CaliforniaLyme
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If you are suicidal and have children- know that if you do so it will make them more likely to choose it as a choice for themselves- !!! ************************************************
1: Lancet. 2002 Oct 12;360(9340):1126-30. Links
Suicide risk in relation to family history of completed suicide and psychiatric disorders: a nested case-control study based on longitudinal registers.
Qin P, Agerbo E, Mortensen PB. National Centre for Register-based Research, Aarhus University, Denmark. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: Familial clustering of suicidal behaviour has been well documented. We aimed to assess whether family history of completed suicide and mental illness that results in admission to hospital are risk factors for suicide, and whether these factors interact.
METHODS: We did a nested case-control study using data from Danish longitudinal registers. We included 4262 people who had committed suicide aged 9-45 years during 1981-97 (cases), and 80238 population-based controls matched for age, sex, and date of suicide. Suicide and psychiatric history of parents and siblings and socioeconomic, demographic, and psychiatric data for every case were retrieved and merged. Data were analysed with conditional logistic regression.
FINDINGS: A family history of completed suicide and psychiatric illness significantly and independently increased suicide risk.
These effects were not accounted for by the socioeconomic status and psychiatric history of cases.
A history of family psychiatric illness significantly raised suicide risk only in people without a history of psychiatric illness, whereas a family history of suicide increased suicide risk irrespective of psychiatric illness for people with and without a psychiatric history, respectively.
INTERPRETATION: Completed suicide and psychiatric illness in relatives are risk factors for suicide, and the effect of family suicide history is independent of the familial cluster of mental disorders. Family history of suicide should be established in the assessment of suicide risk.
PMID: 12387960
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Sara -I have to walk the dog-don't delete yet because I have a lot to say! Thanks Carol
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CaliforniaLyme
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I just meant delete my family stuff, not the whole thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Say plentY* )*!)*!)!
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Throw lyme into the picture and the odds are certainly worse..
Now for Carol, she needs to know this isn't an option..She has too many good reasons to see it all thru..
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Why did you delete the family stuff???? That's what I was going to talk about,too. Well not your family stuff- just my own.
I relate more to the nitty gritty.
Anyway- Yesterday- and today I feel as if I have been suffering from a "closed head" injury with pressure build up that shuts down the thinking process.
After I walked the dog yesterday I spent most of the day in bed and never did get back to this thread for posting.
I did, however, make it to a lyme support eatin' meeting which boosted my spirits tremendously.
I have an appointment with my LLMD today and I plan to discuss this deeper level of fatigue and inability to tend to anything but the most pressing issues for survival day to day.
It's as if my brain is slowly turning to cement-putting new meaning to what's referred to "grey matter".
I plan to continue more topic focused material in next post.
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I hate long posts-so that's why I broke this up.
I have been warned by LMT that if I get any wild ideas about suicide she's going to come down here and kick my butt.
The legacy of suicide is just too brutal for those left behind. Which actually means for me that although suicide runs in the family-for me it has the opposite effect-
Instead of it being an option, it is NOT an option because the fall out for family just never ever heals. To say to oneself-everybody else would be better off without me is so much CRAP.
I hung out in a GriefNet Suicide website for a couple of years-for that very reason-to remind myself over and over again of the pain inflicted by suicide on others. Far worse ,I think ,than the pain that the person who committed suicide was trying to escape.
CaliforniaLyme
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Yup*)*!)!!
I deleted because if I talk about this with my kids I want their first talk re it to come from ME not from reading it on LYmeNet*)!
My older daughter, 10, reads LymeNet~!
I am glad you have that attitude-!!!!!!!!
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If I get too personal here, it's not because I am trying to impress anyone with my violin playing-it's to give anybody passing by who might be carrying the same burden a lift-
or minimaly a realization they are not the only ones with a deep pocket of pain.
In my 20's when my stepfather woke up one morning and instead of sticking his dentures back in his mouth, stuck a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger, my first reaction was one of anger.
Anger, not that he had killed himself, but anger that he didn't tell me why. As if he knew something I didn't know. As if he had a realization and failed to enlighten me, so I was left to grope for my own reason.
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When my brother killed himself by slicing his wrists with seashells down by the seashore,(along the coastline of Big Sur, BTW)
I was also angry-at first I thought my anger was at him, but eventually I realized my anger was at myself because I was unable to stop him, even when I saw it coming.
Someone actually did me a favor by asking me what it felt like to have a brother in Hell. It forced me to understand God's role in the whole messy business.
I wrote this for my brother's memorial service...
" The God of my understanding looked down upon
the Earth and saw my brother's anguish .
God knew my brother's limitations;
He knew there was no way on Earth Ron could be
relieved of his pain because Ron was unable to
open his heart and soul to the love of God-
which is there always for all of us.
So God did not intervene when Ron chose to die.
As Ron's physical life flowed from his body,
the Angels enfolded his spirit and gently carried
him to a life everlasting where Ron's dark pain
faded in the eternal light of God's
unconditional love."
With that, my brother's ashes were carried out to sea by a caravan of surfers who formed a circle beyond the breakers and released his physical remains.
What I find comforting is that , although his ashes were scattered in the Pacific Ocean on the West Coast, I feel reunited with him just by sticking a foot into the Atlantic Ocean on the East Coast.
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