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GVS
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I'd like to use OLE as an antiparasitic agent and am hoping it just kill lyme in the digestive tract.

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OLE is a wonderful, wonderful thing for so very many separate and overlapping matters.

I've just started it again for a skin condition and it's cleared up what was nearly the worst to "all clear" - I require the top dose, though.

It is vital to take it at least every 6 hours (when awake).

Still, OLE is not really going to "kill" lyme as much as one might hope yet it can be more helpful for some of the other infections.

OLE is not going to be enough alone, IMO and in my experience of the years. No herb can be. Combinations / rotations matter greatly so as to keep the infections from figuring out the "codes" so to speak of any one herb.

Yes, though, OLE does circulate throughout the body.

And that OLE is so great against many viruses and to help the body tissue in various ways, I do think it has an honored place even with some limitations. Lyme has so many other infections, especially viruses that need attention that OLE can work on "side" issues that are essential.

With lyme, though, absolutely no treatment for lyme is ever going to work if it's just in the gut. I'm not sure if you want something that stays just in the gut but your wording sounded as if you might.

Still, OLE is not the best to rely upon as a sole action against lyme but as part of the plan.

Andrographis is more effective against, lyme, IMO. Yet there are so many other herbs to consider. Be sure to read both Buhner's and also Zhang's books.

The top dose of OLE Seagate brand is 16 capsules a day - four caps, four times a day. Lower doses can be of use for many, of course.

Be sure to read Morton Walker's book and see the various links here, too:


A very specific brand of Olive Leaf extract (or a brand that uses the same methods of growing, harvesting, processing) - Seagate. Detail:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/115457?#000000

OLE Links
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Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang


http://www.zhangclinicnyc.com/ld/index.htm

Website passwords: clinic; clinic

http://www.sinomedresearch.org/ZCprotocols/index.htm

Zhang Protocol


http://www.hepapro.com/hepapro_product.htm

Hepapro
HP005 Allicin Capsules (60 capsules/bottle, for lyme 10 day supply )
[Ask if weight is not in “ideal” range as the dose may need to be altered up or down.]
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get all relevant books on lyme & coinfections by

Stephen H. Buhner . . . and find his very own website / current blog. He is an excellent very top LL master herbalist.
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Topic: Garlic vs Allicin


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ANDROGRAPHIS paniculata - LINKS SET

http://www.altcancer.com/andcan.htm

In-Depth-Review


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BERBERINE – LINKS SET
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When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways. Proper ASSESSMENT of not just lyme but coinfectoins is vital. Someone trained by ILADS is best to assess.

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.

For those considering complementary support methods / or other avenues entirely:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.

BOOKS - Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

knowing which methods offer assertive & direct impact, which are only support and which are both. And when to use what, how to combine, & when to step back.

You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .

BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever - not if there is inflammation in the spine with active infection. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)

Links here to two major sources: Buhner, & Zhang. Be sure to get their books.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

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Also to help soothe digestive tract issues:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=037117;p=0

MARSHMALLOW ROOT (Althaea officinalis)

INFORMATIONAL LINKS SET
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The only thing I know of that kills various forms of Bb

in the digestive tract only

is Tritec - Ranitidine bismuth *citrate*.

It can be formulated at special pharmacies, but would need a Rx.

http://www.im.microbios.org/16december01/04%20Brorson.pdf

Ranitidine HCL is Zantac.

It is a H2 blocker and reduces stomach
acid.

Bismuth citrate possible modes of action include:

The mechanisms of actions of bismuth on gastrointestinal pathogens (including H. pylori) are complex and include

inhibition of protein and cell wall synthesis,

membrane function and ATP synthesis.

Adherence of H. pylori to surface epithelial cells is also impaired.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2036.11.s1.13.x/abstract

IMO...that last function may be the most important. Can't lock on means can't invade and steal nutrients.

Re: bismuth citrate:

Look very closely at the ingredients in this product:

https://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Pepti-Guard-Support-Capsules/dp/B00DJC3Z5I/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1495052470&sr=8-1&keywords=bismuth+citrate

See Berberine HCL also? ;-)

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