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lindadanis
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I have had major anxiety for a year and have tried a few antidepressants, such as celexa and Zoloft. Can someone who has been on them recommend one that is great for anxiety. that is far more my problem than depression. My llmd wants me to start wellbutrin but I have read it does nothing for anxiety, actually can make it worse.

I also take Ativan three times a day .05 each time and am trying to wean off of them since they are not doing much either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

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Hi, I’m new here. Here for my son. I currently take Wellbutrin and it’s has helped me as I hold my anxiety/stress in my bladder. I know weird. My son takes 60 mg of Prozac and that has helped him greatly. Not much side effects for him. But it really depends on you, sometimes it’s just trial and error and it can take awhile to get right meds. He currently tested positive for B. Duncani. His SPECT scan shows a good amount of depression.
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Wellbutrin certainly made me much worse. For a couple weeks, it was helpful to energy and a little better endurance - but then, it turned on dime and my legs would not work to hold me up.

I would fall, just sitting straight up, a "drop seizure" -- even at low dose. No warning. Just ka-plomp! Later, years later, found out this can happen with this drug.

Even 5, then 10 mg of Prozac zoomed me to the moon at week 3 - just one day, it was rocket fuel to me. Again, that's my body but I've heard of some others who had similar reactions.

The problem is that many of these chemical drugs - they can work in some but those folks tend to know it's helping fairly soon into it.

For me / some others, they actually cause anxiety for me, terribly - also for many people. They nearly killed me, one after the other with trials that all were just torture.

But I think it's not just unrealistic but bad science to even think that any one drug will work the same in even half the population as there are just so many physiological variables.

Even at low dose, these caused my brain to go into all kinds of "shock" so to speak.

And I was so suicidal (happens with the liver is toxic and adrenals are damaged, too) most of the time -- all from these drugs that were supposed to help but did the opposite for me. I should have listened to my body early on that my body just cannot "be" with any of these kinds of drugs.

I found better ways through naturopathic medicine, etc. But it took time -- mostly - lyme or other TBD must be adequately addressed.

At that time, Google had not yet even been created. So I had no way to really research. Today, though, it takes far more than just a Google search to find the real information on any drug since the companies buy up so many of the domains, it takes a lot of digging to find objective articles.

I also did not yet know that I had 3 tick-borne infections.

Found out later that these drugs can be toxic and are actually over stimulating when they cause liver stress or adrenal tampering in the wrong ways.

Most psych drugs are also toxic to the inner / middle ear (vestibular system) and that can cause terrible anxiety with that system is put off kilter.

Some people also just cannot process the chemicals in psych drugs. Some may do fine but if you've been trying for a year and find no help it seems that there may be a far better way to consider with nutrients - and be sure of infection treatment.

Have you used steroids in the last 6 months? Any kind at all? No need to reply but, if so, that can cause severe anxiety for many reasons.

Bottom line: it is best to get this advice from an ILADS educated LLMD or LL ND who is working with you, who knows your case - what infections you deal with and the shape of your liver / kidney / adrenals, etc.

But, you say that your LLMD suggests wellbutrin. Have they first got you on solid liver support?

On solid adrenal support?

Suggested gluten-free diet?

Checked your nutrient levels?

Got you on a good MAGNESIUM?

If no to those questions, I would question the ability of the doctor to be thorough. Not all LLMDs know about support methods but most patients require such supports, not just chemical drugs to alter the brain chemicals. Go back to determine your liver / adrenal support methods to see if they need adjusting.


Are all infections being addressed directly and assertively - along with liver & adrenal support methods - by an ILADS educated LLMD or LL ND?

If not, do you have some other way that firmly addressed the science of the infections

& also employ liver & adrenal support?
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Are you gluten-free? While I later found out that I do actually have celiac, others who may not also have reported that their mood improves when stopping all foods with gluten:

wheat; spelt; kamut; faro; barley & rye (I think that's it but check with a celiac website).

If you are not 100%, free of all traces of gluten even in lip balm . . . then this might help. Do a trial few months and at a later time you can also be tested for CELIAC. Or test now.

But don't do that snip out of the stomach biopsy. Get a GENETIC test done. More accurate results, less invasive.

Even many Rx contain gluten, so that also needs to be considered.

It is worth it. For some, just going off gluten can life a heavy fog . . . worth finding out. Gluten (and dairy, corn) can contribute to inflammation and inflammation can made mood matters worse during such intense illess as lyme / TBD.

Even if not celiac, most LLMDs and LL NDs strong encourage those with lyme / TBD to go gluten free at least until well into remission [those with celiac, though, are usually pleased to avoid gluten for life. I sure am].

Organic foods matter, too.
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Are you getting enough food? Real food? I just recalled when I tried for years to be a good vegetarian. I was miserable. When I started eating meat again (organic, free range, etc.) . . . that helped a lot to lift my mood & settle my blood sugar, too.

Too often, anxiety can be the result of unstable blood glucose. Protein, good fats and lots of color in good carbs helps.

Just a thought. I also remember starving so many years since I had been overweight my whole life (I'd also been ill my whole life -- and swollen, inflamed, maybe not really fat).

Just remember that food is essential so be sure to eat enough, often enough and the cleanest sources.

Now, some vegetarians do well. I look a Paul McCartney and wonder how he can do so well but it nearly sent me down the gutter. Body types can vary tremendously.

Make sure your foods make you feel stronger, better, and more stable with blood sugar throughout the day.
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Alcohol tinctures also negatively impacted anxiety for me. If you take any alcohol herbal tinctures - or alcohol drop homeopathics - pay attention to how you feel with those.

Taking them in water can help but it just depends on your own reaction. Even "Rescue Remedy" a homeopathic that is meant to calm was like a match to a rocket for me, literally. It would send anxiety to the point of blasting -- and lowered seizure threshold so I would "go flying" as I put it.

I can only do a very few alcohol tinctures - if in warm (not hot) water and let them sit / swirl for a bit ti dissappate the alcho.

Never will I do any alcohol drops for homeopathics yet the under the tongue pellets work okay. My body just seems to have an allergic reaction to alcohol when it touches my tongue.

This might not be you but, just in case, do pay attention to how you feel if you take any alcohol products as they can create a very strong reaction, even just a little in the mouth.

I do assume you don't consume any recreational alcohol, though. I'm talking about the tinctures / homeopathics.

I've never run across another person who had this kind of reaction. though, but I know there might be others who do and this made me miserable all the time I "tried to make it work"

I will never let anyone tell me again, "well, it's not supposed to do that" or that "I've never seen that before in anyone else"

I new what my body was doing. It took me time to stand up for that.

hint: if something is too miserable and you try to make it work, something is wrong. Something has to change. And so much can be altered for nearly any protocol.

Yet, I see you deal with Babesia and are taking mepron. Both those things can be a huge weight with mood issues.

You may have to just wait out some of the anxiety at times - what might help is "forced rest" in a dark and quiet room. It helped me at times but it's hard to settle down when the body is in such a state.

Assertive rest might sounds more amenable. Dark, quiet room. It matters so much.

Lyme / TBD treatment is truly rough & tumble, yet . . . be mindful as to how your body is doing with each step. Strong reactions might not always be telling you good things.

Be sure the supports are there during the roughest parts. I can't promise it won't be miserable much of the time but I do know that, often, there are things that make it at least a bit better if we look around.

I see that you have just posted for a new doctor. I hope you find a good LLMD &/ or LL ND.
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Keebler, thank you again for all your words of wisdom and support. Like I said before, I have used this lyme doctor 15 years ago when my daughter had lyme and that is why I am back with her. In my state, there are not a lot of lyme doctors and I unfortunately cannot travel far, therefore, leaving me with her. NO, NO, and No she has done none of the above as far as liver, adrenal support, nothing. She just told me on the very first appointment that my anxiety is out of control and needs to be fixed before she can "ramp" up the treatment plan, whatever that means.

I see her April 11th to discuss further. I will ask these questions that you have brought to my attention and see what she has to say. I did try the Wellbutrin for the past four days and honestly it hypes me up more and I am waking up in the middle of the night now. I did not take it today nor am I continuing. I want to get myself off this Ativan that I have been on for a year. I would like to see what my body feels like without all this crap in me. I am weaning down as we speak.

On another note, I saw my endo who I have had and loved and trusted for 20 years for my diabetes and grave diseases. I told him about my lyme and babesia and he said " what kind of a doctor is she who does not take insurance". He was appalled that I was even seeing such a doctor.

I tried to explain to him that I did not come out positive through the regular labs and I went to her for help. He said he would not believe a word she said, that she was in it for the "money". I left his office feeling very defeated. How do we exlain what this is all about to the main street doctors? They don't even want to understand. This doctor has had lyme twice but fortunately has seen the bullseye rash and got treated, however, the second time around, it attacked his heart and lung and he ended up in intensive care but said today "he is fully recovered with doxy.

I wonder how much of my anxiety is "Ativan withdrawl or rebound anxiety" and how much of it is babesia or lyme. I am lost Keebler, I am not sure what to do. I shake most of the day. don't know why, either I am hot shaking or cold shaking. Not sure where to turn.

Thanks again for your kind words.

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"Ativan withdrawl or rebound anxiety" needs to be done very, very carefully. And good support for adrenals, liver, too.

Also, with babesia often comes anemia. the red bloods just don't last long so that creates an anxiety as your body knows its being bombarded.

Have you had your red blood cells checked / anemia?

If you have anemia, iron might be hard to handle but Stinging Nettle -- or a liquid herb mix that name escapes me . . . can help.

Boston has a naturopathic college, I think. At least back in the '70s when I was there briefly. If still so, they may have a sliding fee scale clinic.

As to what your endocrinologist is telling you, he may have hand lyme but fails to be really LL.

Q: How do we exlain what this is all about to the main street doctors?

Just don't. Unless you are strong and able to talk well, sometimes best to just take what they can share with you for what you see them for and keep this other part quiet. Sigh.

Still, not all doctors can know everything about everything. You know the medical system has trained him to say and think what he does. Still trust him for his part - and in time you will learn to stand strong about other aspects.

Just don't go sharing the name of an LL doctor with other mainstream doctors. You might share ILADS physician training program link, though - or their conference detail.

If you take any other Rx (for diabetes or other) check side effects.

Graves disease can cause anxiety, too, often as a follower to fatigue.

Babesia - the deep fatigue it causes - will influence Graves, but a LL doctor is best to deal with that.

I do not suggest stopping any Rx or even adding herbs without ND guidance but you might want to explore BERBERINE for it has some good effects regarding diabetic issues as well as with lyme. And it sure helps my mood to be stable.

I can't write anymore, I'm toast. Hope others will help yet, still,

know that this can get better. Connect with your lcoal lyme suppot groupsl
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When you feel the pressure build. Stop. Loosen the nob on your pressure cooker --- or your clothing, put on soft music and just stop and be and breathe. Stop, breathe and lie down so head is horizontal for a while.

As with Scarlet O'Hara, you may not be able to deal with this today . . . you can deal with it tomorrow.

When you are breathing steady:

I hope you can get his book and read what he writes about babesia / artemisinin, etc:


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/125791

Zhang Protocol


Also, an excellent and LL master herbalist,

Stephen H. Buhher has many books about lyme / TBD and a good website.
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low dose sertraline or CBD oil
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Rebound from ativan withdrawal can be VERY intense .. you will need to reduce it VERY SLOWLY or you will crash your system.

Take it slowly. I would take at least 6 months to a year to reduce from 1.5 mg.

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yes I know you have to cut it very slowly or you can have seizures. I have some cbd oil in the house, never used it. Bob G., can I use this while trying to wean off the Ativan? Meaning using the two together? My doctor told me to wean down the Ativan by 1/2 pill every three weeks and I am on three pills a day .05 per time totaling 1.5 Ativan a day. Does this sound right.
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hon, I am pretty sure your biggest problem at the moment is withdrawal.

My dad was on three pills a day for yeeears... he tried to go off them by eliminating half a pill and totally collapsed.

It was so bad, his dr. decided he had better not ever try to get off them!

I am not saying YOU can't ever get off them. Just be aware that withdrawal can give you tremor and just about everything awful you can think of mental wise....

best wishes my dear. If I were you I would keep trying the wellbutrin. It can take a while for these meds to work and your body to adjust.

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I agree with foxy .. 1/2 pill every three weeks may be too fast. Go easy.

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sorry I meant to say 1/4 of a pill every three weeks. I was on 3 mg. a daily going back to last March. I have cut it in half so far, I am down to 1 and a half pills per day meaning .05 three times a day. I am going slowly under a doctors advice. thanks so much for all your input. I appreciate it
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Your history of Graves Disease is key here. Please get ALL thyroid levels checked.

What you are experiencing sounds more like body in overdrive with that severe feeling of anxiety.

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Wellbutrin is commonly used for treatment of anxiety.

Rarely used as an atypical antidepressant only when other meds aren’t tolerated.

Ask your trusted pharmacist.

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**Warning for anyone diabetes**

Please consult pharmacist before taking Berberine (or similar herb) as herb & medication interactions can be fatal.

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Thanks Sammy for your advice. yes I will take the wellbutrin again today. I am only taking a half of pill which is 37.5 per the doctor's advice. It hasn't even been a week so I will continue trying. I did have my thyroid checked and the levels are low, very low not high so the medication has been adjusted. I have had Graves Disease for 35 years and once treated, no problems, then out of the blue when this crazy anxiety started last year, my grave disease started to act up, such as more bulging of the eyes, severe dryness of the retina and now the light bothers it so much I cannot drive sometimes.

I am seeing a specialist for my eyes and he said it is connected to the lyme. I would have to agree with him since my babesia testing came out positive for an "active infection" meaning it probably started last year along with a positive lyme test.

My anxiety is weird, hard to explain, sometimes I just shake, my whole body shakes and that is what makes my anxiety high I cannot understand why I am shaking. I wake up in soaking wet drenched body, my hair is soaked right down to the scalp, not every night but a lot of the times. I feel hot a lot of the day yet I am shaking. I feel like my adrenal gland is so messed up but my endo has checked it and said it was fine.

My llmd I have seen just once. she has not done any bloodwork on me and I am wondering if she should but not sure what to ask her to run. So as you can see, I am lost so that I why I started the wellbutrin, she said to start it right from the very first meeting. I see her in two weeks.

My daughter had lyme 15 years ago so I am not new to this but she did not have babs and I have very different symptoms than her. She was treated for five years and did recover 99%. fortunately.

I appreciate lymenet more than you know, I remember going on this site for endless information when I was dealing with a young girl fighting this terrible disease at age 15. I like this doctor but she hasn't told me much about herxing, detoxing, etc. so I will ask my questions in two weeks.

thanks again for your help

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Sammy, the other thing I wanted to mention is I have heard Wellbutrin helps people stop smoking and I wish I could stop so this medication sounded great to me. I did not take a pill yesterday, can I just restart today since I only have been on them since last Saturday? I think we spoke before, you are a nurse, correct?
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a LL ND or LL acupuncturist to help you in the transition. Hypnotherapy can be a tremendous help, too. Restorative yoga, or other kinds of calming movements, too.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=121119;p=0

Breathing Fresh Air (or Stop smoking) links to help
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linda, you say: "My anxiety is weird, hard to explain, sometimes I just shake, my whole body shakes and that is what makes my anxiety high I cannot understand why I am shaking.

I wake up in soaking wet drenched body, my hair is soaked right down to the scalp, not every night but a lot of the times. I feel hot a lot of the day yet I am shaking. I feel like my adrenal gland is so messed up but my endo has checked it and said it was fine."

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Those were the same babesia symptoms that I experienced.

Most endocrinologists are not aware of the complex issues with lyme / babesia / TBD. Though, when the infections are adequately addressed with support measures, much of the anxiety is usually better managed until time of remission.


To help you better tolerate treatment, timing of any liver support has to be done away from Rx, especially with Mepron. Smokers, especially, require good liver and kidney support and that might also be able to help the blood vessels issues that smoking causes.

With kindness, the best support for your body would be to breathe only fresh clean air - yet - it's best to get professional help for that, an acupuncturist is most likely the best start.

With all Rx, smoking can complicate the side-effects, too. So be sure to consider that. It also complicates kidney stress.

So be kind to yourself as you take an objective assessment over what all is in your "soup" mix and what is not good to have in there and what is good.

Also to consider what adds to the anxiety: "sticky blood" - lyme - and more so babesia cause the blood to be very thick adding to the complications.

Fibrinogen levels should be checked.

Red Blood Cells should be looked at, too, to consider anemia or other issues. Babesia can affect red blood cells.

All this support detail, you might want to just go for the basics - and basics in food / nutrients and then really focus on Babesia treatment that has a chance of working.

Please do not delay babesia treatment - and it has to be combination. Mepron, alone, is not a good idea at all. Other direct target Rx / supplements (like Artemisinin, crytolepis) must also be on board at the same time.

When just a single anti-babesia agent is used, babesia can fast become resistant and so much harder to treat. Never underestimate the power of babesia. It's a real force to be understood in order to reckon with it.

Yet, it's important to find a protocol that you can tolerate. If it's too much, some kind of changes can usually be made - while still directly impacting Babesia. Many have reported that Cryptolepis was easier, better - as part of the targeted protocol.


Magnesium deficiency is common with lyme and most LLMDs strongly suggest this as the most important support. There are different types, oxide - the cheapest - is NOT advised for many reasons. More detail.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123746;p=0

Topic: MAGNESIUM - Informational Links set

The BEST support for anxiety, too.


CoQ10 - also vital to consider. As Mepron must be taken with some fat, too, be sure it's a very healthy fat. But be extremely sure to study up on CoQ10. Many Rx deplete it. Without in, all kinds of neurological damage occurs.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.

The most common - and basic liver support is MILK THISTLE. Suggested in Burrascano's guidelines and by many other LLMDs. Always time away from Rx. Detail above.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT

One of the most common adrenal supports is CORDYCEPS, suggested in Burrascano's guidelines, as well. ASHWAGANDHA is also a common one to start with.

You should probably not take Rhodiola, though, as it can be too stimulating for some.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/115218

CRYPTOLEPIS sanguinolenta

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When your doctor checked your adrenals - was it a blood test or saliva test?

The saliva test is the correct one with 4 test tubes to fill throughout the day.

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it was a blood/urine test I believe. No saliva test was ever done. maybe my llmd will do one, who knows? I am a mess today, I think its the wellbutrin kicking in, I feel so hyper, spacey, not back to sleeping, up since 3am past two nights, cannot lay down and nap, cannot settle down at all. I need help and I need it soon or I am going out of my mind. All I do is cry off and on. wondering if the mepron is causing the blues on top of things.
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Sorry but as you can see I can get very panicky when I am not feeling right, most days I don't but today was horrible. I keep telling myself that an antidepressant is going to help but about a week into them, this is exactly how I get. I spoke to my therapist today who is not lyme literate and she wants me on lamictal. I am so afraid to even start another drug, I guess this is a mood stabilizer. It was my llmd who suggested wellbutrin. I just pray I sleep tonight.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamotrigine

Excerpts:

Lamotrigine, sold as the brandname Lamictal among others, is an anticonvulsant medication used to treat epilepsy and bipolar disorder.[2] . . . .

. . . Common side effects include sleepiness, headache, vomiting, trouble with coordination, and rash.[2]

Serious side effects include lack of red blood cells,


[poster interjection here: With babesia, this could create a much more serious anemia. Babesia causes decreased, diseased red blood cells. I cannot imagine this would be an okay drug for anyone with babesia, but if you consider it, do a ton of homework first - and a LL doctor]


increased risk of suicide, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and allergic reactions.[2] . . . .

. . . Lamotrigine is a phenyltriazine, making it chemically different from other anticonvulsants.[2] How it works is not exactly clear.[2]

It appears to increase the action of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the main inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system and decrease voltage-sensitive sodium channels.[4][2] . . . .

Side-effects

Lamotrigine prescribing information has a BLACK BOX WARNING about life-threatening skin reactions, including

Stevens–Johnson syndrome (SJS),

DRESS syndrome and

toxic epidermal necrolysis (TEN).[39]

The manufacturer states that nearly all cases appear in the first two to eight weeks of therapy,[39] or if the medication is suddenly stopped then resumed at the normal dosage. . . .

. . . Side-effects such as rash, fever, and fatigue are very serious, as they may indicate incipient Stevens–Johnson syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis, DRESS syndrome or aseptic meningitis.[41]

Other side-effects include loss of balance or coordination; double vision; crossed eyes; pupil constriction; blurred vision;

dizziness and lack of coordination; drowsiness, insomnia;

anxiety;

vivid dreams or nightmares;

dry mouth, mouth ulcers;[39]

memory problems; mood changes; itchiness; runny nose; cough; nausea, indigestion, abdominal pain, weight loss; missed or painful menstrual periods;

and vaginitis.

The side-effect profile varies for different patient populations.[41] Overall adverse effects in treatment are similar between men, women, geriatric, pediatric and racial groups.[42]

Lamotrigine has been associated with a decrease in white blood cell count (leukopenia).[43] . . . .

. . . Women are more likely than men to have side-effects.[47] . . . .
. . . There is evidence showing interactions between lamotrigine and female hormones, which can be of particular concern for women on estrogen-containing hormonal contraceptives. . . .

. . . Other types of side-effects

Lamotrigine binds to melanin-containing tissues such as the iris of the eye. The long-term consequences of this are unknown.[53]

Some patients have reported experiencing a loss of concentration, even with very small doses. Lamotrigine has been implicated in the apoptotic neurodegeneration of the developing brain.[54] . . .

. . . However, a retrospective study of 109 patients' medical records found that 6.7% of patients experienced an "alerting effect" resulting in intolerable insomnia, for which the treatment had to be discontinued.[60] . . . .
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You could be experiencing a reaction to wellbutrin. Any drug that can lower the seizure threshold can certainly create anxiety - and the shaking that you report could be related, too.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion

Bupropion is a medication primarily used as an antidepressant and smoking cessation aid.[7][8][9] It is marketed as Wellbutrin and Zyban among other trade names. . . .

. . . The most important side effect is an increase in risk for epileptic seizures, which caused the drug to be withdrawn from the market for some time and then caused the recommended dosage to be reduced.[10] . . . .

. . . Contraindications

The drug label advises that bupropion should not be prescribed to individuals with epilepsy or other conditions that lower the seizure threshold,

[poster's interjection: lyme, itself, lowers the seizure threshold. And if you have not had any seizures, that's great. But I know them all too well.

Nothing should be given to a person with lyme / TBD that can lower the seizure threshold for once one "breaks through" the threshold can be lowered from there on out.]

. . . The label recommends that CAUTION should be exercised when treating people with liver damage, severe kidney disease, hypertension, . . . in children, adolescents and young adults due to the increased risk of suicidal ideation.


[poster's interjection: lyme, babesia, smoking creates circulation & toxicity issues for liver & kidneys . . . adding this drug could be just too much -- and if it might make someone lean toward thoughts or impulse of suicide, IMO, it's not worth that risk.]

Side-Effects

Epileptic seizures are the most important adverse effect of bupropion. A high incidence of seizures was responsible for the temporary withdrawal of the drug from the market between 1986 and 1989. . . .

Psychiatric

Suicidal thoughts and behaviors are rare in clinical trials, and the FDA requires all antidepressants, including bupropion, to carry a boxed warning stating that antidepressants may increase the risk of suicide in persons younger than 25.

[Poster's interjection: uh, if it might cause such in someone under 25, sure could in someone older, too.]

. . . Bupropion-induced psychosis may develop in select populations, or worsen a pre-existing psychotic syndrome.[59] Symptoms may include delusions, hallucinations, paranoia, and confusion. . . .

. . . Interactions . . . .
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The above excerpts are just a start to researching the ramifications of these Rx.

But, right now, can you just stop? Just stop thinking about what other drug might rescue you? I know - believe me - I know that it's such a draw to think that there might be some antidote that you could just take today / tomorrow and have the anxiety decrease.

I've had adrenal reactions after forced asthma inhaler steroids that sent me to the ceiling for days and I would have shot Smokey the Bear for some antidote in pill form.

But I just had to wait it out. All the things I suggest in previous posts - and I know it's likely too much - yet it's a resource to have for further study and it's all also hope, I hope.

First and foremost:

WHAT IS YOUR DINNER MENU for this evening?

This matters the most right now. A very good dinner.

A good protein.

Two bright vegetables.

Maybe some black rice, quinoa or a potato.

Blueberries or some kind of berries / cherries / walnuts.

Mint Tea.

Might you be able to do something like this?

If you can't settle down, please put on soft music and just lie down and take your mind to some place pleasant or go for some mad dancing in gorgeous costumes. Put your mind into a fun zone if it won't settle down. Hope that might help.
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thanks Keebler, I think I am staying OFF ALL THESE MEDICATIONS. they do not agree with me and I have enough issues with babesia and lyme. My llmd actually was the one who first mentioned lamictal, weird hah? I am now wondering if I trust her or not
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The wellbutrin you took today will likely take a day - or 3 - to work its way through your nerve endings.

Are you taking magnesium?

That really is the best anti-anxiety helper in the nutrient world. As mentioned before, though, since you are taking mepron do not take any supplement at the same time.

Always take 2 or 3 hours away, both clock directions.

And probiotics are also key for the brain -- the gut-brain connection is a major one. Keeping your gut in balance helps with brain chemical balance, too.
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I am not the one looking for drugs, it is my therapist and llmd that want me on them.
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The thing is that when you tell them what you are experiencing, most doctors only know how to do one thing: match your symptoms with a pill. It's what they do.

In most cases, a therapist who is not LL is just not adequate or able to counsel someone with lyme.

Some therapists might tend more toward pills in the first place, too, rather than talk therapy or behavioral therapy techniques or visualization.


Most LLMDs, real LLMDs might not just try to give you psych drugs at every turn, though.

Some might suggest one but would be more mindful of the side effects . . . then also will try to explain more what is going on that is causing your experiences, why, and if you have to wait it out or what kind of other Rx might be better.

And, most good LLMDs would also be sure you have the basic supports on board first. The kinds of things for liver & adrenal support.

In addition to a good magnesium, such as Magnesium L-Threonate . . . adrenal supports such as Cordyceps or Ashwagandha can also be of help to settle the over active adrenal push.

You are also tapering down off a another very powerful psych Rx. That can be a major effort. Be sure to follow the protocol precisely. You may be going down too fast or not have the right supports in place.

It also seems dangerous to be going off one while adding others. So the suggestions of yet another one added seems concerning. Be careful. Take care.
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I am going with my gut feeling on this and continue to wean down off the Ativan and stay off all antidepressants for now. I am surprised that this lyme doctor even mentioned lamictal, however Keebler, I told you right from the beginning, I was not going on that drug. thanks for your advice.
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