Keebler
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- It's basically just a probiotic and then also some supportive herbs.
But their web site is not specific as to which herbs in the specific formulas. I never take that as a good sign if I cannot easily find the list of ingredients. It also appears to be a pyramid marketing design. I am concerned with their page soliciting those interested in making money to join and sell. [ http://goldfinger.myqivana.com/business/opportunity.html ]
The way these are packaged in individual doses also raises a red flag for me for a couple reasons.
I'm fairly certain from the sound of the write-up that they are strictly for support.
It's not going to treat lyme.
While these may be good, they may not be the correct support herbs for you at this point in time. Or they may be. You would be far better off with an individualized treatment by a holistic LLMD or a LL ND - who is ILADS-educated and will address lyme, along with support methods.
Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated lyme literate (LL) professionals in these areas:
Naturopathic doctor (ND); Acupuncturist (L. Ac.), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, . . .
. . . Holistic MDs, and also Doctors of Osteopath (DO) and Doctors of Chiropractic (DC), etc.
** Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links -- all by LL authors.
Also included are basic links explaining the principles of herbal medicine.
BODY WORK considerations (geared to lyme patients) are discussed; with links. -
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phyl6648
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Thanks Keebler, I agree with you as I have read the same things. I am not going to try or purchase any of them . I think some herbs are ok to help your body but for lyme I guess the only route to go is abx..Just need to find the right doc that knows what the heck they are doing and not kill you with a lot of "stuff".
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Keebler
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- To clarify, the only route is not to "just go with abx" Herbs are tremendously important for support but only when considered by an ILADS-educated LLMD or LL ND who will cover all the bases.
Many LLMDs incorporate herbal and nutrient supplements, along with antibiotics.
Many LL NDs also insist upon antibiotics, but the supportive herbs and other nutritional supplements make that much more possible and effective. In some states, NDs are licensed to prescribe limited pharmaceuticals. It varies from state to state, among the 15 states or so that license NDs.
Herbal medicine is tremendously complex. Typical chiropractic training does not include much about that. Some D.C.s have a little extra training but, of those I've met who do, their training still simply cannot come close to that of a ND or L.Ac. regarding herbs.
I am very turned off by the slick marketing of products such as at the site above. It's focus is on making money with a one-size-fits all approach. That is so contrary to the heart and soul of herbal medicine. It should be individualized.
NDs and L. Ac.s - they get many years of medical school education herbal medicine, along with anatomy, physiology, etc.
NDs and L.Ac.s have been schooled regarding THOUSANDS of herbs and all their uses, combinations and interactions and in diagnostics. Two people with what seems like the same cold often need two very different herbal formulas. NDs and L. Acs. can see that. Most other kinds of doctors cannot. Certainly not the D.C. above who suggested the basic formula.
Also - look at packaging. Again, the way that product is packaged goes against everything in herbal medicine. It's a waste of materials and it's not easily altered for individual changes.
Slick packaging and "sexy" "product" names with atrocious spelling are often clues that the product is not very authentic. It may be fine but the focus at that company is one getting more people to sell and bring in money. Ugh. They don't even let us see a list of ingredients, other than the mention of three basic herbs used.
Might it help you feel somewhat better (as a support), though? Probably.
But, going beyond extensive herbal training, a LL ND who is ILADS-educated, can also look at the science of the spirochete and other chronic stealth infections. The science of lyme must be considered and only a very few NDs and L.Ac.s have that extended education. Those are who you want to seek out.
At the ND thread above, there is a wealth of detail from LL authors, both MDs and NDs. -
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