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I don't know what's going on. For the last couple of months I've needed more and more Magnesium. I was experiencing Calcium Displacement but switched from Calcium Gluconate to Calcium Citrate and that stopped the severe Charley Horse cramps.
I also switched to Magnesium Citrate. I find that I need to take Magnesium in the am and in the pm and never used to need it. I like taking it but I am curious to know why Lymies have such a need for it. I've had Lyme, Babs and Bart for years and only started needing so much Magnesium lately. Posts: 653 | From Northern Virginia | Registered: Oct 2014
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Sorry, forgot to post my question. What aspect of Lyme causes an increased need for Magnesium? (My Lyme is chronic)
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Magnesium is one of the most needed minerals in the body. It is so essential, that even now, I take it often (no more lyme for 7 years).
It's basically the ONLY mineral I take in supplements. Not daily, but about 2x a week.
During lyme, I took it daily, as well as vit D3, omega 3, electrolytes... you know how it is.
After lyme was gone, I diminished everything to zero, and only added supplements when I felt I needed. I got so fed up of taking pills, that is why...
I also like magnesium citrate. It doesn't cause me diarrhea and I do feel better.
Without magnesium, enzymes do not work: you need enzymes for everything (also detox).
I have been reading about magnesium chloride though. I found in my local pharmacy, it costs next to NOTHING compared to other forms of magnesium, as I have to buy it bulk.
I haven't ordered, because I wanted to read more about it, but I heard it is very good (absorption).
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So i did some iv msm and found it helped my circulation and lumbrokinase ..which led me to believe that biofilm structures are comprised of calcium and magnesium and other minerals ...
mag and calcium play opposite ...calcium helps contract and magnesium relax ...iv magnesium helped stop twitching .mag theonate is the only one that crosses bbb
if don is right , it is bartonella that calcifys the arteries . i know we need to supplement but is it contributing to the fortress of the buggers ...so i only ask more questions to your question..sorry
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I actually just read in an article today that Lyme uses our body's magnesium to build biofilms, thus depleting our supply.
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- Sorry you are having such frustration from this.
There have to be two other key nutrients on board for the body to be able to absorb magnesium. I forget what they are but think D3 is one. Selenium might be the other. Articles here will clear that up.
From what I've read the citrate form is not one that helps the most with replenishment. Can't pinpoint where I read that yet hope it jumps out at you here with the forms that do work best to replenish.
Also note, every day, whatever forms used still need to be taken 3x or 4x, never all at once and even twice a day may not be effective enough as it goes through the body very fast and does not tend to store up.
Detailed Ingredients & origin of minerals: CSS®, Florida dipotassium phosphate, Great Salt lake potassium sulfate, Gulf of Mexico magnesium sulfate, trace minerals from Texas and Arkansas, Citric Acid. -
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- tulips,
as to your original Q, "What aspect of Lyme causes an increased need for Magnesium? "
Bb, just starting with that one, gobbles it up from us. Bb uses it so then we don't have what we need.
NMDA receptors are high and GABA are low - due to Bb's toxicity. with NMDA over stimulating the brain / body, magnesium defncy even more apparent.
Also the way Bb attacks nerve fibers, those nerve fibers really need magnesium and when it's depleted, the neuro effects are more severe.
Bb also damages nerve fibers, attacks the protective coating around nerves / myelin sheath and so that is part of it, too, with the more severe effects. And, when myelin is compromised, it can take a long time to heal so even with the right amount of magn. on board, it may not be so noticeable.
And then magnesium is required by the liver, too. And the liver just takes such a hit with lyme.
Other kinds of infections might also gobble it up but my brain and hands are toast so I'll let others take over . . . if you cross search the web with key LLMD ILADS presenters / authors' last name and "magnesium" you might find key excerpts.
If you have books by any, just go to the index . . . or even over at Amazn if y can look inside bk -
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Most DRUGS (antibiotics included) DEPLETE magnesium .. so there's that.
The Magnesium Advocacy Group on Facebook does not recommend using mag citrate.
Glycinate, threonate, malate are better. Oxide is OK too .. but generally not well absorbed. If you take it in small amounts during the day, it can work well.
Threonate made me crash this week and I will never touch that one again.
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Wow! I told a friend with Lyme about Lymenet and she said, after going on Lymenet, "What a valuable resource" and nothing could be truer. You all have an amazing knowledge of the problems associated with Lyme.
After waking up with the muscles in my legs seized up, I ordered several different types of Magnesium - fortunately one of them, Doctor's Best, is Elemental Magnesium (from 2,000 mg Magnesium Glycinate/Lysinate chelate." It's the one that helps the most.
After reading your posts and thinking about some other things that are going on, I think it's Bb and Bart and that's gotten worse.
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I am starting Mk-2(MK-4) drops by Thorne because I can control the dosage. MK-4 pulls calcium out of soft tissues and puts it in the bone.
If calcium is part of biofilms and artery plaque---it is something to research, contemplate and consult a knowledgeable functional doctor about.It could really break up biofilms.
We use Vit D in olive oil with the MK-2 (MK-4) and eat foods with calcium so as to not deplete blood levels of calcium. As Bluelyme was saying there
is a play between calcium and magnesium and I imagine if too much MK-4 was used, without taking care with the calcium, it could cause muscle contraction issues.
Just thinking out loud here. Consult your doctor. Posts: 764 | From Northwest | Registered: Sep 2014
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It's odd how we react very differently to different kinds of magnesium. I get sick on mg citrate and I tolerate mg glycinate just fine.
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