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I am interested in the best ways to detox. I am on three very high doses of antibiotics right now and am getting checked for heart issues, so I do not want to add any other oral medicines or herbals, or vitamins until the heart is checked and I speak to my cardiologist.
Tried the Epsom salt bath and had horrific diarrhea for 5 minutes after. I only did one cup for 20 minutes. So I plan to try it again this weekend, just going down to 1/2 a cup for 20 minutes.
Any other suggestions that others have that may have shown some progress? I am thinking the heart issues are due to an overload of toxins.
I figured this community would be a better source to seek information.
Thank you!
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- "had horrific diarrhea for 5 minutes after"
Yeah, likely far too much Epsom salts for you but I've used a cup or more many times in a large bath and never had diarrhea.
Still, there are variables and your body just probably should just not even try this again for a while, even with half the amount.
I wonder if it could also be due to any other factors, though, and it the bath just tipped the scales.
While you don't mention it, also consider:
Was your bath too hot? Be sure to avoid strong heat and stick only to cozy warmth. Many with lyme have severe heat intolerance that can result in all kinds of rough symptoms that can last for days afterward - or longer, depending upon variables.
Any detox "event" that even tires you out should be avoided, IMO, and go for the more even handed liver SUPPORT vs. "event" measures. Or greatly adjust the "event" measures toward comfort.
A bath should be enjoyable. When that stops, or if the "payback" is uncomfortable or even more fatigue, then it's gone too far. For some, baths are just too exhausting even if only cozy warm and even if no Epsom salts.
You can get magnesium into your body in other ways, too.
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Thank you Keebler. I do not think it was too hot, but I am always freezing, so I like things hotter. That could very well have been the case.
I appreciate the link. I will be doing a lot of reading tonight! Posts: 74 | From over here | Registered: Mar 2017
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- Oh, when cold, heat can be so seductive. I cannot even tell you how many times that clobbered me. The tricky part is that - WHILE enjoying the heat - all is just all grand.
It can really sneak up on one later on, even once out of the bath or an hour or two later: the big clobber or the muscle melt down can hit.
I do not think a hotter bath could cause loose bowels, though, but if you had other "payback" stuff, just thought it would be good to mention it. -
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Hi Mrs. Farmer, When I was on a heavy abx protocol, coffee enemas were super helpful to me for detox. You need to be careful with them though and use less coffee to start with.
You can google coffee enemas and Dr. Wilson's pages to me are the most informative. Again, you need to read on how to do it and tailor it to your needs.
I also used the IF sauna at a local pilates studio before we bought one.
Both of those things I believe were integral to me completing that piece in a timely manner. And, lots of water! Hang in there!
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I would not use detox methods involving heat/sweating either until you have seen your cardiologist. For me, that would rule out hot soaking baths with Epsom salts and saunas for the time being.
You could in the meantime use simple detox methods, taking milk thistle or similar, sonething to raise glutathione (I use a transdermal glutathione by Neurobiologix) and chlorella or clay, taken away from medication or herbs.
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I agree with ukcarry. I would get checked by the cardiologist and honestly all of this I would run by your doctor. Better always safe than sorry!
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An Epsom salt foot soak would not be as hard on your body as a full bath.
A gentle liver cleanse is the juice of 1/2 a lemon in warm water every morning.
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Coffee enemas work great.
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Thank you everyone for your help. The cardiologist has set me up for an echocardiogram, but honestly is unsure of what would be causing this.
Eighteen months ago I had a major heart issue where my left ventricle wasn't working right, and this they believe was a virus that attacked my heart.
So all signs seem to be pointing to perhaps the toxin die off or the lyme disease itself. However, I did not have any heart problems until 2 days after starting the medicine. But we will see what the echo says first.
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quote:Originally posted by mrsfarmer: I am thinking the heart issues are due to an overload of toxins.
I did not have any heart problems until 2 days after starting the medicine.
. When antibiotics kill Lyme bacteria, the liver uses more magnesium to detoxify the poisons left behind. So you may become deficient in magnesium.
Magnesium deficiency can cause palpitations and other heart irregularities.
Are you having other problems like anxiety, depression, insomnia, muscle twitching or spasms, sensitivity to light or sound? These are all symptoms of low magnesium.
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Since the last time was my first experience with the heart palpitations and racing in 18 months, I was unsure if it was related to the medicine or the toxins.
I started to feel much better the last few days, but then my doxy got upped (doubled the dose to help me tolerate it better) and it is back.
But the headaches are back, joint and muscle pain, and now the heart issues again. So believe I can conclude it is apart of the toxins and herxing.
I still have my echo this week to make sure the ventricles are working okay.
Does anyone know if the infrared causes any problems with the medicine? I know I shouldn't be in the sun with taking doxy, but is the infrared light okay?
I really appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions on this thread.
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I did the infrared on doxy and mino(I was on one or the other during that time) for a year- daily. I credit it to helping me detox Dr. H's then gold standard protocol including bicillin injections (I was on 3 abx at a time generally and ready to sock it to the Lyme- not being able to walk hardly had me ready to rumble so to speak). It also is said to intensify abx so I'd be really careful and get an all clear from your cardiologist and LLMD. I would think even a little bit would help you- but I'd let the doctors make that call. Seems to me if they thought easing into it was okay- you could immediately get out if you felt weird but honestly with the heart issues you've had- I WOULD NOT do anything without their okay. Bless you! You'll get through this! Posts: 859 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011
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Thank you willbeatthis. I have lots of appointments coming up to discuss all of this with the doctors.
I wasn't eased into the abx, we just started all three at once. So it was quite an adjustment Posts: 74 | From over here | Registered: Mar 2017
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