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Cass A
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Dear Friends,

I've been very deep into research on COVID and so on recently, due to the horrifying attacks on our Human Rights. As someone with heart issues from Lyme, with the reported blood clotting adverse effect from the vaccine, I'm NOT going to get it!!

At any rate, in my research, I came across a site and a book, "Rapid Virus Recovery," by Dr. TRL, which gives a complete rundown on how to use this cheap, effective, and universally available method of nebulised hydrogen peroxide to get well FAST from any nasal/sinus/lung problem--with NO adverse effects!

And, the book is a FREE PDF download from his site!! You don't even need to invest $20 to find out about it!

He's got lots of credentials, and claims to have cured himself of colds, flu, etc., which were chronic problems for him before the CORONA virus.

He's very big on Vitamin C and other alternative measures many of us use. He goes over many of them in this book, also.

I got my printed copy, and am reading it now.

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Phoiph
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In addition, here is a link to the FLCCC's (Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance) recommendations for preventative and treatment for all stages:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

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DO NOT NEBULIZE HYRDROGEN PEROXIDE!!

You will mess up your lungs. Please don't consider it!

The Front Line Doctors are all about making a profit. Be careful!

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From Dr. David Brownstein, board certified family holistic physician, who has been saving lives, keeping people out of hospitals and off of ventalators with this therapy throughout Covid.

He treated patients from their cars in his parking lot throughout the MI winter. It is worth a listen:

https://www.theholisticnavigator.com/podcast/nebulizing-peroxide

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The front line doctors are making a profit on what...cheap hydrogen peroxide, vitamin D, and Ivermectin?

Who is making billions from Covid?

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I don't understand why "profit" gets a bad name. Do grocery stores give food away?

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Phoiph
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Background/credential information on FLCCC's doctors/founders:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/the-flccc-physicians/

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Nebulized hydrogen peroxide will damage the cell membranes of the air sacs of the lungs. Please do not fall for this treatment. You might not see the side effects right away but they will come.

And The Frontline doctors are out to make a profit. They charge $90 for a telemedicine call but don’t guarantee they will get to you right away. May be 7 days. And, of course, not on weekends.

So, they are making money and as shown by the actions of the Florida attorney general (a Frontline doctor), they don’t give a darn about your health.

Tutu—profit isn’t a bad thing but you always cite the fact that the vaccine makers and hospitals are making too much money off of Covid, so just tossing your statements back at you.

https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/

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https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/warning-letters/covid-19-letter_to_dr._brownsteins_holistic_medicine.pdf

Please note that Dr. Brownstein’s methods of treatment have not been tested.

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FLCCC is not the same group as Frontline doctors!


https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

If you read this page from FLCCC, please note that it says that this is not medical advice and you should consult your doctor.

They talk about the use of monoclonal antibodies but not until 5 or more days of symptoms (or comorbidities). After 5 days it is probably too late for monoclonal antibodies, most of which won’t work on the new omicron variant.

Again this FLCCC is not the same group as Frontline doctors. The latter is the group I was talking about.

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My post was about FLCCC's (Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance), a non-profit group of doctors that makes the protocol available online for everyone.
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quote:
Originally posted by hiker53:

Please note that Dr. Brownstein’s methods of treatment have not been tested.

Hiker, Dr. Brownstein has been using nebulized hydrogen peroxide for over 2 decades. You can read his peer reviewed study re Covid and oxidative therapies here:

https://stevenyager.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Steven-Yager-Dr-Brownstein-A-Novel-Approach-to-Treating-COVID-19-Using-Nutritional-and-Oxidative-Therapies.pdf

An interview with Dr. Brownstein explaining nebulized hydrogen peroxide therapy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Pxp8_iQHI

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Phoiph, thanks for posting Dr Brownstein’s study. I guess by study I meant a double blind study with placebo.

Too bad his study does not have all the patients with confirmed Covid by a PCR test, but that is understandable.

Because his protocol involves so many items, it is hard to tell if the full combination is needed or if one or two items would work.

Has he done followup to see if there were any long term side effects of his protocol?

His reasoning for hydrogen peroxide and iodine, as well as mouthwash come from in vitro studies not in vivo studies. Bleach kills Covid in vitro, too.

My concern is some people will look at this and try the protocol or part of it on their own not realizing the hydrogen peroxide is food grade and very diluted.

Personally I would not take hydrogen peroxide internally or through a nebulizer nor would I take that dose of iodine.

I learned the hard way about iodine taking too much of an iodine supplement. Really messed me up and I am thankful my thyroid returned to normal and my headaches disappeared after several months.

I still pray we never have to try these protocols or any Covid protocol.

And still in my county, 80% of those hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated.

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I would wager that his mind was on triage and saving lives during the initial stages of Covid with methods he had been using successfully for decades for other viral infections, rather than waiting years for double blind studies with placebo.

I'm sure his patients are grateful for that.

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Dr. Brownstein's blog mentions follow up and comments from his patients:

https://www.drbrownstein.com/blog/67aonp8y415kiij4lh52dn63kug26q

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I can't find any double blind studies for Dr. Brownstein's decades of using hydrogen peroxide, either. Would love to see a peer reviewed study.

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Hiker, it's a catch-22.

In a perfect world, some wealthy, selfless entity out there who really cared about people's health might put up the tens of millions it would take to do such a study.

In our non-perfect world, a pharmaceutical company might fund a double-blind study, but only if a drug could be developed or patented that could make them a fortune...in which case the original, inexpensive method that one could easily do at home could become unaffordable and/or inaccessible to the average person.

There are also ethics involved. Would it be ethical to give a placebo to patients showing serious Covid symptoms?

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Phoiph,

My point was that if Brownstein has been using his hydrogen peroxide treatment for several decades he should have more studies on it by now and peer review. Doesn’t have to be done by a pharmaceutical company.

I am not referring now to his use against Covid. Obviously he had the Covid patients’ permissions to use the treatment on them.

As for his blog and patient comments, would you really expect him to publish anything but positive comments from patients on his website?

I did find one patient who comment the iodine messed up her T4 for months which is what happened to me with an iodine supplement. He said he had never seen that. Not sure I believe his answer.

I am not saying his treatment is bogus. I am just suggesting people be careful if doing it at home. Because doing it incorrectly would definitely be dangerous.

Hope you have a merry Christmas!

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Hiker, actually you did claim the treatment to be bogus. You strongly warned people against it (in all caps), told them not to "fall" for it, said it was dangerous, claimed that it would damage lung sacs and warned that eventually there would be side effects.

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but please play fair.

Again, we can agree to disagree, and that is OK.

Happy Holidays to you too!

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Yes, Phoiph, I did ask people not to fall for the treatment that Cass suggested from doctor TRL. Because some people are likely to not dilute the hydrogen peroxide and that will, indeed, damage the lungs alveoli (air sacs with delicate cell membranes)

My point about Brownstein is that he hasn’t produced double blind peer reviewed studies when he claims 2 decades of success. Also too much iodine can be dangerous and I know that from personal experience.

Maybe if you (and all those who can) just got vaccinated you wouldn’t have to worry as much about a cure.

You tell me to “play fair.” I now know 6 people who have died of Covid. Several died before the vaccines came out. The other 4 were not vaccinated. This is not a game to me.

I am done with this thread as you just seem to want to argue and nitpick on every word. God bless.

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It is clear to me that relying on vaccinations alone is not going to get us out of this mess.

The seriousness of Covid for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated is exactly why we need to support successful and promising treatments offered by legitimate doctors.

Any over-the-counter substance can be unsafe if used improperly, which is why it is important to allow doctors to speak out and make clear instructions available.

IMO, we have to push back against propaganda and censorship of such information which should be freely available to us so we can make informed choices.

If this takes “arguing and nitpicking”, then I'm happy to oblige.

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Outpatient Treatments for Covid-19 Reviewed:

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2021/December/PDF/outpatient-treatments-for-covid-19-reviewed-pdf.pdf

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quote:
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The seriousness of Covid for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated is exactly why we need to support successful and promising treatments offered by legitimate doctors.


They have been suppressing the truth for nearly TWO years now. How many have died because of it?

MILLIONS.

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It is tragic.

To think that doctors had legitimate preventative/early treatments they tried to get out to world governments, and they were ignored and/or censored.

For example:

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/12/21/Experts-send-Vitamin-D-and-Covid-19-open-letter-to-world-s-governments

https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html

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More outpatient treatments for Covid, shared by kgg on another thread:

https://www.truthforhealth.org/patientguide/patient-treatment-guide/

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Thailand clears Andrographis to treat Covid-19:

https://www.herbalgram.org/resources/herbalgram/issues/129/table-of-contents/hg129-wnews-thai-andro-cov19/

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