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can babesia be treated with herbal protocol only? I was on mepron and ABABS for two months and still no change at all. I am seeing my llmd next week and am thinking of asking about a herbal protocol. Any suggestions. My biggest symptom is not being able to breath, such shortness of breath. Need relief soon!!!
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I don't know of any except artemisinin which needs to be paired with a macrolide.
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- Two months time is very short time for any of the tick borne infection treatments. It appears that only one of the things you are using has direct action against babesia, though. Combination treatment of two or more substances that directly target this protozoa are required.
I may be mistaken but if I recall correctly the last time I checked as to what exactly "ABABS" is - it seems like just support. If you have a direct link to the manufacturer's webpage on that product, that would be of help to see ingredients. Google won't give me much just on that term.
Still, books by both authors being are required (yes, I think "required" no matter what approach is taken) because they explain so very much, not just about their approaches but how this protozoa works against us and what we need to know.
I don't know how anyone with lyme / TBD could proceed without the detail in all these books. And the authors' websites can offer more recent insights as well.
Also required are the books by LLMDs / ILADS minded authors Dr. H & Dr. S. Both have excellent books that are simply "required" knowledge -- and so helpful to any patient regardless of the protocols being used. Both Dr. H & Dr. S offer both Rx & herbal detail.
To the left, find the tab for "Babesia" to see his lastest information. The do a full search for other entries. -
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- When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways. Proper ASSESSMENT of not just lyme but coinfectoins is vital. Someone trained by ILADS is best to assess.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
For those considering complementary support methods / or other avenues entirely:
Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.
BOOKS - Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
knowing which methods offer assertive & direct impact, which are only support and which are both. And when to use what, how to combine, & when to step back.
You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .
BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever - not if there is inflammation in the spine with active infection. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
Links here to two major sources: Buhner, & Zhang. Be sure to get their books.
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thank you very much. This particular doctor is one of the best in my state, however, she did have me on mepron with zith but I couldn't tolerate it so she is the one who added in the ABABS. I did found it on google and it seems it has a lot of properties in it to hit babesia also. I will ask her next week to add in something else with the mepron to hit it hard. I have a lot of issues with antibiotics as I am sure many of you do and I do read and watch a lot of these videos.
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My hubby found rifing for babesia was really helpful.
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- you say: " . . . will ask her next week to add in something else with the mepron to hit [the babesia] hard . . . ." (end quote)
That's not always the best approach. Direct, assertive action specifically against the microbe matters but as for
degree of intensity, that can get dangerous if it's too intense. It's about being wise in the attach, not the most forceful.
How your body may react, and especially your mood - is of key import. Babesia treatment can be especially hard on the brain, liver and adrenals that all help manage mood.
Just ask her to explain the concept with the treatment plans so that you understand all bases are covered. Hitting it harder is not the goal. Covering it correctly is.
And, you might want to consider RIFE machine treatments. -
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Neko, you said you took mepron for a month, is that it, just one month? Did the herb help you at all and did you herx from it? I might of asked this before, I believe you are not that far from me, could you pm me with your doctor's name. Sorry if I already asked but my computer broke and I lost a lot of older stuff on it. Thanks for any help you can provide me.
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Artemisinin Essientials (liposomal artemisinin) by Hopkington Drug is amazing, but the herx's are pretty tough. I take it 5 days per week, 3 weeks on, 1 week off. Ramp up from 1 capsule per day, to 1 capsule 2x / day, to 2 capsules in AM and 1 in PM, to 2 capsules 2x / day.
I think Hopkington now has it manufactured by "Doctor Inspired Formulations." A great product.
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