LisaK
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I know ive read here numerous times that many lyme inflicted people got root canals and regretted it, but I can't remember why its important.
I needed one and , so they said, and scared me into it and I did it right away not thinking at all. now im having issues, but the endodontist thinks is "just a crack" , but that I "may" have infection form abscess still,
so he rx me clindomycin for it. this is after 2 rounds of Z-pack. I asked him if it could be lyme related and he said no which means he didn't know, I know, but how do I find a new dentist that knows about lyme? and
what do I do now? I have a temp filling in the molar and they said I HAVE to have a crown. but if its cracked it must be pulled.
should I have just had it pulled to begin with? aaaasking for next time. Or do you let a dead tooth go? and just treat and abscess if you have one???
there is more to this story and how it all became if you think it has baring on the path of treatment?
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I got one too. I had to get one when a dead tooth got infected while I was on a zillion antibiotics already.
It doesn't give me too many issues, but every now and then I have a really bad pain in my jaw above the tooth. It's like pulling teeth (literally) to get my dentist to pull it, because it's not infected (supposedly).
I'm not a candidate for implants, and I have no idea what to do next.
I'd say if it's cracked you probably need to pull it, but I don't know.
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thanks Lyme248
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Lisa, sorry for the problem...
Unfortunately, the issue with dead teeth (root canals = dead tooth) is that there are micro-canals inside the teeth that now are unprotected (because it's dead).
Some small bacteria can live inside them, but our immune cells are too big to go inside them (and the tooth is dead, so how they will do that?).
That's one reason for pulling the tooth, cleaning the jawbone etc. Some people do ozone injections (forever), or Rife (forever), and other procedures, but I suspect none of the procedures is successful unless you never stop treating....
You usually feel nothing, because the tooth is dead, or you may feel some sort of dull pain (because the jawbone is alive and may be getting some infection).
Tooth pain can be usually acute, while in my own experience, jawbone pain is never acute, only dull.
If there is pain (sometimes infections go undetected, as there is no pain), it means problems. If no pain, we can't be sure. X rays catch only some cases.
All my teeth were clear in X rays. But they were all infected, when the dentist pulled them off....
I ended up pulling all dead teeth. Some were very severely infected. It's been years I took my last dead tooth, and I think I still have bits of issues in one side of my jawbone...
There is no perfect solution. Like cavities, fillings are not perfect either.
Each person has to decide what to do. I had no choice as I was having heart issues already, waking up suddenly in the night for no reason, arrhythmia etc.
So it was 'pull or risk a heart attack', so I pulled them all. Then I just replaced them with partials (not perfect, but my jawbones were destroyed, and had no possibility for implants).
If they were still good, I would have tried zirconium implants, I think.
for a fast relief, usually ozone injections help!
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oh my Brussels! ok I hear you, thank you!
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Here is a link called "Lyme resides in your mouth."
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I pulled all my root canals too (eight total) that looked fine on xrays. A couple of them hurt every once in a while and sometimes bad like a straight up tooth ache, but still they could never find anything on the x-ray.
Every root canal tooth I pulled was black, rotted and smelled. My sister is a dentist and she said don's do it, you need your teeth but I did and I am glad.
I use partials now on the upper and lower and they are fine. The dentist said he could put implants in but I still have active infections and dont dare harbor more bacteria at this point.
The dentist used a technique called PRP (platelet rich plasma). They clean out the site and the bone, use ozone and then put a little blob of your own plasma there so the bone can grow back nicely.
I will say my last extractions were about nine months ago ( I did them in groups) and I have not noticed an improvement in my cognitive functioning. So that is a bummer. I had the jaw bone infections cleaned out too. As well as all the metal taken out including two titanium implants.
I think it just depends on where you are at in your health journey and the dentist etc. The root canals they do now are better I think, I know some biologic dentists that do them. You still have dead bone left in your head though.
Its hard decision and it took me many years to finally do it.
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Also, They can do a 3D xray and see a crack so maybe ask for that:)
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thanks Keikko, no one has mentioned a 3-D xray. they all keep saying the same thing- "there can always be a crack that we can't see, even on an X-ray"
so then I guess I cal around? Maybe I don't remember some other rough patches as well as I think I do, but this tooth thing now has me quite upset. I have great teeth. something people have told me my entire life and one thing I thought id have forever.
this is making me so heartsick.
I do have pain all along my jaw and in several teeth now, but im afraid to as them to look A) fear of them seeing nothing and thinking im nuts b) fear there is somethings all over and having to go through major dental work, not to mention the emotional journey it would bring.
bonnie, thanks, I will check out the link
Brussels, I think you are saying that root cana;= dead tooth- is that always the case in getting a root canal? I mean, is there another reason? my tooth was supposedly dead, but I know there are people with dead teeth that do nothing. ??
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A root canal doesn't just mean it's a dead tooth in your mouth and it ends there.
That root canal tooth is on a meridian. The tooth meridian runs like 4 miles throughout your body.
Look at tooth & body connections on the web and you will see every body part that can effected by that dead tooth.
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My dentist did a 3D x-ray. I guess there was a small infection-but not big enough to actually be an infection- I'm sick of this.
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I'm so sorry for all you guys going through the teeth hell. I was there, but like Keikko, happy to have pulled them all.
They were awful. I think if your lyme is low gear, you don't have many symptoms, you feel reasonably strong, functioning, well, there is chance that the roots will be clear.
But if you felt weak for years, OR you felt dull pain (even small) in any spot of the jaws for years (or decades), OR if your lyme is badly chronic and long term, OR your brain fog and fatigue excessive for long....
.... then it is very probable you'll be like Keikko and I were: ALL root canals and all dead teeth had awful infections under (at the root, then at the jaw immediately under each tooth).
This is because chronic fatigue / fog / chronic infections for too long deplete the immune system, and it will not be able to deal with dead teeth.
Even if you don't feel better, when you actually see what was inside your jaws, it's really a WOW experience: how the heck can someone be healthy with such incredible infections there?
But the teeth is just one chapter: one layer of the problem.
Some people feel better when they clean that layer. Some don't.
It doesn't mean that letting infections there is helpful to anyone.
Suppose these infections were on your toes.
And you actually saw them daily, your toes slowly rotten.... How can that be good?
Suppose you clear your toe infections - it does not mean automatically that your lyme disease will disappear, and all chronic fatigue too.
The toes (analogy to teeth) are just one layer of the problem.
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A root canal procedure kills the teeth nerves. Sometimes the tooth dies by itself.
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I had a tooth pulled last year because I was too afraid of a root canal. I really only chew on one side now, because it was a major molar.
I'm not very interested in implants either. Not sure what I will do if another molar goes belly up on me.
Lisa .. Which tooth is it?
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I know what you mean, Tutu.
Why not putting partials?
I can eat rather well with them!
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UGH, I hate reading all this about possabilities!! but I know I must be strong!!!
lymetoo, it is tooth #14- a second to last molar up top.
and yes, Brussels, I have been having dull aches for a long time in my jaw..
so..... how do you know about all this jaw infection, etc???? like, do I go to a dr and ask them to xray my jaw???
I am so sad....
And another question now--- I called my old dentist whom I remembered that I loved (left for insurance reasons). he told me he is familiar with lyme and teeth (not sure I totally believe him) and he wants me to take a steroid for swelling.
which I do not want to do, but could it possibley help this?????? I think im feeling desperate. my teeth are something that have always been perfect. like I never had braces and they are perfect. I know it's vain, but when your whole body is falling apart and looking bad, it sure is nice to have one thing that was a constant glory and a frequent compliment grabber.
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map interesting info on the meridian. thank you!
and there is says stuff that is totally bothering me very much for months now- hip, ankle, etc...
So everyone- should I have not gotten a root canal??? what is the choice is no?
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or do I just get this thing pulled out/? will that end my troubles?
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Maybe Google for a biological dentist in your area?
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Marz. I did and they are 6-8 hours away, I think it was
is that practical?
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That's too bad Lisa. Would a phone consult with x-rays sent help?
I talked to one on phone once and of course he said get it pulled bu t I did root canal anyway. Probably what all biological dentists would advise
Bu t one would be sure to do the ozone etc.
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oh ok.. so the bottom line is get the tooth pulled? if this happens again? I wouldn't try to save it in any way?
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Lisa, get another opinion from the old dentist. Does the old dentist do ozone by chance?
Losing your first tooth is scary. I had 2 that needed to go and I had a root canal. So I said take the root canal with them.
I almost lost the 2 molars beside the root canal tooth. So leaving that festering tooth in there could lead to others around it failing also.
Now I've lost 6. The last one was one eye tooth that I messed around with and tried to rife and did so much to try to save it.
I didn't want to lose a very visible tooth until I woke up one day and my whole right side of my face up to my lower eye lid was swollen and holding fluids.
So I finally had no choice. I now have an upper and lower partial.
Do what's best for your whole body and release the stressor, IMO.
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It's one of my front teeth, and I would love to get it pulled, but I'm afraid that the bridge or partial would always be falling out all the time.
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map, OK I hear you. it is definitely a depressing loss for me
like a death! grieving. I know that may sound silly to some, but body parts are body parts.
so what is the opinion on getting a post put in? I think people are saying don't do that either?
does that mean EVER???
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I know, Lisa. I still grieve over my tooth. Mine was the lower second molar (like yours).
My option was to spend about $5000 on an implant that I could be allergic to .. or about $4500 on a partial. (which could also cause an issue with sensitivity) Not very good options.
I didn't like having to make either one of those decisions after just having had my tooth pulled, which I didn't know was going to happen until I got there.
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oh lymetoo, so sad..... im sad for all of us with this teeth thing.
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So be it - maybe we'll end up with partials some day!
-If you can afford it.
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Oh my goodness Tutu, $4500 for a partial is highway robbery. I only paid $1200 for upper and lower partial in March.
And my ozone dentist only uses quality stuff. My lower has 2 molars on left and molar on right. My upper is 4 little molars on left(I lost all the molars there), eye tooth and one molar on right.
It's really taken some getting used to having them in. On inflammation days they drive me crazy, because I didn't realize even my gums swell on those days.
Some day my head/brain is going to be anti-inflammed!! I believe!
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Oh, I just remembered this. I had myself prepared to pay big bucks for partials.
So after losing my last tooth (the eye tooth), I finally asked the question....how much?
When I told them I was afraid it was going to be three times that price, my dentist told me that many dentists really put it to customers with partials costs. He even said it's a shame what they do to folks, price gouging.
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I ofund a biological dentist an hour away! I also called the lyme dr im on the wait list to see and they told me a dentist they send all their lyme patients to, which is also about an hour away from me.
so I guess ill call today and talk to both.
I also went to my homeopathic dr yesterday to pick up some remedies for teeth. I don't know why I didn't think to call her sooner!
Anyone every try that? I thought of her because I read an interesting page of a bio dentist in CA that really sounded great. he said the only way to treat infected teeth is via homeopathics or (something else I can't remember! ).
She put me on lyme nosodes, HEKLA LAVA, and MERC.
I am really hoping this does something. the lyme/bio dentist (who himself had lyme and dealt with bad teeth) said there are proper ways to remove teeth from lyme people. it was informative and made sense. I will post it here....
I forget how I got to this page- maybe someone here posted it???
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When I've had other teeth pulled, other teeth shifted in my mouth and it's not comfortable, so I didn't want to do more of that - ie have another one pulled, and even the one below it, the partner missing its biting partner.
I think in my neck of the woods, people go to Mexico for much cheaper dental work, just on the other side of the border with CA. Those who are low-income and healthy enough are doing this.
Well, there's a financial option for those physically able to do so.
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Both of my partials were much cheaper than that ...around $800-1000. Don't let anyone charge you more. Get a valplast partial, flexible and comfortable. Even regular denture places can make these and the material is safe.
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I saw a lyme literate dentist. he said its up to me but said he'd get the tooth out . and that the pain was probably not from the tooth. so he put a filling in it until I decide.
my trigeminal neuralgia came back and is lingering, but not very bad, thank God!!
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That's what my dentist said-now I don't know what I should do. My tooth is no longer causing me any pain.
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lyme248 wow you are lucky. mine has not stopped bugging me.
I went to my herbal treating lyme person yesterday who tested me with his machine and he says I have staph infection in there. oh brother
he says to get it out and he doesn't usually believe in getting root canals out.
today I have an appt with the oral surgeon about it all and i thnk I will get it out. everyone is telling me to but I still m not sure. hopefully this dr today will help me make final decision.
anyone else been told they have staph in their teeth/mouth?????
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I got huge hits(reactions) from using staph freqs with my rife machine. Yes, I was going after bad guys in my mouth.
This was after long after losing 2 molars & a molar root canal. I asked my ozone dentist what freqs he thought would be possible to my teeth destruction. Staph was one.
The old root canal area went crazy too.
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ok then Pam, what do you do about it??
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Seeing how I took many combos of abx for 4 years and that sure as heck didn't take care of the bad guys.....
I moved on. I removed the festering teeth that were keeping me ill. I rife 2-3 times a week.
I'm seeing a Naturopath since March that uses biofeedback and am finding the rest of the bad guys that are still camped out trying to take me down.
My surprises so far are candida, mycoplasma, pseudomas, Rickettisa, chronic EBV. I'm sure one or more of these guys were partying with staph/strep in my mouth that was destroying me and my teeth.
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so you think the onlly thing to get rid of the staph is to pull the tooth?
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Sorry still about all you guys are going through. I know what it is. I lost 7 teeth... Also ended up with 2 partials.
Everyone will mourn each tooth that has been pulled. It's like losing an organ. My lyme doctor spoke with me about that, clearly.
He said, it feels like loosing an arm, a leg, even though it's just a tooth. Emotionally, it's not easy. But he encouraged me to pull them all off.
As for infection, taking the tooth away is not 100% warrant that the infection will reside, as the area has to be clean.
Probably some ozone after extraction would also help, I suppose?
In my case, most of the jaw infections vanished with the homeopathics given after extraction, but one tooth still got a very long last infection, that I think is not fully gone yet, many years after extraction.
The scary part for me, was to keep losing teeth for no reason. That why I decided to pull all dead teeth that remained. Since I pulled my last dead tooth, I haven't lost any tooth anymore.
Before, the rate was about 1 tooth every year or every 1 1/2 year....
So, while extraction will probably help diminish infectious focci, the jaw (bone) has to be cleaned, and it won't be a warrant, like 100%.
But keeping dead infected teeth there, without treatment (like ozone, whatever you find can work) is even worse, in my experience (the domino effect came from these dead teeth)
the fact that I stopped having dead teeth after taking all the dead ones show that my mouth / jaws recovered.
That's just my story, I don't know how things would go for everyone....
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Keikko, what is Valplast, and how do you know it's safe? Are the materials bio compatible?
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that makes sense Brussels. thanks
should I try and make sense to why its always a wait nn see for the dr? he said sometimes pain can take up to a year for inflamation to go away entirely. ??
everyone that looks at this tooth says it be a shame to pull it becasue it looks so good. and they say infections in there take very long to do anything.
I know it seems like im trying to talk myself into keeping the tooth, and maybe that is so, IDK. but I wish I had a gift to see into future and do what is right now.
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I found a good dentist. he found and extra root in my tooth very tiny that everyone else missed. so I had the root canal redone. it helped dramatically.
but.... now it is a a few weeks after that and just went yesterday to get a crown and the dentist saw a large crack inside when he cleared out the temp filling. so how did everyone else miss this????
he saw it clearly when he put the colored whatever on it to ready the tooth for the crown. If that is the case then why don't endodontists use that stuff to look for hard to see cracks!!!????
he suggested a temp crown and to see if I can keep it. (pain level) if so get crown and try to keep as long as possible. until bone loss starts which could be whenever who knows.
if not then it has to come out. which I am NOT looking forward to!!!!!!
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I just had a horrible tooth extraction recently and I'm still having problems with it. I am so grateful that I didn't listen to all of the many doctors that told me I needed a root canal.
It was a tooth with a crown on it. I just knew the tooth needed to come out. Once I finally insisted that it be taken out, as soon as the oral surgeon started taking it out, it smelled horrible!! He even said "oh this tooth looked healthy on the x-ray. This tooth needed to come out."
I will always listen to my gut over what anyone else tells me. It has served me well over the years.
I will never have a root canal even if it means all of my teeth come out. It breaks my heart to think about losing teeth because....well...I have always had pretty, straight teeth.
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oh boy Christie. my gut keeps telling me to keep my tooth. I have had 3 drs say to pull it and 3 that say to try and keep it.
if I get it pulled I want to do it right and from what I have read people with lyme should get the ligaments taken out too (I think that's what I read ) from a biological dentist. AND that lyme people should never get metal posts- only ceramic.
so this al weighs heavy on my mind and there are so many other stressors in my life right now that I am having a terrible time making a choice
I feel the same about my teeth- very nice straight and pretty teeth. probably why this is such a major deal for me. that and all the expense!
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it's not that im against pulling. its that what if I pull it and I still have pains like so many other lyme people?! or my teeth shift or whatever- that is what I am most fearful of. the unknown
if I pull and then the pain gets worse or somethign drastic happens I will completely lose it
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yep, loosing teeth is always sad.
Some people are still lucky to have a choice.
I was like Christie: all my dead teeth were rotten.
Totally rotten, some bad smells, when you actually see them out and what's under them, it was for me always WOW.
How can one live with all these infections, was my question.
If you can treat them with ozone, like every month, and do some PEMF in them, or violet ray, lasering, whatever you have in hands, it would be good.
I think good immune systems manage a lot of things, but weak immune systems manage nothing well....
In between, there are all the shades, colors and possibilities.
When I pulled and cleaned, the ones which I felt something, never bothered me anymore. It was literlly like taking a weight off my life.
There were some I felt nothing, even if they were fully infected. When they went off, I felt no difference.
But just mentally, seeing the stuff they were harboring and KNOWING that I was losing in average one healthy tooth almost every year from death (from inside out, not from cavities), kept me going.
Since removing all root canals and cleaning the catitations, I haven^t lost any healthy teeth anymore. So far.
It's been about 3 years or more...
Hard decision. As for pain, we never know...
When I had pain, dull pain in certain teeth, my feeling was like 'I want that out!!'
It was almost like the tooth was screaming to go. It was gut feeling, like you say.
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I developed trigeminal neuralgia on the side that had the bad tooth back in April as well as post herpetic neuralgia on that side also.
I had shingles not once but twice on the right side of my face. I feel like maybe...just maybe my pain will get some better if I can ever get the tooth situation healed up.
I had to have another minor surgery because of many little bone shards kept coming out and they had to go in and retrieve them.
Because of the TN I had already decided not to have an implant. It's a good thing because they had to take every bit of the bone. I'm going to get a partial.
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I am reviving this thread since I have been referred to an endodontist and may possibly need a root canal. I am conflicted about what to do if they say that I need one.
I have read here that root canals can harbor bacteria. The last thing I need is more bacteria in my body. I thought getting the tooth extracted would be the best solution but it appears that having the tooth removed can also cause problems.
Apparently having teeth removed causes bone loss which in turn causes other dental problems. Tooth extraction can also cause teeth to shift as well.
Partials/dentures don't prevent bone loss. It sounds like dental implants are preferred to prevent bone loss but those are very expensive and my insurance doesn't cover them.
So not sure what to do here if I need a root canal. Are root canals better these days? Are they safer to have done now?
Also, for those that have had teeth removed, are you now experiencing bone loss or other problems? Not sure how long that takes to happen but I definitely don't want to remove the tooth and cause even more dental problems.
Anyhow...just wanted to get everyones thoughts on this.
Thanks!
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I have had it both ways - having teeth pulled and having a root canal. The pulled tooth caused the rest of the teeth to shift and it is not comfortable in my mouth now. I would technically need braces again!
The root canal tooth feels fine for now. All my older other root canal teeth seem to be fine.
So if you're choosing to pull a tooth, I would suggest having a plan for what to put in its place, like a bridge or whatever.
The problem for me is money - dental care is too expensive, don't have the bucks for anything fancy.
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Sorry to hear the extraction caused your teeth to shift and now it is not comfortable. That is frustrating! Glad to hear your root canal teeth seem fine for now though.
How long ago did you have the tooth pulled? Do you know if having that tooth removed has caused you any jaw bone loss or other problems (in addition to your teeth shifting)?
My fear is that with a root canal I guess the only way to know if it is harboring bacteria is to have it removed. So if I get one I won't necessarily know if it is causing me additional problems trying to get well from Lyme.
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All extraction will cause the teeth to move, of course. That is why either you put an implant fast, or do a partial fast.
If you put a partial, the bones will recede, as there are no more teeth there. It's a natural process. Once the bones recede, that takes months, years, your option to put an implant in the future gets harder.
No one sees the recession of bones from outside. Only the dentist will see it in X rays, as far as I know.
Mine are gone many years ago. I still have my partials, the teeth did not move a single bit because partials hold them the same way before I pulled the dead teeth.
In my opinion, if the teeth that died was BADLY infected, take it off instead of doing a root canal. Chances are that infection already went deep in the bones and gum, and that if you simply make a root canal, they will CONTINUE to spread there.
If the root canal came without big infections, by accidents, etc, then there will be less bacterial load. Chances are that this root canal will take longer time to develop bone infections (cavitations), specially if your immune system is in good shape AND that your jawbones are CLEAR of heavy metals, toxins...
If you ever had amalgams, chances are that your jaws are full of mercury, and that sooner or later, infections will grow there. It all depends on the strength of the immune system, and what kind of chelation you are doing.
This is just my opinion.
Just don't leave the space empty for long, if your budget allows, or the teeth will move. Unless it's an 'unimportant' tooth, at the corner or so...
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There is a new documentary on Netflix called "Root Cause". A must see before proceeding with any dental issues. Sorry, can't post link, you have to be a subscriber to Netflix.
In this program, medical and dental experts say no root canals, that dentists are taught in dental school that this is best option, but it's not. If you do get tooth extracted, it must be throughly cleaned, then a follow-up to clean again.
It also said to get a 360 degree x-ray to get a good look at what's going on in your mouth.
After viewing, you might only want a biological dentist to work on your teeth. Or a very good regular dentist that takes his/her time.
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Thanks for the replies. I definitely wouldn't leave the space empty if I get the tooth removed. I wouldn't want any shifting going on.
Ideally I would put an implant in if I had it removed but I don't think I can afford one. I would probably have to do a partial (I have no idea how much those cost).
I was concerned about the bone loss with a partial only because I read that the bone loss can possibly cause other dental problems (ie losing neighboring teeth which I wouldn't want).
So I was just checking to see if anyone here has had any other dental problems related to bone loss. I don't know how common it is for people to have problems related to bone loss. I just don't want to start losing other teeth because I had one tooth removed.
I definitely don't want to harbor infection. I don't know if my current tooth is infected or not. Seems like this may be a cracked tooth situation that has now escalated.
I am pretty frustrated about this because I have been telling my dentist for a year and a half that I was having discomfort in one of my back two molars (I couldn't tell exactly which tooth). They kept saying that they didn't see anything wrong and to just keep an eye on it.
Well of course now that it is bothering me most of the time they are telling me to see an endodontist and that I might need a root canal.
It should have never gotten to this point. They should have sent me to the endodontist from the beginning and if it was a crack all I would have needed was a crown instead of all of this.
Anyhow...so frustrating. Just trying to figure out the right thing to do which is never easy when in comes to us Lyme folks.
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Well, I barely had bones under the dead teeth, as they were mostly consumed by bacteria. What remained was a mushy jelly on top, under a sort of porous bone that broke easily.
I had done my first cavitation surgeries during lyme disease, so very long ago. I think I did it in 2007. I got my first partial then. So far the teeth did not move - and I think there are not many people with massive bone loss like I had. I could put my pinky finger inside the hole....
The wounds heal after a couple of weeks, and they remained so, as far as I can tell.
Later, about 2013-4, I took more 5 teeth - all my dead teeth that remained, cleaned the bones or what was left, and added one more partial.
With the costs: I suspect the cost of a whole partial with a good material and good lab is about the same as a single implant.
The advantage is that once you do it, that's it. If you lose more teeth, or if you'd like to pull off other root canals in the future, you barely pay anything else - they simply remodel your old partial to fit to the new situation.
With implants, I would never suggest titanium though. It's more heavy metals inside, titanium is not bio-friendly as medical doctors use to say.
My doctor said, after all these decades he helps patients with their dead teeth, that no single person ever tested good for titanium. It's a bad material. If you ask the body energetically, it will say NO.
I also do energetic tests, even before he told me, and I was wondering why titanium tested so bad for me...
And on top, the metal will work as an antenna. As it's an implant, you can never take it off for a rest, like partials.
The other option is zirconium. Much more bio-friendly, even if it's a metal, it behaves as ceramic. But I guess, it^s not as strong as titanium...
If you need 2 partials, it's of capital importance that both are made by the same company or with the same exact metal combinations. Why? To avoid galvanic currents circulating in your mouth.
So if you have other metals in the mouth, they must be of the exact same material as your partials.
People can actually measure the current easily, by touching one electrode to one type of metal to another type of metal inside the mouth... Sad.
Sorry to know about the tooth situation... I hope you find out what's going on. Did you try ozone injections there? Not invasive, and sometimes they do help!
I mean, that's what I would do if my tooth were still alive.
Ozone injections cost nothing, really, the price is like 2-4 dollars per shot. You only pay the fee of the practitioner!
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hi everyone
been busy with so much, but still dealing with this stupid tooth issue!
after my MIL passed on 6 months ago , now my mom did last month. so I am all over the place trying to get my life in order.
with this tooth bothering me still!
I have a real issue with the left side of my mouth. I think it all reallly came from me clenching (of course) , but alsothe fact that
my past dentists didn't fill my molars right making them too big or high, and causing a more uneven bite that
caused more pressure on the teeth back there. I think it really pays to see the best you can! too bad I have no money. this all makes me cry.
so, my tooth with the root canal/then crown, has been gettin gworse. like I said, I think from tooth repares not being done right. but still,
it shouldn't hurt the way it does. Now it is like my tooth keeps telling me, "pull me out!"
so I think I will.
BUT- I know too much! and now I want the biological dentist, but he is like and hour or 2 away and very $$$
the other dentist I call "Hollywood" is an hour and very good, but not biological. he sent me to an oral surgeon that does CERAMIC implants. I call him Hollywood because he is a really top star dr. with top prices and assistants who do all the work - but they are fabulous at it.
that is what I want- ceramic. Except, here is my new dilemma: I found out that when they put an implant it goes up into your sinus cavity!!!
or at least it will for mine because my current dentist (not Hollywood) told me my area between is small, and that "this is not uncommon"
ugh
when he put the crown on my tooth I felt it like a horrible tight squeeze up into my eye!! like someone put a clamp around everything up the left side on a pillar that goes to my eye and forehead!
and now whenever I get the slightest sinus stuffiness or allergy twinge I get that horrible full feeling with a really bad pain that is very hard to describe.
its just so nasty.
and I am broke.
and I keep giong around to all these dentisty people, I feel like its so stupid, but I want to best, right?
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I’ve been told over and over no root canals implants or amalgams if you want to get better. A friend had many taken out and then responded to Lyme treatment. I had all mine taken out and then refused 2 root canals and just had teeth pulled. I know I will need partial in future
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my lyme dr told me too, no implants, only partials.
I fully understand the connection between upper teeth roots and sinuses because that is what I'm fighting for the last 5-7 years...
During lyme, my left upper 3rd tooth went through total infection. It leaked through my left nostril, awful burning liquids, acid....
They did a root canal, of course. I left it there for a while. When lyme went dormant, i decided to pull all of my dead teeth, because I started to lose teeth, out of nothing (they died from the root, outside, they looked healthy).
When they pulled that specific tooth, the surgeon tried to clean the area, but my bones were brittle.
I felt mild pain until my eye, my left eye. He can't clean up to the left eye, so he stopped halfways anyway...
The pain remained for years, it's still not fully healed. I still have runny left nostril, on and off, i still feel I need healing in that part of my sinus. The origin of the problem was the tooth, I'm sure.
I don't think this area would stand an implant. I had no bone left, anyway.
But today, almost everything is gone. It's long since I felt the pain near my left eye. Now, it's only a tiny part that is left a bit sore (and only sometimes, not every day).
I hope you find a solution. DId you put an implant, I suppose?
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My condolences on the loss of your mother and mother in law.
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thanks Lymetoo @ my moms
I am still waiting about this tooth! I know... I have my check up next week and I am giong to see what he says. but I think if he says get it out then I don't want him to do it. he is a v good regular dentist, but knows nothing about lyme.
there is a LLdentist about an hour away who told me to get a ceramic implant only. he is dentist recommended by Dr. C (whom I am stil on waiting list for)
and there is a biological dentist north about 2 hours away I thnk - who would clean it all out the right way when pulled.
when I think about al this stuff I gett dizzy with anxiety!!! HELP! I get so ADD that I can't make a proper decision! what is wrong with me????
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