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This may sound strange to many, but I was wondering if anyone else has heard of this alternative treatment or did it themselves.
Dr. K mentions using urine injections to treat lyme and babesia in his A Look Beyond Antibiotics Article.
I also heard that drinking urine (various methods/protocols) is a potent therapy for Malaria, so maybe it could be useful for babesia. It's actually mentioned in a lot of russian books about healing.
I am wondering if any of the alternative types on this board have heard of or tried this method. I realize that it is not for the faint of heart. I will definitely look into it further. Although this approach may sound a bit strange to some, I am completely sincere in asking if anyone has heard of/tried this method.
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Thanks for letting me know Scott- this is very encouraging. I am sorry it did not eradicate the babesia fully, but it may have helped if you herxed so much from it. I am sure that with all the treatment you did, you managed to lessen its load significantly.
I do think urine is a good method and it makes a lot of sense to me. Where did you find a doctor to do these injections? How would you go about finding one and what field would they be in? Did you work with Dr. K or somebody who studied with him? If you could give me a referral, I would very much appreciate it. I have no idea how to go about looking for someone knowledgeable in my area.
I may read those books about it more and see how they recommend to administer urine therapy for malaria via drinking it. Not sure if I should try it now since I'm about to get on IV Rocephin in addition to a lot of other herbs and medicine.
Thanks for your reply. With your persistance, and open mind, I am confident you will lick this thing- hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Alright,
I am here to tell you, I did the oral urine therapy. I was not going to post it, but I am. It is very difficult to talk about this for me, because it is not something I wanted to do, but did it to get well. I want to erase it from memory.
It was severely repulsive to me, but I did it to save my life. NEVER would I have thought I could do this, but I did it because I was getting SO sick,
I was off antibiotics, and could not get them, and I was dying. I mean it, I was dying, I am not saying this to be dramatic, it was the truth.
I started it, the Urine therapy when I started to relapse, with Air hunger and a sgrodens syndrome that had spread to my lungs.
I was breathing with a humidifier about 30times a day to wet my lungs and throat. I went to the Hospital, they did nothing, so I drank the Urine until I could see the LLMD.
It did not help me, I still relapsed. I was drinking it though, and I was crying when I drank it, because it was so disgusting to me, it took about 1 week to do it because I actually vomitted because I tried to drink it first time,
and it was so disgusting, I just threw up. I then tried again, and prayed and did it, I felt more energy, itched all over, felt VERY relaxed, but still slowly got sick again.
I read that it cured lyme on the internet, not the case for me. It was a therapy that REALLY made me take charge of my health, because as I was drinking it one day I thought,
I am doing this? and the Dr's are not listening to me how sick I am, I just lost it mentally with crying spells because this is what I was doing to save my life.
Some are not repulsed by doing this therapy, I was.
It did not work for me, I went back on antibiotics, with the LLMD again.
At this time, I was not knowing about RIFE, had I known about Rife, I would have done this. Rife was the only thing to really help with the air hunger, and it also helped the dryness sometimes, but also made it worse sometimes.
I rife in an emergency, if I cannot get antibiotics and it helps sometimes.
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There is a difference between oral urine therapy and urine injections. They do not have the same effect.
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I know, I read this, but I could only do oral therapy, that is all I had.
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My first reaction was oh my goodness gross. But I really don't understand this treatment.
I would be interested in reading about it just so I know what is out there. I can imagine being so sick that one would try it.
I am not at that point now, but before I judge something I would like to know more.
Can someone post a link to articles about this?
Trish I admire your honesty. I am sorry you were so desperate and upset about it, it makes me sad. I hope you are feeling better.
I am not saying anything bad or anything I just would like to know more.
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Scott- did Dr. K explain what the different effect is between oral therapy and the injections? If he explained anything on this topic, I'd love to hear it.
I gather the injections are more direct b/c they enter the blood stream, but maybe the oral therapy does something too.
I will post more about it after I read the books.
Trish- I am so sorry you had to go through that and about how you felt having to do it. Thanks for sharing your story though. I am glad you are getting treated now and hope you don't have to do anything that is so repulsive to you ever again!
I probably won't find doing this too bad after all the bitter herbs and bee venom I have tried. If it helps a bit it may be worth doing along with other things.
Also, it may be different depending on how much you have to drink and what the preparation is (maybe boiling first?). I will report back on this.
Here is the wiki article on it. The references it provides are the main U.S. sources advocating this.
This is by no means allthere is but I have not done much reading on this yet- have the books sitting there. I was reluctant to post about this, because I expect many would be very grossed out by this. But it is really an accepted and powerful folk healing remedy in Russia- as it is in so many of their books on natural healing.
There is nothing wrong with doing whatever you can, even if unconventional, to help yourself get out of this!
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As I understand the injections introduce fragments of bugs, DNA, etc. into the muscle tissue that then cause the surrounding immune system to go on patrol and recognize their presence.
To do the injections, it has to be done with a filter needle, etc. and thus be monitored and guided by a doctor.
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I think they train soldiers to use urine on wounds in an emergency.
I'd do it though. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to save your own life.
By the way, if there are any Rifers on here, 2950 helps me some. It is one frequency for h-pylori.
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To be fair...there are some Drs who have come up with injectable isolates from urine....one was here in the Houston area and has some success against brain cancer.
There is also some evidence that peeing on an arthritic joint or wound may have a healing effect.
Drinking pee is ridiculous...where does prozac in the reservoirs come from? who knows what crap you re-ingest. Yes I know there are primitives in India who drink pee...there are also people there who won't kill the mosquitoes that give them malaria.
Even talking about nonsense like drinking pee has prompted poor Trish to try it, and I'm sure makes the IDSA camp gleeful to see us discussing it seriously.
Picture them saying:' look at them nutcases drinking pee...next they'll be sticking pins in dolls...tick obsessed fanatics'
let's don't make this 'golden shower net'
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Yeah, there are some alternative doc's using it, but I wouldn't recommend it....it can leave you feeling really "pis*ed off."
I'm gonna look into a new Tx that I heard about where you rub feces all over your body, and then you take a steam sauna to help it penetrate deep into tissues. They're not really sure how it works, but it does seem to help some. On the other hand, it makes some people feel like crap.
I'm pretty sure that there is gonna be a write up in the Townsend letters soon about it....really, no Sh*t! Material provided by Infopoop Inc
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poor Trish is right, it was terrible.
I did this because I read it cured lyme, and I wanted to avoid antibiotics if I could, that is why I dont trust anything really except antibiotics and the Rife is my emergency backup.
I tell you, that is something I dont want to remember.
What we are put through to get well with Chronic Lyme is a crime, it is just so unfair and so wrong, we are human beings that are ill and all we want to do is be well, and live like the ones that are well.
We are then made out to be nuts, and some go nuts just about like myself sometimes, only because we are ill and want to be well.
how sad.
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it just doesn't make sense that something coming from your inside your body could make you better.
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If your diet isn't too great, the urine will not only taste pretty bad but it won't be nearly as effective at healing anything (from what I have read). So, keep that in mind.
And no, you can't boil it.
Thanks for sharing, Health. At least you had the courage to try it.
People who use urine therapy are not stupid or desperate or disgusting. ... Ghandi drank a glass of his own urine every day and was a pretty healthy guy, as have other healthy people. No one should feel embarrassed about it, even though some would love to make you feel that way.
Ignorance has always been a very poor teacher. And logic led us to believe that the Earth was flat.
People have recovered from some pretty serious illnesses with the use of urine therapy, so if you are still sick using some other treatment, you might want to think twice about judging.
The fact is, many pharmaceutical drugs today still contain natural or synthetic urea...... and women on Premarin seen to have no qualms about taking a drug made from pregnant mares' urine........
Despin, another option is homeopathic urine therapy. You would make a series of dilutions of the urine with water until there is virtually none of the urine left, and yet the properties of the urine remain. I'm sure you can Google this if there is no information on it in your books.
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Well, I've injected urine 1-2 times a week for six months or more in the past and I can tell you that without a doubt, the biggest herx reaction I had from anything came from it. I cannot speak to oral urine therapy as I have not done it and have no information about it, but injections definitely have an effect.
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Charlie said: >Even talking about nonsense like drinking pee has prompted poor Trish to try it, and I'm sure makes the IDSA camp gleeful to see us discussing it seriously.
Picture them saying:' look at them nutcases drinking pee...next they'll be sticking pins in dolls...tick obsessed fanatics' <
It doesn't look like that at all to me. I looks more like evidence of desperation from being so ill served by the medical establishment. More like an indictment of the failure of the medical establishment rather than evidence that we are all 'nutcases'.
I'm new to Lymenet and had heard good things about the support to be found on this board but your comments don't sound very supportive to me.
There are ways of questioning the value of alternative treatments without calling people 'nutcases' just because they are desperate enough to try something that is unorthodox. What good does that do?
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The truth is that Lymenet WILL be laughed at for discussing this seriously.
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Sassy....I'M not calling anybody a nutcase but the IDSA will and they'll make much of it on junk sites like quackwatch if they can.
So fortunately a few of us are keeping such silly topics liberally laced with humor because we wouldn't want anybody to think we take this nonsense seriously.
If you want to drink pee go for it. You probably get a homeopathic dose of it everytime you use the toilet just from the splashing anyway....don't you feel better now?
Except for the water diluting it....everybody knows that a combination of hydrogen and oxygen has a memory right? I thought it was just some metals that were inert substances possessing a memory of how to return to their original shape....Oh I got it....use spring water.....
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quote:Originally posted by cave76: But I don't understand how a 'big herx' can be proven to be:
a) A herx
b) An indication that it was doing anything 'positive' for you.
c) Anything but simply a reaction to the substance.
Now, I could use the same argument about antibiotics, couldn't I? Hmmm...
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A request for an Alternative Forum would be FANTASTIC! I support that as well. In fact, I have requested it but have not seen any action.
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I did not know I would provoke such an incredibly heated discussion with this urine therapy post. I completely agree with SForsgren's points here. People should do their own research and do what they think is helpful to them.
Frankly, I think open ridicule of these methods is not the answer. If you think this method is rediculous, you are also entitled to your opinion. But there is no need to ridicule others for their approaches.
An alternative forum would be EXCELLENT since so many of us are usng alternative treatments and have every right to discuss them.
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If there was a "vote" on such a forum, it did not include Lymenet members. I was never asked to vote. So, that may be an indication that the powers that be do not support a separate forum.
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I find the topic of Urine to be interesting, but what really interests me is our discomfort in stepping out of the box.
Do you realize how many women digest orally, HORSE URINE on a daily basis?
Women treat their hormone embalances with HORSE URINE. I guess if the Pharmacutical companies and doctors approve, we are ok with it, but if we do it on our own, there is a problem.
I bet we eat and drink far more disgusting things than urine, we just don't know about it.
We choose to put chemicals in our body in everyday eating and drinking.
Strange that we would get more freaked about our urine than eating animal body parts.
Anyone ever eaten a hotdog? LOL
Just my opinion.
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Oh BJG. You just had to say it! Yes, most women on hormone replacement are eating mare urine on a regular basis.
Thanks for pointing out the elephant in the room. Many likely missed it!
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....actually I was well aware of that, but i bet the hormonized horse urine really can't in any way match the subtleties, the nuances, of drinking a warm cup of sewage right out of the dispenser. Posts: 2804 | From Texas | Registered: Oct 2000
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When the bird flu scare was in full swing, I read an article by a doctor who explained that in an emergency, you could "recycle" your Tamiflu prescription by drinking your urine.
I googled for Tamiflu and urine, and found articles that explained that the medicine is excreted by the kidneys and is not broken down even by treatment in a sewage plant.
The River Po was found to be carrying the equivalent of nearly 4kg (8.8lb) of cocaine daily. The Po Valley is home to about five million people.
The estimated daily consumption "greatly exceeds official national figures," the report says.
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I know B, she has an exceptionally good sense of humor despite sharing my burning feet malady.
I think I may need to drink from the river Poo.
I can't find the original thread where we voted for an alternative forum then rescinded the vote...It was started by Troutscout I think. But I'm all for it now.
Heck I might even participate, the other day I came across a paper entitled 'A novel Rife-based Colon Cleanse using a cell phone as a suppository'
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Probably 911 If you actually tried it....
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I'm reading these posts to my daughter and I'm about to have an asthma attack laughing.
Her response..."if it comes to this, let me die".
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If there was a separate forum for Alternatives, then it would be a one sided forum. LymeNet is meant to spark discussion so those seeking information get a full spectrum of information.
Keeping the alternative and antibiotic topics under one forum will allow both sides to DISCUSS.
Please remember that we are not here to put down any method. If someone is seeking information on something, I sure hope he/she is not ridiculed for doing so.
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Drinking your own urine is supposed to be like a homeopathic remedy.
When I did it, it did make me feel a little better for awhile, but I still got sick, quickly. I had to start with DROPS of it, and work up.
I dont think it is funny, I really dont, I have had to use alternatives to get well or keep me alive when I was out of antibiotics, or could not get them because the LLMD was not available. I was relapsing, but they did stop my death.
Have you ever been faced with dying, and NO antibiotics were available, you may have done this therapy, to save your life.
REMEMBER, you may need this urine therapy one day, it will keep you alive for a little bit anyways.
Could you be put to the test one day like I was? could you be so ill you would rather die instead of drink your own
****?
come on, you wont really know until you are faced with it like myself.
I think it is SAD that we have to resort to these methods when the DR's wont listen to us, or we dont have the money because we are not covered by this disease that does not exist, to most Dr's, It is sad, it RIPS my
heart to shreds to think that I did this because NO antibiotics would be given to me, and the LLMD was not available, for reasons.
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I definitely was not mocking anyone on this board. I certainly understand the amount of despiration this disease brings us.
It didn't kill you. In fact, I have heard urine is sterile. Where I heard that I don't know.
You have courage to bring it up on the board. I really think the humorous comments made on this thread were just funny, but not insulting to anyone.
Hey, someone had to look at an oyster and say...yeah...I'll eat this loogy
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I feel a little bad....I wasn't mocking you, Trish but the insane setup that drives us to these extremes.
And the extremes we go to are where the humor originates, not the poor put upon people who have to resort to drinking pee or fish food tetracycline or whatever.
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I know you were not mocking me, no one was unkind to me, the opposite actually.
I just am upset. I am upset with this disease how it drains us.
that is all,
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The fact is, many pharmaceutical drugs today still contain natural or synthetic urea...... and women on Premarin seen to have no qualms about taking a drug made from pregnant mares' urine........
But it came from a pharmacy, Tracy, so it must be okay. Oops! Oh that's right. Women on HRT have a higher risk of stroke, heart attack.
Oh well, but lets just overlook all those pesky side effects. After all, it came from a pharmacy.
The same people laughing and jeering at urine therapy are the same ones who say losing your body parts to abx side effects is perfectly fine.
No, we should not have separate forums. People who don't agree with a thread should SOB! The exception is responses like Health who had a negative experience with the alternative therapy or drug. These personal experiences should be represented so we all can see both sides of an issue. Please note I said personal experience not personal opinion.
I really don't give a d@!# if IDSA or anyone else thinks we are nuts for discussing such things. Lot of good their superior knowledge is doing us. I think good ILADS doctors are exploring all avenues.
When I peruse lymenet I want to hear about ALL possible treatments. The next thing I do is not to run out and take the treatment. I research the net for further info and then I go in search of personal experiences. I avoid websites that sell the therapy as I feel they are biased.
I bet lots of people here do the exact same thing.
Tsk Tsk on those who would just jump in and try anything without research. Bet they also hang in there with abx that are doing them no good and causing them side effects. (not saying all abx no good, just there are cases reported here where a long period of tx and no better) At that point, it is time to try something different. I won't even do it without my doctor's approval.
To quote JimBob: "If you do what you always did, you will get what you always got"
I have not been asked to vote on separate forums either but if I did, I would vote no.
Just wish some of you would stop thinking you are holier than thou.
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Homeopathic dose = dilutions sometimes to almost no discernable substance left.
Arsenic (mentioned earlier) in homeopathic dose can be helpful if the indications for it are present (arsenicum album).
Vaccination principle... injecting small amounts of the pathogens we want to immunize ourselves against has been in wide use for a very long time. The scientific precedents have already been set.
Humor should only help the recovery process.
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DesperationIn, I don't know if you are interested, but there is a Urine Therapy Support Forum at CureZone: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=109
After finding out I had Lyme and reading a book about urine therapy a couple of years ago (given to me by my ND), I was ready to discuss trying the injections. But my ND closed his practice and that ended my opportunity to consider this.
Several months later, I learned that Lyme bugs had been found in urine (as Merrygirl pointed out), which is very troubling. Kelmo is right; urine is SUPPOSED to be sterile and not contain live pathogens, unless there is some sort of urinary tract infection going on.
Why is it that Lyme bugs can pass into the urine, whereas most other bugs can't? I've never found an answer to this.
Urine is not `sewage'. The kidneys get rid of those nutrients that we don't need immediately via the urine, as well as things like antibodies and other white cells. So, urine contains mostly unused or excess vitamins, minerals, immune `soldiers', etc. That's why urinating on an open wound helps PREVENT infection and promote healing, rather than creating infection.
Charlie said: ***''And the extremes we go to are where the humor originates.''***
Listen to DesperationIn, Charlie (and others). You see, it is only `humor' when no one in the group is offended by it. If someone is offended, then we have a lot of other terms for it, but ``humor'' isn't one of them. It's sort of like telling anti-Semitic jokes when the new Jewish guy is present...... I'm afraid that's just plain rude.
Luvgs2Ride said: ***'' I really don't give a d@!# if IDSA or anyone else thinks we are nuts for discussing such things. Lot of good their superior knowledge is doing us. I think good ILADS doctors are exploring all avenues.''***
No, kidding!! Are we here to keep up appearances, or discuss new and old methods of dealing with Lyme Disease?
Jenifer said: ***'' LymeNet is meant to spark discussion so those seeking information get a full spectrum of information.... Please remember that we are not here to put down any method .''***
Thanks for keeping an eye on us, Jenifer. Your efforts are appreciated.
Cave said: ***''I'm just asking that people examine urine therapy after a critical examination of it from all standpoints.''***
Then please be so kind as to let us do so, unencumbered.
BTW, I would vote `no' on the separate forums. It would not stop the useless and provocative comments, and would create a whole new forum for argument: ``Why did you post that on this forum? We don't want to hear about that here! You should have posted that in the Orthodox Medicine Forum!'', etc. With so many blended therapies going on, this would be a complete nightmare.
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: Well, I've injected urine 1-2 times a week for six months or more in the past and I can tell you that without a doubt, the biggest herx reaction I had from anything came from it. I cannot speak to oral urine therapy as I have not done it and have no information about it, but injections definitely have an effect.
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I don't think he posts here anymore, but you can reach him through his website www.betterhealthguy.com
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- There are so many other things - better things - to consider. Injections of urine can be very dangerous. -
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This is a thread from 10 years ago. I would say that if this "therapy" was viable, it would be highly sought after.
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I guess it is still viable and may be useful, but the problem is to find an MD willing to do those injections and not afraid of loosing his license.
Urine is simply BLOOD PLASMA.
But there will be people saying it's extremely dangerous to inject your own blood plasma back and willing to withdraw practitioner's licenses.
The kidney filters blood plasma, and that is what urine is.
What you sweat is basically urine.
There are also blood therapies: you inject back your blood. Autohemotherapy or something like that. It's also known and less 'repulsive' for most people.
Dr. W was using blood nosodes to treat several types of infections, right?
I would give a try on iv auto urine therapy if there were someone willing to do that (as I can't do it on my own).
It's not only for infections, but also for allergies and autoimmune problems.
for autoimmune diseases, I think this would be one of the first treatments I would try, if I had autoimmune problems. If I found someone to do that.
Not long ago, I was in vacations and had a bladder infection. I did not want to go to hospital and get antibiotics and spoil the whole vacations.
It was night, and I had terrible bladder pains and fever started. I felt terrible.
I decided to dilute my urine in the middle of the night, and prepare my own nosode. I drank drops of my diluted homeopathic nosodes, went to bed.
Next day, the pain got smaller, which was surprising. Usually, I can barely walk if I wait one whole night.
I took the nosodes for about 3, 4 days, and the infection did not progress. It healed completely on its own.
Usually, the only time I will take antibiotics is during a bladder infection. They are terrible, painful, and so fast to develop, I hate them.
When I reach the ER, I'm usually in so much pain and still have to wait hours for their damn urine exams to become positive, to get the antibiotic, because they never believe it's a bladder infection.
Now, if I get that again, I will immediately start diluting my own urine and preparing my own nosodes, no doubt.
It does have the pathogen inside, it is not 'clean' in that sense, but I can also add vodka to it before diluting it, to kill pathogens, it will work too. That is what I would do next time.
I can also re-add vodka after diluting it, and there won't be anything alive by then.
Nosodes are not autourine therapy, as they are extremely diluted, but it's just to give you an idea what urine as a source of 'information' can do.
The same way that blood, as a source of information can become a remedy on its own.
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