tricia386
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Hi All-
So I have been dealing with SIBO/ Histamine issues. GI Map showed. Enterococcus faecium 1.30e5 High Streptococcus spp. 1.43e3 High Candida spp. 1.26e4 High Secretory IgA 344 Low Zonulin 169.9 High
My LLMD also ran a Lyme panel Igenix. So here is what happened I treated lye aggressively for 4 years. And was in remission doing great.
This summer I took zithromax before a vacation to Greece and came down with awful GI symptoms later SIBO.
MY LLMD "the guy" said this could possible be an active infection and maybe treat with herbs. or just focus on the gut.
Here are the results: IGG 31+ IGG 41++
IGM -
What to do I would have to take herbs so my stomach could not handle antibiotics
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Keebler
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- Bottom line you state: "What to do I would have to take herbs so my stomach could not handle antibiotics." (end quote)
It's a tough place to be, for sure. Hope some of the detail / options here help.
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways. Proper ASSESSMENT of not just lyme but coinfectoins is vital. Someone trained by ILADS is best to assess.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
For those considering complementary support methods / or other avenues entirely:
Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.
BOOKS - Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
knowing which methods offer assertive & direct impact, which are only support and which are both. And when to use what, how to combine, & when to step back.
You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .
BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever - not if there is inflammation in the spine with active infection. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
Links here to two major sources: Buhner, & Zhang. Be sure to get their books.
RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS -
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bcb1200
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I don't know. Your positives are in IgG, which can mean "past infection".
Herbs can and do work. Many of the best docs only use herbs. Like Dr. C in PA. She will use Vital Guard Supreme and other herbs.
Hope you feel better. I'm going through a flare as well after a great 1.5 years. sigh.
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IgM Igenex +/CDC + + 23/25, 30, 31, 34, 41, 83/93
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tricia386
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Hey bcb-
Its all IGG all of my IGM is negative.
I really feel like what I am dealing with is SIBO/Candida/Histamine...sigh
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Keebler
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- SIBO/ Candida/ Histamine are just part of what can happen with a chronic stealth infection, the results / outcome.
Treating lyme - or any of the coinfections - is never just about Rx, or herbal substance to "kill" it but also so much about also addressing the things such infections can cause and treating the entire body systems.
The microbiome takes a hit and that requires a full on strategy.
And candida of course gets worse with antibiotics as well although with key protections in place before antibiotics are even started, some of the intensity of candida might be omitted, at least to some degree.
I found Olive Leaf Extract to be very good in that way. Also ways to replenish the microbiome / good gut bacteria, etc. with some dietary approaches.
Some who develop SIBO have to find other ways to handle lyme besides antibiotics that mess with the gut - or perhaps in combination with support methods & antibiotics, maybe just at different times so they can play well with each other, so to speak.
A good, experienced and wise LLMD or LL ND can often distinguish their patients' symptoms from infection to results of infection or results of certain treatments. It can be really hard to figure out sometimes though it's also best to cover all the bases.
Pulling from the link LymeToo posted, a place to start:
. . . With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.
Because Borrelia burgdorferi is a chronic persistent infection that may last for decades, you would think patients with chronic symptoms would have positive IgG Western blots.
But actually, more IgM blots are positive in chronic borreliosis than IgG. Every time Borrelia burgdorferi reproduces itself, it may stimulate the immune system to form new IgM antibodies.
Some patients have both IgG and IgM blots positive.
But if either the IgG or IgM blot is positive, overall it is a positive result. . . . (end link quote) -
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