all should be considered.

Q: Does it itch? If so, consider ringworm. Rashes can look very similar. With candida issues, ringworm would be more likely.

A new bulls eye may be, yet is not confirmation of a new tick bite or new transmission.

EM rashes can occur at various times during treatment. And they can appear in various places, not necessarily at the site of a previous tick bite or a first EM rash.

They may appear at the start of a new treatment, too. And can signal liver stress as well.

Also, some bulls eye rashes are not for Bb but other strains. And some of those are much kinder, easier and less threat. See Weintraub link in next post.

As you likely have a LLMD to be on treatment, it's best to discuss this with them.

However, I'm with the thought that for a new case of disseminated Bb, seven months would be the minimum time that I'd go for so as to go through a certain number of life cycles.


http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/features/controversy-continues-to-fuel-the-lyme-war/article/117160/

Controversy continues to fuel the "Lyme War" - Clinical Advisor, 2007

[section] Treatment dilemmas . . .

. . . Borrelia burgdorferi has an in vitro replication cycle of about seven days, one of the longest of any known bacteria.

Antibiotics are most effective during bacterial replication, so the more cycles during a treatment, the better. Since the life cycle of Streptococcus pyogenes (the bacterium that causes strep throat) is about eight hours, antibiotic treatment for a standard 10 days would cover 30 life cycles.

To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks. . . .
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http://campother.blogspot.com/2012/05/lets-not-be-rash-about-erythema-migrans.html

Let's Not Be Rash About Erythema Migrans - May 24, 2012

In comment section:

Pam Weintraub - May 26, 2012

If you are doing a rash wrap-up, do not forget Ben Luft's finding that only four of 20 strains cause disseminated disease;

the other 16 are rash-only For various reasons --imo on both sides, political-- no one brings this up.

It means that fewer cases of Lyme actually disseminate (reasons why activists may not mention) but it also means that of those cases that DO disseminate, much more of early Lyme is actually a treatment failure (reason IDSA types may not mention.)

It is a fact that helps no one win their political fight, but it is so important for patients to understand this.

Pam Weintraub, Cure Unknown (end quote)


Now, of course, we all know the absolute seriousness of Bb so it's not good to take chances. If it's not clear that this is actually a new bit vs. an EM rash popping up as they can do from time to time,

or for the best advice whatever this might be talk to your LLMD.

If a new bite, other tick borne infections would need to be re-assessed, too.
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And another major point. As you say candida is an issue . . . if whatever current methods you are using to ward that off (and if they include the best antifungal herbs such as Seagate Olive Leaf extract & consistent probiotics)

well, if you are at "top speed" with anti-fungal protections, they are apparently not working well enough to keep it in check -- so I would look into an different approach, entirely:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS educated LL professional in complementary fields (naturopathic, acupuncture, etc.)

Also includes article and book links by all kinds of LL authors - and information about herbal and nutritional supplements.


A very specific brand of Olive Leaf extract (or a brand that uses the same methods of growing, harvesting, processing) - Seagate. Detail:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/115457?#000000

OLE Links - focus anti-fungal, yet has many properties
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http://www.ilads.org/lyme/what-to-do-if-bit-by-tick.php

ILADS: So What Do You Do If You Get a Tick Bite?


http://lymemd.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2016-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2017-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=9

LymeMD Blog - Friday, July 29, 2016

What do you do when you are bitten by a tick?


https://sites.google.com/site/getitrighttreatthebite/

Treat The Bite


http://www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages
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Also to consider if this is a new bite from any vector:

http://www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/what-causes-lyme-disease/borrelia-miyamotoi/

Borrelia Miyamotoi
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatophytosis

See photo here

Dermatophytosis is a clinical condition caused by fungal infection of the skin in humans . . . .

. . . The most common term for the infection, "ringworm", is a misnomer, since the condition is caused by fungi of several different species and not by parasitic worms. . . .
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Be sure to take photos in natural day light and make notes of the characteristics of this new rash.

Notes about your recent outdoor activities, too.

You can email photos & detail to help your LLMD better determine which direction to go.

[I'd turn left at the green light and head into the Frozen Custard shop - or one that has stevia sweetened treats, eh?]
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Acute infection - I think usually 6-8 weeks of doxycycline, 200mg 2x/day. I am not a doctor, just reporting.
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Regarding candida, LymeToo just posted

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=134525;p=0

Biotin, helps against candida
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