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People in the US usually buy the PE1. I have a Bionic 880, but I bought it in Germany.
You order the PE1 from a guy who makes them. I think if you Google Photon Energetics his site will come up. They usually take a while to come in.
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If your budget is small, there were other people buying the Sota Lightworks. It is about 10% of the power of the PE1.
The disadvantage is that treatments last longer.
The advantage is that it used to cost only about 300 dollars in the past.
THere were people here using it in 2008 or so. I decided to buy the PE1, because it felt better, tested it, and it did work wonderfully well.
There were 2 people here in lymenet using both devices, and both said the same: photon therapy (the type Six and I did) works also with the cheaper version, but you got to invest more time in each treatment. Both said that the power of LW is about 10% of the power of the PE1.
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I owned a Sota Lightworks. I never felt that it compared to the Bionic or PE1. Way too weak. You use the Bionic for an hour. I can't imagine how long you'd have to use the Lightworks!
Having had both, I don't suggest it. Perhaps it's better than nothing, but I think the PE1 would be worth the extra investment. Six times as expensive, but at least 10 times the power.
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Is there any benefit to using these without the nosodes? Can't find the regular nosodes. Desbio sells stronger sets now, no selection.
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If a couple of you guys want to buy nosodes, I can order them for you (in case you can't do that yourselves, at Remedia.at, in Austria).
Staufen Pharma is not producing them anymore, but Remedia still has some of the potencies.
The problem is that they sell big bottles¨, not the vials (so that I have to open the bottles, put them in vials, and as bottles are bigger, they cost more in the end, than small Staufen vials).
If at least about 2-3 people would like the nosodes, I could order them and divide them and send to you...
Send me a PM if someone is interested. I have no idea of price, though, but it is usually not too expensive.
If I get at least 2 people, I call the pharmacy to ask. Just for one person is also fine, but it may get a bit pricey...
--------------------------------- Without nosodes, there are some benefits. but I wouldn't buy it only for that purpose.
I think there are other devices that you may see faster improvements (like the other video I posted, a FIR sauna, a violet ray or stronger PEMF device...)
-------------------------------------- Six, thanks for explaining about the LW!
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Dr W used it without nosodes for pain, but not for Lyme treatment.
You can also use blood instead of a nosode, but be careful to go extra slowly because it's very potent.
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My own blood? Pin prick?
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That would be your own blood. One drop blood to 9 drops of boiled cooled purified water and succussed (pound on your hand or soft phone book or the likes of) 100 times.
One drop of that solution is then put into a new vial and 9 drops of water is added and succuss 100 times.
Repeat two more times with two new vials to get a 4x potency. I do believe that is the potency Brussels uses. Brussels told me you can use potency up to 15x but (if I remember right) the treatment is not as powerful. Maybe she will chime in here.
I'd add two drops of non-gluten food grade alcohol, like grape vodka, to help preserve it (at the end of this process)even though that is a "little bit" not a true 4x the vital force in the body still uses it the same way and it helps it not spoil. Keep in a cool place out of the sun. Use clear vials.
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Thanks Lookup!!!
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It would probably be stronger with lookup's recipe. We didn't do that with Dr. W though. I found the more blood, the stronger as far as straight blood goes. A drop or two wasn't as effective as more.
If you use menstrual blood, it's even stronger because it has other things in it than just straight blood.
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I just wanted to let you know that blood nosodes didn't eliminate my babesia. It killed it a little tough- I have herxed a bit.
I'm trying to do it with real Babesia nosodes.
Babesia is super hard to eliminate. Bartonella was gone after 3 months of nosodes+photons treatment, borrelia- gone after 4 months. Babesia is still there. Herxes are horrible, the worst I ever had.
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I have no idea anymore of which blood dilution I used...
Blood nosodes have too many info (platelets, white cells, lymph, red cells, plus pathogens, garbage, nutrition...).
It's not as 'clear' as a 'message' like simple nosodes of Bb, babesia, etc
So blood nosodes were never like really good as simple nosodes, for me, that I remember (I have some white spots in my memory while lyme was really active, so I can be wrong!).
------------------------------------------------ It was funny that dr. W used a non diluted blood. I could never 'understand' that, specially because blood is not transparent (how do biophotons go through it?).
We all know that opaque vials do not work as well as transparent vials of Bb.
So how could pure blood, that is very dark, will work?
------------------------------------------------- Well, in a seminar I attended last year, there were many drs treating cancer with nosodes. They used blood of patients with the cancer cells dying or other medicine.
If I understood well, these drs used the pure blood just as a 'stepping stone' to increase the effect of the dying cancer cells (sort of nosode) to the SPECIFIC patient.
Don't ask me details, as i forgot. But at least 2 different MD were using that extensively with cancer (some sort of cancer cell nosode + undiluted blood of patient).
the seminar had some German drs.
If that is so, the blood vial of dr. W hadn't got killing purposes, but only this sort of connecting purpose: to enhance the effect of the Bb nosodes to the specific patient.
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I think the possibility would be about killing off too many pathogens at once. But, I think, if the antibiotics aren't doing much (as was in our case) I wouldn't have had any qualms about doing both therapies. Of course, follow your doctors advice.
You don't have to worry about any kind of toxic interaction with a nosode/photon therapy and an antibiotic. Seeing that the nosode is taped to the outside of the body and even if it was a homeopathic remedy that was taken internally
(bought from a pharmacy for quality control sake) it still would not have any kind of toxic interaction with a pharmaceutical drug. All of this talk of nosodes and still I don't know anywhere in the USA where one could buy a nosode in a potency for 4x.
Antibiotics and light: It is not UV light in the PE-1 so there is not a worry about getting a sunburn from it either.
quote:Originally posted by Brussels: ------------------------------------------------ It was funny that dr. W used a non diluted blood. I could never 'understand' that, specially because blood is not transparent (how do biophotons go through it?).
We all know that opaque vials do not work as well as transparent vials of Bb.
So how could pure blood, that is very dark, will work?
------------------------------------------------- Well, in a seminar I attended last year, there were many drs treating cancer with nosodes. They used blood of patients with the cancer cells dying or other medicine.
If I understood well, these drs used the pure blood just as a 'stepping stone' to increase the effect of the dying cancer cells (sort of nosode) to the SPECIFIC patient.
Don't ask me details, as i forgot. But at least 2 different MD were using that extensively with cancer (some sort of cancer cell nosode + undiluted blood of patient).
the seminar had some German drs.
If that is so, the blood vial of dr. W hadn't got killing purposes, but only this sort of connecting purpose: to enhance the effect of the Bb nosodes to the specific patient.
I used the dark vials, too, when I used the Des Bio nosodes. I tried them without transferring them to light vials and they worked fine for me. I found the blood alone with no nosodes to be very strong.
He also said that if you blew your nose into a tissue when you were sick, you could use the tissue for treatment of the virus. He didn't say anything about things needing to be clear so light went through them. I know that has been talked about on here, but it didn't originate from him.
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quote:Originally posted by HW88: Can you use photon therapy with antibiotics?
No. Antibiotics make the bacteria go into hiding. You want the immune system to be able to find the bacteria to kill it off itself. Dr. W made us go off antibiotics for at least 2 weeks prior to treatment.
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quote:Originally posted by anuta: I just wanted to let you know that blood nosodes didn't eliminate my babesia. It killed it a little tough- I have herxed a bit.
I'm trying to do it with real Babesia nosodes.
Babesia is super hard to eliminate. Bartonella was gone after 3 months of nosodes+photons treatment, borrelia- gone after 4 months. Babesia is still there. Herxes are horrible, the worst I ever had.
Photons didn't get rid of my babesia either. I drank tonic water, and the quinine in it was enough to eradicate the babesia once the Lyme and other infections were gone from photon treatment. I think my own immune system was stronger and the tonic just gave it the little extra push.
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What do you all think of using saliva made into a nosode? If you look, with a dark field microscope, at the saliva of a person with Bb it can be loaded with spirochetes.
Also, with dark field microscopy once the blood drop is looked at they can put some pressure on the slide to break open the red blood cells and that releases a heap of pathogens that were living inside the blood cell. Maybe crushed blood would make a better nosode. Any thoughts here?
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Does it work while on parasite meds?
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Look up: I used saliva for hormone adjustments but less for pathogens, I think... I certainly used it, but as I try so many things, I can't remember for what, specifically, any longer.
Six: I agree with you for the abx thing. Abx will make critters crazy, aggressive, defensive. That is not what the immune system wants.
The immune system works more diplomatically, sideways, while aggressive treatments such as hyperhtermia, rife, abx or killer herbs will act more directly, making it harder for the immune system to 'negotiate' with borrelia.
It's EXACTLY the problem with CHRONIC CANDIDA. Attack it frontally, and you may have found an extremely stubborn enemy, very hard to eliminate. Much harder than Borrelia.
You can't attack chronic candida frontally, in my experience. The more you do, the harder it gets.
This is because candida defends itself, and will refuse to re-change to its beneficial form. It remains in its pathogenic form.
That is how I see the problem of nosodes being used side by side with any aggressive killing treatment.
So I totally agree with Six.
As for pure blood remedy, I never felt much with them. Pure blood makes nothing to me.
But I don't say it doesn't work as I know there are things like auto-urine therapy, auto-hemotherapy and even auto-photon therapy.
Different problems / people , different outcomes.
I'm not versed in it. It is worth trying, always.
As for darker nosodes, I have some sanum ones. I swear they work worse than clear ones. It takes much longer to treat.
Also, when I use vials under a dark shirt, I need to apply infrared for longer to have the same effect.
At least for me, the treatment with the PE1 works much better when I'm naked, when there is nothing blocking my vials.
Maybe it also has to do with the time of treatment: I used less than 5 minutes of infrared every treatment, while the bionic, you need about an hour.
If I use 15 minutes, I guess darker vials will also work...
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Cat girl, I suppose yes, if the parasite medicine is not attacking Borrelia.
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Brussels, that makes sense about the time. Didn't matter at all what I wore when I did the treatment.
As far as blood working or not working .... might be because different people need different things .... might also be a length of time issue. Dr. W had people have very strong reactions to blood, so he didn't add it in until later.
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Brussels, You say that you feel that your treatment is the most effective when you are naked and nothing is blocking your vials.
I'm always afraid that if I do that the light will shine on the nosodes and Dr W told us to avoid this because this apparently damages the nosodes. So I always cover the nosodes with something. It works still, but what you've said made me wonder.
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Will it work if I take cats claw or should I stop taking it?
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I forgot to ask, six different forms of lyme have showed up on biofeedback for me. Will one nosode work on all six?
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Catgirl, If this photon therapy is based on the principles of homeopathy - the remedy (vial) content only needs to be similar to the disease pathogen. The exact strain of pathogen is not necessary. Using Brussels phrase "you come at it sideways."
Photon ruining vial subject: I have not found it to ruin the vial although everything I have read says to not have remedies in sunlight (photons).
quote:Originally posted by lymeandceliac: Wow...this sounds interesting but I'm totally lost! What is this)
It's a light therapy that Dr. W in Germany came up with that treats Lyme. There are many threads on it here that are rather long where you can learn a lot. Search for Bionic 880 and PE1.
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Yep, Six, I guess timing is crucial. I only used 2 seconds of infrared in each point, with a maximum time of less than 5 minutes each week!
That means, it is very little, really, and I do think the clear vials do make a difference (I need certainly much more time with vials that are shaded, like those brown sanum vials).
As for blood, many drs are using that with SCALAR WAVE devices.
They say that all these energy treatments using scalar waves (which is also part of the Bionic / PE1, as far as I understood) PREFER complex molecules as treatment.
Example: dilute a chemical substance, like abx, a vitamin, or a mineral, and use scalar waves / photons to treat a person, and the result is only small.
Dilute a complex molecules, meaning, a plant, any LIVE thing (that had been alive once) like a bacteria, a cancer cell, blood, and you get a very nice treatment.
The drs said that this happens because the body loves and understands complex molecules much better than simple chemical elements, that are far from life. The closer these remedies are to life, the better the body TAKES the message.
that is why these oncologists use chemicals to kill cancer cells and put these dying cells near the patient, then ADD SOME BLOOD vials together, and ONLY THEN, flash the biophotons OR the scalar field around / through the patient.
That makes sense to me, really. They swear that the treatment works MUCH better with blood added than without it.
Same way you'd rather take a mineral that has been transformed by a plant than to take the pure chemical element that never was 'digested' by a plant. It is more bio-compatible.
Even nosodes or homeopathic remedies can become more bio-compatible if you add organic things, in this case, blood. That is what my brain understood, from that conference.
More than a dr was using that, and it looked to me that it became a sort of common practice among alternative drs.
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In my opinion, adding anything that CHANGES the immune system (killing pathogens directly, boosting the immunity, or simply modulating immunity) may interfere with photons.
But why not trying to see? I don't think anyone will die taking abx and photons + nosodes.
But the point is that, the photon treatment effect may get disturbed, so in the end, you possibly get less effects?
I swear it took me a lot of courage NOT to take Buhner, Cowden and other killer herbs or immunomodulators during photon treatment.
I wanted to TAKE them so badly. They only tested bad, that is why I didn't. They tested good before photon treatment, and tested bad after photon.
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Anuta,
You are using the PE1, right? I would let the nosodes free (no clothes covering them).
Even if your hand is covering the nosodes, the PE1 emits radio frequencies (that are probably the related to scalar waves) and infrared light.
Infrared light will penetrate skin, clothes are even thinner, so you can't protect the nosodes with clothes.
Besides, radio frequencies can also penetrate a thin cloth, and scalar waves cross the whole planet, as far as I understood.
There is no real protection to nosodes. Just don't flash light DIRECTLY to them.
Before and after finishing using these nosodes, succuss them 100 times. Store them on alu foil, to make a faraday cage.
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Cat girl and Look up,
Look up is right: homeopathy and isopathy are sort of cousins... and homeopathy works by similar-cure-similar principle.
Just see what Sanum nosodes do: a few different penicylin-nosodes killing dozens, hundreds of pathogens.
The idea is that, once a body is ill with some disease, give it further a similar disease, and it will 'erase' the initial disease.
Have you heard that once you get a cold virus, the next cold virus has to wait on a queue to attack you? A bit like that....
The only comment to add is that we had Bb and Borrelia garinii.
We fist treated Bb with these Bb nosodes (like dr. W does), and I just treated further some left overs (co-infections, or other parallel infections, but never more Bb).
My daughter, though, had both co-infections to treat AND B. garinii.
B garinii was not making her too ill, but Bb nosodes DIDN'T take care of them (so the similar-cure-similar principle didn't work...).
I guess it doesn't always work, the same way that nosodes won't ALWAYS work.
So I bought B. garinii nosodes and did the treatment with her (only with 5 or 6 nosodes). I remember it was EASY to deal with garinii once Bb was knocked off.
All other infections got easily dormant for both us.
every time our Bb wanted to come back (about twice in 7.5 years), we had only ONE DAY of symptom: we photooned the Bb nosodes again and never felt any symptoms any longer.
We did the photooning once a week for about 3, 4 weeks, which took us no longer than 20 minutes in total, and that was all.
We both used Bb ANTIGEN nosodes after finishing with Bb nosodes, at least once in our lives. Then I think, never more.
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