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josh123
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Hi All,

Wanted to check with you all whether Buhner herbs cure all forms of Lyme ex: biofilms, cyst?

If so could you please share info on what herbs are used to treat what form of Lyme..

Does the herbs cure Lyme completely or give relief only up to some percent?

Any one here got cured using the herbs completely and no remission after that? Or we continue to take these herbs to not to relapse after cure?

Any inputs and info are appreciated.

Thanks and Regards,

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It's going to be nearly impossible for anyone to answer these questions, especially

Q: "could you please share info on what herbs are used to treat what form of Lyme"

as Buhner's books are expansive chapters on how the various tick borne infections work, each one . . . how the body is affected . . .

as well as a chapter about each herb and its properties and then how they work together. Years - and years - went into those books and the information there is just too expansive to condense to a simple answer.

Also, to try to condense an answer and take it out of the context of the books could be doing it - and you - a huge disservice. The best approach is to read the author's word directly from his books, his websites, etc. for the reasons behind the suggestions.

Of course, for how certain herbs might affect people, that seems a reasonable thing to ask of others. For instance, I've noted some things in the Andrographis thread below. It's been excellent for me, yet some others have had different effects.

Yes, though, he does address biofilm and cystic form issues and certain herbs have properties that are useful in that endeavor.

As to if "his" herbs [they are not "his" at all but herbs that he writes about. He does not sell any herb yet offers some of the most reputable sources to obtain them and suggests the best forms to use.]

But, as it if the herbs he profiles in his various books have "cured" anyone here, that's going to be really hard to answer as most don't follow just those guidelines. There is so much mixing and matching and hop-scotching for most who go through all this.

If you can find one person who has done just any approach, that will be a rare find.

Still, I hope you might get some good positive answers.

Had I not wasted all my money on others before who did not know what they were doing, or had I been able to obtain actual treatment with a LLMD or LL ND, I might have been able to follow this plan to the tee but when I came to it, I could only afford one or two herbs at a time. So, I can't expect a grand success yet

I will say that these books have been essential to my very being. The knowledge here is - I think - essential to anyone with lyme / TBD on so many levels even if they choose another path.

Also, keep in mind that just about everyone has a different mix. Still, I hope you get some good answers by those who have been able to do the full scope.

And I hope you will be able to get all of Buhner's books on the various tick borne infections.
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Just one of many herbs explored in Buhner's books, but nothing here replaces the chapters in his books - those pages are best read directly from the books.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/119089?#000000

ANDROGRAPHIS paniculata - LINKS SET
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As to if once remission / recovery might be achieved by any methods, it seems that it is an individual thing as to if certain focused nutrients or herbal approaches are continued.

Likely in that in between stage and for a while until a good confidence is found then, the hope would be that excellent nutrition from foods might be enough yet some likely find that certain key herbs for foundational support to be helpful.

Some might find they need some continued "direct" action (as I call it) herbs with antimicrobial properties. It seems that this just varies so much.

From what I gather is that those who have the most assertive and "direct" approach to the specific infections - at dose, frequency and time - they tend to do better than those who just manage the situation all along [though for some with budget issues, it may just be the best they can do. I know.]
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I second Keebler. Buy the book, it's easy to read.

It's hard to explain it in details.

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Buhner's protocol is a support protocol , it won't cure a person. for support protocols it is the best one out there.
In order to actually cure a person you have to address a few things that he missed.
1. Calcification is the defense mechanism and biofilms are of minimal consequence.

http://nbprotocol.proboards.com/thread/13/calcification

2.Lyme disease (Bartonella) actively causes cancer and this cancer state is what some doctors are calling Post Lyme Disease Treatment Syndrome.

http://nbprotocol.proboards.com/thread/3/relationship-lyme-disease-cancer

If you address both of those and supply good nutrition so a person can heal as well as treting the infections themselves, and that becomes much easier when items 1 and 2 are treated then a person can actually cure themselves.

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Hey Jeff, are you actually cured by taking these NB supplements?

That would be amazing.

Which means, you are off 90% of these supplements and not relapsing?

For how long is your health already stable, not fighting lyme any longer?

I'm not doubting you, but I'd like to know, because I'm healed for the last 8 years, ...

...but it took me MUCH more than just the few things listed in this so called NB protocol to get healed.


I do agree there is a connection between chronic infections and cancer, and that both chronic lyme and cancer patients profit from similar treatments.


But you know, it's not something like in a 1 to 1 relation.

Not as easy to state in a cause-effect linear equation, if you see what I mean.


Just post your story, what you did, how long, how is your health in another thread so that we can follow your reasoning!


I also agree that Buhner's herbs alone will not work for everybody.


As for myself, I find acupuncture or meridian treatments essential for healing.

This is because many parts of the body are not receiving proper nutrition, have poor circulation of blood, lymph and energy.

Only acupuncture or energy treatments can make these areas unblocked, in my experience.

It does not matter which supplements, in which strong dosage you take: blocked areas remain blocked.

And that varies from person to person, even week after week, different points get blocked...

the older you are, the sicker you are, the more accidents you had, the more areas with blockades you'll have.

That is why acupuncture and TCM started about 5,000 years ago and still is used today in Asia and elsewhere.

it's not a problem with the supplements, herbs etc, if you see what I mean...

So in my opinion, or my experience, acupuncture or energy treatments, trigger point treatments, using light or rife or currents or voltage helps patients with lyme because it helps the herbs or supplements or nutrition to go where they can't go, only through ingestion.

Even believers of IV treatments cannot be sure the supplements or drugs are actually reaching inner parts of the brain, inside the bones, all joints, inner parts of the organs...

IV nutrition, vitamins, drugs will not reach all blocked areas just because it's IV.

Critters know where to hide, and they will hide as long as they can.

Dr K is mentioned that in the last lyme conference talk (the one that was broadcasted for free).


it's not a list of supplements or herbs that will solve that problem of blockades.

that's just my experience.

Buhner's herbs can work well theoretically, as your NB list of supplements too, but when you do that in several hundreds of people, there will be many that remain ill, no matter which dosage they take.

I believe there are other reasons that go above the biochemical level.

The electrical body and photon-body (as we all emit laser-like coherent light) must be addressed for the most ill patients.

For me, much more important than any biochemical supplement or herbs are then energy treatments: homeopathy, acupuncture, light treatments, cranio sacral adjustments, rife or current treatments, magnetism, psychological treatments that affect all levels of the body...

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Yes i am cured.
I live in Colorado and was an avid Mountain Biker and raced them in Winter Park,
when i was 48 I was stung on a mountain bike ride and got a huge EM rash but I didn't know anything about Lyme at the time , I just wrote it off as a very tenacious bug bite.

Over the next years I had some symptoms that I just wrote off as getting older, Chest pain, Pain in my feet and also developed this weird thing where when I got up to take a leak during the night I would sometimes pass out. After about 5 years My symptoms came on in a big way over about a months time , I started getting a lot of skin symptoms. My symptoms were so bad I had to leave my job. I went to 7 doctors and got 7 different diagnosis, the last one was a pathologist that took biopsies and told me I had Granlomaceous perforating skin disorder.

Out of sheer frustration and after considerable cost I gave up on them and started doing my own research.

I know I am cured because when you find something that actually works the experience will show you something. My skin looked really good but i had a lot of tumors that I couldn't even see UNTIL i found something that killed them. When you watch a 6 inch diameter tumor get killed and then watch it heal perfectly it is pretty compelling evidence. Plus all the myriad of problems I had that heald.

Cell Biochemistry works for everyone, it isn't selective because it is how everyone's body works. You just have to use the right things.

You said some pretty strange stuff as I have a pretty strong science background even before I had Lyme.

"as we all emit laser-like coherent light" Really? Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation, in order for that to be true the valance of the electrons in our bodies would have to be artificially stimulated and I'm sure you would feel that since it also generates tremendous heat.

Hahnemann wrote 6 editions of the Organon and the last one was written 200 years ago using all symptom observation, no microbiology or genetics, and that is what Homeopaths use today. I know as much about homeopathy as any current Homeopath since i studdied it extensively, I don't know exactly what you would call that stuff but it certainly isn't based on any real science.

I think any Rife or magnetic treatments should be questioned because those have an adverse affect on your body's own electrical fields and in turn are detrimental to a healthy genome.

As far as the NB protocol goes It absolutely does work to remove all these infections and the cancer too. It absolutely works and all the science that is peer reviewed from accredited Microbiologists and Geneticists is supplied to explain how and why it works.

I'm not against doctors, there are a few good ones. But there are also alot of them that just want to promote themselves and could care less about their oath of "Do No Harm"

I'm super healthy now and have been cured over 3 years, I still mountain bike and people tell me I look 40 although I'm 61. A silver lining is that you also learn how to reverse the aging clock to some degree.

I invite you to read the material so you can see the documented science that Lyme disease actively causes cancer and exactly how that is addressed with established science.

http://nbprotocol.proboards.com/

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The calcification idea is very interesting.

When I first got sick and didn't know what I had, I would sometimes take tums for severe acid reflux, but only as a last resort, because every time I took them I felt significantly worse overall.

I have never understood why, but this may be the reason.

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Keebler and Brussels,

Thank you so much for the links and the detailed info. I will buy the book and start reading.

Jeff Jeff,

You mentioned about calcification. What did you actually do to address this and second one you mentioned in your post?

Thanks and Regards,

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Hey Jeff, great to know you got rid of that skin cancer. So it was caused by infections, right?

If you are a scientific person, you should know about prof. Popp's research done long ago, I suppose?

In which field are you in?

Laser-like coherent radiation emission from cells is now accepted science. Even PubMed articles do not discuss that anymore.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6204761

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280714672_Biophotons-_The_Light_in_Our_Cells

Prof Popp's recent publication on biophotons


Just a last question:

If the NB protocol would work for everyone, how about people that absolutely cannot take sulfur supplements?

In your scientific-minded know all premise, you suppose that each person in this planet has the same biology, same reactions, and will react like a clock-mechanism to same supplements and treatments?

So it means that in-vitro testing would be all one needed for putting any medicine in the market?

I don't doubt you are cured, and I'm truly glad to know there are products and protocols working for different people.

but human beings are not like clocks.

There is a huge difference between in-vitro studies and in-vivo studies showing that the SAME product act different in different bodies.

If medicine were a science like engineering, all protocols would work equally to people.

Many people with lyme takes what is inside the so called NB protocol. I did that too, as far as I remember.

If just a fixed sequence of herbs and supplements would cure all cancers and lyme, believe me, we would know it!!

I wish it were true, but what works for one will not necessarily work for the other!

If you read any pharmaceutical research, you would certainly know.

but thanks anyway to post what worked for you. It's certainly good to know that fixed protocols such as Marshall, Salt and C, NB etc still work for some people.

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Just for your info, Jeff, I'm healed for the last 8 years. And so is my daughter.

And thanks to the non-scientific homeopathic nosodes transmitted by infrared, that boosted such low-grade biophoton emissions [Smile]

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How did an inquiry regarding Buhner turn into a promotion for this NB protocol?
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quote:
Originally posted by Badtick:
How did an inquiry regarding Buhner turn into a promotion for this NB protocol?

Good question. Now it can get back to the Buhner protocol!

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