Bartenderbonnie
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I am convinced that it's impossible to catch these invaders.
How can you kill them when your own body provides the means for them to flourish ?
And if your body is able to put up any kind of defense, these invaders change the make up of your immune system to disable it.
IMO, that's why symptoms constantly change. Treatment gives chase but never catches them. It just scatters them to other areas.
Chronic fatigue is the proof of the all night party these invaders have in your body.
If I can't get rid of chronic sinus infection, how the hell do I think I can get rid of Lyme ? Hopeless.
While most Neuro symptoms have waned, others pop up just as severe and frightening.
Invaders always on the run.
So I keep taking my meds, follow doctors orders, and everything else that entails. No other choice.
I have no immune system so it seems futile to continue treatment until I get that fixed first.
But to do nothing is most likely certain death to organs.
So tired.
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Keebler
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- Immune function is not destroyed or the patient would be dead in a short time. But borrelia can certainly cause it to go bonkers. There are still ways the body is working, though, and better so with key support methods, nutrients and self care.
The immune system cannot be "fixed" until the infection is under control. Borrelia "flips" immune function. The infection must - must - be faced directly with very precise Rx / precise herbs and in all manners with a multi-faceted approach that considers biofilm, cystic form, other forms of borrelia as well as
other coinfections that require totally different therapeutics.
With a good immune support - such as key specific medical mushrooms - good results are possible. Just never do anything to boost anything. A body with lyme cannot tolerate any boosting.
It would be dangerous to try to push or force immune function - just as dangerous as suppressing it. Gentle support is where the logic resides so be sure to stay in that zone.
As well, processes that the infection boomerangs also need to be addressed, such as hormones, etc.
While that happens, immune support is vital, of course. Not immune stimulation, though, support.
Other adjunctive therapy matters as well for organ support. No lyme treatment should be without a wide range of specific support measures.
LIVER SUPPORT & ADRENAL SUPPORT are required, absolutely required - and for good reason.
Borrelia can certain be beaten. Many have done it. Be sure you are working with an ILADS educated lyme literate doctor. They must know the science of lyme, etc.
You might also consider other therapies such as rife machine, biophonton, etc. There are certainly ways to bring it under control and then the body can become stronger. It's a process.
You might be sure to read all the relevant books by Stephen Harrod Buhner, a very LL master herbalist. -
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Bartenderbonnie
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Keebler,
Having a hard time understanding your comment "It would be dangerous to try to push or force immune system."
I have CVID and Hypogammaglobulienmia. Poor immune system. No antibodies.
While I know many Lyme patients have a disfunctional immune system, my medical history clearly shows I have suffered from this way before Lyme.
Many, many infections. Many, many antiboitics. Many, many steroids. Many, many doctors who were either too stupid or too lazy to order an immune blood work up.
I will NOT get better until I boost my immune system. Period.
Any infection is very dangerous for me. Lyme is the cherry on top of my #### sundae.
Sorry, I mean no disrespect. Sometimes the written word translates to a different level than the spoken word.
If you have any suggestions as to how I can rectify my broken antibody production without boosting it, please I need your help.
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Brussels
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Bonnie, I fully agree with you. It's almost an impossible task, with chemical remedies, even plants and supplements.
Some people are luckier, but many of us aren't.
If I hadn't changed the whole paradigm of treatment, I wouldn't be cured either. It was never ending, specially because I kept being bitten by ticks, many times a year.
I don't know how you guys arrive to get rid of Bb, bart etc only using chemicals, really.
I do think that, if 96% of our body / planet / universe is something else than atoms, how can we treat our body with atomic substances (chemicals) only, that is only 4% of us?
For me, the only way out was to incorporate energy treatments, because at least, they are dealing with the rest 96% of me!
the conventional chemical way is never-ending, when the immune system is already a wreck, like for many of us.
Of course, you have to keep treating chemically (herbs, supplements, in my case) but adding an extra help from energy treatments (acupuncture, homeopathy, other subtle energy treatments) is what in the end, may make you start to win this hell of lyme.
I always keep saying: I don't know how you guys survive, only treating the body physically.
My body couldn't even accept most of the chemicals proposed, not even food! If I hadn't changed the whole way of treating myself, I think I would be still with lyme, as I still get bitten ever year!
And the same with my daughter.
If you guys realize that it is impossible to get out, in a reasonable time (like less than 40-50 years), well turn the page and try other treatments!!
My personal opinion.
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bluelyme
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Bvt boost immune sx ..and get rid of the offending erlichia or bartonella that is offending your wbc count .. or its meds meds meds ivig ?
Gse in silver with xylatol got my sinus clear .. i said the same about lil boil and roceph and venom didnt clear til i added andrographos ...
rife ,n many many herbs to try ...hold hope ..its was 9 months before i said hey this sucks a little less....and cherish those gains
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bluelyme
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Bvt boost immune sx ..and get rid of the offending erlichia or bartonella that is offending your wbc count .. or its meds meds meds ivig ?
Gse in silver with xylatol got my sinus clear .. i said the same about lil boil and roceph and venom didnt clear til i added andrographos ...
rife ,n many many herbs to try ...hold hope ..its was 9 months before i said hey this sucks a little less....and cherish those gains
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Bartenderbonnie
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Thanks blue,
I ve been on silver for 2 weeks now. Used to be a killer, now doesn't do nothing.
Trying to find energy to get to my favorite store, yup, the pharmacy
Then back to bed, of coarse.
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