posted
"THE OXIDATION OF CYSTEINE WITH IODINE: FORMATION OF A SULFINIC ACID"
"Labeling studies of borreliae with [35S]cysteine indicated that B. burgdorferi has several cysteine-containing proteins, including ones at 22, 30 (OspA), and 34 kDa (OspB), whereas B. hermsii showed only two [35S]cysteine-incorporating proteins, at 22 and 24 kDa, which were exposed onto the outer cell surface.
In addition, most of the cysteine-incorporating proteins could be biosynthetically radiolabeled when bacterial cells were grown in vitro with [3H]palmitate, and the differences in cysteine incorporation observed between B. burgdorferi and B. hermsii were found to be correlated with differences in lipoproteins."
Not only that, but...
"Molecular Iodine Induces Caspase-independent Apoptosis in Human Breast"
"Based upon studies finding that
iodine deficiency increases breast cancer
and supplementing with iodine reverses the dysplastic changes,
the objective of the 2006 microarray genes' analysis of iodine on breast cancer cells was to determine the specific molecular pathways through which iodine exerts its protection of breast tissue."
"Iodine also induces apoptosis, programmed cell death."
"Iodine has other extrathyroidal functions that require more study. It removes toxic chemicals - fluoride, bromide, lead, aluminum, mercury - and biological toxins, suppresses auto-immunity, strengthens the T-cell adaptive immune system, and protects against abnormal growth of bacteria in the stomach."
"As these physicians point out, consuming iodine in milligram doses should, of course, be coupled with a complete nutritional program that includes adequate amounts of selenium, magnesium, and Omega-3 fatty acids.
Done this way, an iodine intake 100 times the reference daily intake is "the simplest, safest, most effective and least expensive way to help solve the health care crisis crippling our nation," as the leader of The Iodine Project, Dr. Abraham, puts it. "
Nice try, but not good enough to prove that iodine kills Lyme or other tickborne infections.
Iodine is commonly used as a radioactive tracer in lab experiements. Just because it binds to something is not proof of killing the bacteria.
Iodine is beneficial for fibrocystic breasts and possibly breast cancer, but that is not a valid comparison to other bacteria.
I am sure there are plenty of Morgellons patients who will tell you that iodine does not kill Lyme and other tickborne pathogens.
Yes, iodine may boost the immune system if one is deficient, but please be careful with dosing. Hubby took iodoral for probably a year -- had to stop both iodoral and Armour thyroid about 6 months ago due to elevated thyroid levels and also some antibodies to thyroid hormones.
Lyme etc can really really mess with hormones of all sorts.
Bea Seibert
Posts: 7306 | From Martinsville,VA,USA | Registered: Oct 2004
| IP: Logged |
SForsgren
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 7686
posted
Agree with Bea. I took Iodoral for quite some time and then had to stop as well. So taking it to kill infection if it does that has risks associated with thyroid as well. I am not disputing that iodine can be helpful, but it has to be well thought-out and not just something we take like Vitamin C without doctor supervision.
-------------------- Be well, Scott Posts: 4617 | From San Jose, CA | Registered: Jul 2005
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
posted
What about taking a food or supplement like kelp or eating seaweed?
I've seen some people raving on the internet about possible toxicity of kelp... but then there's this:
Drugs, Foods, Products With Aluminum Risk Factors
Antacids contain aluminum hydroxide. Anti-diarrhea products may contain aluminum salts and aluminum magnesium silicate.
Antiperspirants and deodorants contain aluminum chloride or chlorhydrate.
Food starch modifiers and anti caking agents also contain varying levels of aluminum compounds.
Processed and grated cheese contain sodium aluminum phosphate.
Shampoos, anti-dandruff contain magnesium aluminum silicate. Other shampoos may contain aluminum lauryl sulfate.
Table salt contains aluminum calcium silicate. Tarter sauce, tobacco smoke may also have high levels.
Eye drops used for the treatment of glaucoma and increased pressure in the eye contain mono-basic and dibasic sodium phosphate and sodium hydroxide in buffered water solution.
Aluminum hydroxide is used as the gelatinous flocking agent to filter out particulates in the water.
Aluminum hydroxide is prepared at the treatment plant from aluminum sulfate by reaction with the sodium hydroxide.
One process of producing the sodium hydroxide is the mercury cell process where the sodium metal forms as an amalgam at the mercury cathode and the sodium is then reacted with water to produce the sodium hydroxide.
The sodium hydroxide goes by other names like Lye and Caustic Soda and also used in detergents, drinking water, food preparation in washing fruits vegetables, washing hominy, pepper, gelling of egg whites, pretzels, pulp and paper, textiles, toothpastes, soaps, tissue digestion or decomposing, and unblocking drains.
Food in aluminum cans, foils or containers may have trace amounts.
Pancake mixes, and grains may contain aluminum.
Pickling salts for pickles or maraschino cherries can contain aluminum ammonium sulfate and aluminum potassium sulfate.
Vaccines that contain aluminum hydroxide are used as an absorbing agent in many vaccines and hypo-sensitization preparations causes hypersensitivity reactions.
Aluminum may also be used in allergy testing, intravenous solutions, allergens, wound and antacid irrigation, ulcer treatment, blood oxygenation, bone or joint replacement and burn treatment.
Municipal water supplies are treated with both aluminum sulfate and aluminum fluoride.
The role of aluminum from toothpastes with sodium fluoride may be even just as important than the drinking water. Use baking soda for an alternative.
Most of these types of aluminum will be found in ground water and toxic to aquatic life: aluminum acetate, aluminum bicarbonate, aluminum caprylate, aluminum chloride, aluminum diacetate, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum oxide, aluminum sulfate, Poly-oxo aluminum stearate, and Sodium aluminum phosphate are found in pesticides and herbicides.
Aluminum has been exempted from testing for safety by the FDA under some convoluted logic wherein it is classified as GRAS. (Generally Regarded As Safe.)
It has never been tested by the FDA on its safety and there are NO restrictions whatever on the amount or use of aluminum.
Mercury is the most toxic element among the risk factors that causes damage to our bodies.
It is found in shellfish and some fish. It is used in dental amalgam fillings, bactericides, fungicides, paint, thermometers and vaccines.
Mercury can cause changes in the lymphoid tissue; it effects the immune system, nervous system, kidneys, and it produces resistance to antibiotics.
Mercury is extremely toxic and poisonous to our bodies.
Symptoms of mercury toxicity include fatigue, indigestion, muscle and joint weakness, nervousness, depression, or weight loss.
Mercury poisoning has been linked to Alzheimer's, Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinson's Disease.
---
I know this is alittle off the topic of iodine killing spirochetes since it's mostly about aluminum.
It just seems reasonable to take kelp or eat some seaweed as part of a healthy diet to provide iodine rather than taking a drug.
We don't have to overdo it...
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
jamescase20
Unregistered
posted
Hey its your loss if you dont believe it.
I am just the messenger.
I and my doctor with lyme both found reduced to no, lyme babies (hovering dots) in our phase contrast mics, we both own our own scopes, and both know what lyme looks like.
My lyme is way way down, and hers is no longer appearing.
Were using about 10 drops of liquid iodine under tounge (about 2 percent iodine) under tounge 4 times a day.
I am getting my blood iodine checked tommrrow.
IP: Logged |
Thanks for your post. I always wonder if my hives reaction to iodine contrast had anything to do with how it was affecting the Borrelia- almost want to not tell them I'm allergic to it just to kill off some Borrelia- if it's actually doing that.
-------------------- RV Posts: 249 | From Healing in USA | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
If one who is on thyroid hormone replacement goes on iodine, TSH should be monitored monthly, and if it starts dropping, the exogenous thyroid hormone should be decreased first, and the iodine decreased to a maintenance dose last.
Iodine therapy should also be incorporated with a diet program that eliminates ALL processed food and increases fresh fruits, vegetables and, if meat is to be ingested (I think it should) naturally raised animal products.
Posts: 442 | From Biddeford, ME | Registered: Nov 2007
| IP: Logged |
Marnie
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 773
posted
Bb's zinc fingers contain cysteine and histidine bound by zinc. 2 amino acids joined by a metal/mineral.
IF iodine is oxidizing cysteine in Bb's lipoproteins (in the cell walls and in its zinc fingers), then it is likely zinc and histidine (converts to histamine -> "allergic" reaction) may happen.
And too much, too fast could -> life threatening (severe "allergic" reaction).
Increase Mg too...it IS an anti-histamine as well as an anti-inflammatory. It works esp. with the B vitamins. It IS given in IV doses to halt status asthmaticus...the life threatening severe asthma attack as a result of the immune response to an allergen.
Iodine IS recommended to put on the tick bite area (or alcohol) following a bite.
There maybe big reasons WHY.
In everything there is a little truth.
Be careful discounting this "find" too fast.
But, yes...too much iodine isn't good either, but apparently we can handle quite a bit (see above recommendations..what other nutrients to take in addition).
Repeating:
"As these physicians point out, consuming iodine in milligram doses should, of course, be coupled with a complete nutritional program that includes adequate amounts of selenium, magnesium, and Omega-3 fatty acids."
Scott, how long did you use iodine, how much, how often and why did you need to go off it?
Just trying to put puzzle pieces together...what is safe and effective in eliminating the pathogen while at the same time has the LEAST potential damage to healthy cells?
The more we can *directly target* Bb, the safer, IMO.
Posts: 9424 | From Sunshine State | Registered: Mar 2001
| IP: Logged |
jamescase20
Unregistered
posted
Well, I read in Japan woman can consume up to 16Grams!!! of iodine daily via sea veggies.
my doctor has lyme and placing 10 drops of 2% iodine under tounge 4 times a day and still alive.
She claims shes not finding lyme bugs anymore.
IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
PS- How long did it take for your doctor to get results from using the 2% iodine?
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
posted
James - did you herx from the iodine?
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
posted
up
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
Hi everyone. I am just reviewing past topics on seaweed (may buy some) and also iodine. Any more thoughts on some of there interesting comments herein?
-------------------- My biofilm film: www.whyamistillsick.com 2004 Mycoplasma Pneumonia 2006 Positive after 2 years of hell 2006-08 Marshall Protocol. Killed many bug species 2009 - Beating candida, doing better Lahey Clinic in Mass: what a racquet! Posts: 830 | From Mass. | Registered: Aug 2006
| IP: Logged |
glm1111
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 16556
posted
I use Real Salt which contains Natural Iodine. Sea salt is also a natural broad spectrum antibiotic.
Many of us are salt deficient and I am sure iodine deficient.
My grandmother had Graves Disease and my sister and I both have Hashimotos Thyroiditis.
-------------------- PARASITES/WORMS ARE NOW RECOGNIZED AS THE NUMBER 1 CO-INFECTION IN LYME DISEASE BY ILADS* Posts: 6418 | From philadelphia pa | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
Anyone with experiences using Electridine ?
Posts: 101 | From Living in the Now | Registered: Mar 2009
| IP: Logged |
karenl
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 17753
posted
James, I knew a doctor ( he is no longer alive) but he treated his patients with IV iodine. He was still working with 102 and treating patients who did not find cure elsewhere, they travelled to him. I stopped the treatment because I got herx reactions.
Posts: 1834 | From US | Registered: Oct 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
I have no idea about much of this, but had to chime in about my iodine experience.
When I was going through all of the testing (before Lyme ever entered my mind) as what was causing my neurological problems like neuropathy, etc, I had a CT scan.
I am not kidding when I say that within about 5 minute of them injecting the iodine contrast stuff my neuropathy pain disappeared. It had been constant for almost 6 months and it was just gone.
The relief lasted for almost 24 hours and then the pain slowly returned. All of my docs just looked at me like I had two heads when I told them what happened, but it's hard to ignore.
I started a very low dose of iodoral, but have been too afraid to go too high on my own for fear of messing up my thyroid. No relief on a small dose. Posts: 47 | From Texas | Registered: Oct 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
He probably got well and left. I'm really surprised by the lack of support or people who've actually tried this method, with the exception of the few who chimed in.
This thread is from 2007, and no one talks about this. Strange considering all the rage the A.I. therapy thread gets.
I have a hard time with pills (Ioderol) because of digestive issues, but I'm real tempted to see what some Iodine drops under the tongue will do.
If you're gonna stop me, speak now or forever hold your peace! Stop me! Do it!
Posts: 829 | From MD | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
lpkayak
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5230
posted
newbies-please be careful with this info...read the posts of long term lymies-somethings james did were very dangerous. i hope he is ok.
-------------------- Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself. Posts: 13712 | From new england | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
lpkayak
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5230
posted
i found that when dx with copd and needing 10 meds to breathe if i sat in the car near breaking waves long enough...usually hours...i could get off all the meds
i am no longer dx with copd
i have been told by scientists that the breaking waves do something to ions...
i don't understand it at all...sounds like magic to me.
but apparently there is science to proove this...i think breathing the ionized air helps your immune system or something
someone else may be motivated to research it...i just know it works and use it when i need it
ps-maybe there is iodine in the air...who knows
i couldn't take iodoral. it made my reflux really bad.
-------------------- Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself. Posts: 13712 | From new england | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by lpkayak: newbies-please be careful with this info...read the posts of long term lymies-somethings james did were very dangerous. i hope he is ok.
Good Call lpkayak. I'm one of those people that believes in everything in moderation....ESPECIALLY if you don't have a practitioner you trust guiding you.
I'm more for making sure your body is getting enough of everything and looking at the possible benifits. I definitely did not mean to dig up this thread for people to launch off thinking this is the sole path to being cured.
Posts: 101 | From Living in the Now | Registered: Mar 2009
| IP: Logged |
that could explain subconsciously why I love sitting in front of the ocean. I always tell everyone the beach is where I feel the best.
Posts: 829 | From MD | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
I really thought I was just nuts (lyme, ya know) but when I'm at the beach and in the water, I feel like myself again...and I'm scared to go this summer because of Doxy...
Posts: 222 | From NH | Registered: Mar 2011
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
Just as positive ions build up in the atmosphere prior to a storm front, negative ions accumulate following a storm. This surfeit of negative ions has long been associated with improvements in mood and physical health. Research conducted in the last decade has begun to support the view that negative ions have a net positive effect on health.
One of the most tantalizing hints regarding negative ions and health surfaced when German researchers discovered a link between catecholamine regulation and lifespan after depriving experimental animals of negative ions.
First, researchers at the Goldstein and Lewin Dept. of Medical Research in Stahnsdorf, Germany isolated mice and rats in air-tight, sealed acrylic cases. Next, they filtered the ambient air to remove all negative ions from the sealed cases.
Their research led to the discovery that a prolonged deficiency of negative ions led to an accelerated rate of death for the experimental animals. Examination of the animals led researchers to conclude that the results 'strongly suggest that animal death is related to disturbances in neurohormonal regulation and pituitary insufficiency. (23)
Researchers at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow discovered that negative ions are able to help protect the body from induced physical stress. When the researchers immobilized rats and exposed them to negatively charged air ions they discovered that the ions prevented the development of pathological changes characteristic of acute stress that are observed in untreated rats.
The protective action of negative air ions was observed in all the experimental animals independently of their types of behavior. (24)
British researchers at the Centre for Sport and Exercise Sciences in Liverpool exposed male subjects to negative ions and measured physiological responses, including body temperature, heart rate and respiration, while at rest and during exercise. Negative ions were found to significantly improve all physiological states, particularly during rest. Most important was the finding that negative ions are "biologically active and that they do affect the body's circadian rhythmicity." (25)
Another clue to the role of negative ions in health comes from Russian research conducted at the Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, in Pushchino, Russia.
Researchers found that exposure to negative ions increased levels of the protective antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase (SOD) in mammalian erythrocytes.
The researchers also discovered minute amounts of H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide), writing, "The primary physiochemical mechanism of beneficial biological action of negative air ions is suggested to be related to the stimulation of superoxide dismutase activity by micromolar concentrations of H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide)." (26)
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
I've been off for some time. I'm sorry to hear of James. What was the cause of death?
Posts: 696 | From CA | Registered: Dec 2011
| IP: Logged |
The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:
The
Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey 907 Pebble Creek Court,
Pennington,
NJ08534USA http://www.lymenet.org/
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic