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desertwind
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There is no such thing as a "Bio feedback Dr.". You could have someone who is a doctor of sorts using a biofeedback machine but that is a play on words.
From my experience as a Ph.D. Clinical Psych. practitioner the answer is a definative NO!
As a doctor of clinical psychology I do use biofeedback in my practice but it DOES NOT and CANNOT diagnose lyme. Biofeedback works on brain waves/ patterns - I fail to see how this could diagnose lyme. As a professional I would never make that sort of claim. Does he/she have any references/studies to back up these claims? Be careful...
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Keebler
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- This is a duplicate thread. See other replies that have been posted for you here:
Medical forum - Topic: Can a bio feedback dr diagnose Lyme?
Messa posted 01 February, 2013 08:46 PM -
Bringing over some of those posts so you can see them on the same page:
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Keebler
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- A bio-feedback machine is not the same as muscle testing. I'm with seek-help about muscle testing not being the sole tool used. My experience with that has been hit or miss.
Still, this uses a machine. I'm not sure if you are describing an actual biofeedback machine or something else. Just a regular biofeedback machine will NOT help point to any cause.
However, there are similar machines that can.
It depends on the practitioner - and ALL the things they take into account along with that: history; symptoms; clinical presentation; etc.
Such a run on that kind of equipment might point to the answer - or not. As with blood or PCR tests, negatives are not to be trusted.
With this kind of electro-dermal testing, some positives may need to be refined with follow up diagnostics.
Bottom line: is this practitioner ILADS-educated and fully lyme literate? If so, this can be just one more tool that could help.
If not, and if positive, it might still be a good clue. Follow up with a LL doctor, LLMD or LL ND who is ILADS-educated and keeps up with their conferences and articles, etc.
My experience with a machine that may be similiar to what you describe is that it did, indeed, point to "tick fever" -- the closest thing to a lyme reading in that computer. It had not been programmed with another tick-borne infection other than "tick-fever" --
My positive for that did line up, then, in theory, to the positive lyme from Igenex.
Can you post a link for the exact model of machine you are talking about?
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You also ask: Should this method be supported?
Adding qualitification: 1. if it is of proper quality, and 2. operated by a LL practitioner
A. Yes. Indeed. Some such machines as these made in Germany have exceptional capability as PART of a diagnostic process. They are not bio-feedback, thouh.
Or
B. No, if either of those replies are "no"
Listen, dogs can now be trained to detect cancer. I think it's important to keep an open mind about all the ways possible to detect illness. Much depends on the quality of machines, tests and expertise of the doctors.
That said, there are crooks out there who misrepresent themselves. That's why we go through our check-lists for finding a good LL doctor, whether in allopathic or naturopathic arenas.
And keeping in mind the entire diagnositc & assessment process.
Some of these machines in the excellent category might be seen as sort of a "reverse rife machine"
Rather than emit the frequency of a particular microbe, it can detect presence of such. -
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WHY you need an ILADS "educated" or "minded" Lyme Literate doctor (whether MD or ND, or both) - starting with assessment / evaluation. -
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Keebler
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- Wondering about your clinical presentation, I can't look over all your previous thread but see that you posted a thread asking about
"Sensitivity to noise"
THAT is a classic sign of lyme. Classic. -
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Biofeedback is different than Neurofeedback-I wonder which one you're referring to because years ago before I was diagnosed I did Neurofeedback and prior to the treatment I was giving a 'Brain Map', or a QEEG which showed the 'classic' slow-wave activity when I tried to do cognitive challenges.
These practitioners were very well-known and their diagnosis was 'CFS' - at that time their assessments helped a lot of people get disability, I believe that has changed now because the state decided that psychologists were not qualified to 'diagnose'.
So in a nutshell, getting a 'Brain Map' or QEEG was very helpful for me in terms of 'physical evidence', helpful because you could 'see' what your brain was or was not doing.
The treatments that followed were great, though of course never got me better because I went for many years very very ill, ie: no bugs were bieng killed and the cycle of replication continued over years makingme sicker and sicker. Hope this helps, PM me for more info if you'd like!
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- I see neurofeedback as biofeedback but just for the brain. see my note about my 3 QEEGs at the duplicate thread to this one. -
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Keebler is right. I am a Psychologist who practices Bio-feedback and can tell you that Bio-feedback is a form of Neurofeedback. There are many different forms of Neuro-feedback Bio being just one. This is not the same as Muscle Testing - not in the traditional manner that I was taught and certified in.
I use bio-feedack as a adjunct to psychotherapy for pain reduction (really good for migraines/ headaches) and to train ones brain/body to elicit a relaxation response. Simply put Bio-feedback helps the mind and body learn to better communicate with each other. How one would ever assume to diagnose lyme with Bio. is beyond me.
With Bio-feedback we can measure things (related to stress and or relaxation) such as; skin surface temperature breathing carbon dioxide output (CO2) sweat gland activity heart rate blood pressure brain wave activity
The above variables allow us to objectively measure the relaxation response during a Bio-Feedback session.
Gee, I have lyme..should I have skipped Igenex and just hooked myself up to the machine to get a diagnosis?
But remember, you do not have to be a licenesed medical or mental health provider to become certified /trained in Bio-feedback. Best to go to someone who is also a Psychologist or other licensed mental/medical health professional if you want to get Bio-feedback.
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Messa said... "Can someone go to a bio feedback dr and be correctly diagnosed with Lyme?"
If I am reading this right... and it is the DOCTOR and not the MACHINE that you are asking about....
Yes. Lyme disease is a clinical diagnosis and anyone can diagnose it that has some medical training and most of all, experience with Lyme. Tests are ONLY used to support the diagnosis if they are positive, but many doctors don't bother to test due to the horrendous inaccuracy of the tests and the fact it is quite obvious it is Lyme in so many cases.
It is the history combined with the clinical symptoms that make the diagnosis. Many dentists, eye docs, psychologists, chiropractors, foot docs, emergency room docs, EMT's paramedics, etc. have correctly diagnosed Lyme disease in their patients.
It doesn't take an infectious disease specialist to diagnose Lyme. In fact, most of them can't tell a pig from a pear tree, as we all know.
Heck, I can diagnose Lyme disease, have done it accurately thousands and thousands of times over the years, and can tell you what other TBD's may be involved, if any, as can MOST of the folks who have been here a while!
I/We just can't treat it. You need a "prescription pad on legs" to do that.
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