GretaM
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Hi, Just noticed my apartment building has installed a bigger motor for air circ in the main halls.
The motor is loud enough I can hear it at night. I think it is in the ceiling above my bedroom.
Anyways I want to paint the bedroom ceiling, walls and floor with EMF blocking paint.
On Amazon there are a few varieties. I don't know which one to pick. Any advice?
Also, I would need to lift the carpet to paint underneath it. Then relay it.
I don't know how to stretch carpet. Can these tools be rented? Any tips on stretching carpet?
This is a big project for me and will take me a month at least to do BUT since the new motor I wake up when it switches on and off, and am worried about EMF now.
Wondering if this last week of head pain hell is from this new motor.
Which paint did you use? Is it strongly scented?
Do you need to apply the metal ribbon to all four walls, plus ceiling and floor? Or just one wall?
How do I stretch carpet after to put it back?
Thank you in advance Greta
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GretaM
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I'll probably be able to do only one or two walls at a time? If I ground it after each wall, will that be OK, or create a bigger magnetic field?
When you have painted all the walls, floor ceiling...do I still need the plug-ins that clean dirty electricity? Or are these not necessary if the walls are done?
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Stretching carpet ideally takes more than one person. I would think it's very difficult physically. I've seen them do it.
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GretaM
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Oh, wouldn't make the motor quieter, but would protect me from EMF from the motor.
OK, 2 people to stretch carpet. Yikes! It might be easier to rip the carpet up and just paint the cement and leave it.
How do I go about requesting new flooring from my landlord? Each apartment is gradually getting laminate instead of carpet, but I am a few years away from that.
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I hope to ask our landlord to go half/half with us on new flooring. Not sure they will do that, but worth a try.
First we will make sure we want to stay here. A little nervous about living on top of a hill when it gets icy. We want to be able to get in and out! The first test will come this weekend!
If it were me, I would definitely hire someone to stretch the carpet.
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GretaM
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Thanks Lymetoo.
Looking around, having flooring would be easier on me for cleaning. I vacuum every second day. (the carpet is white-the pets are black).
But reading about the vacuum EMF is bad also.
Some local company websites said 2.99 sq ft and that includes install with standard underlay for laminate.
I have been diagnosed by two seperate allergists/immunologists as having dust allergies, and both their write-ups said no carpet. No fabric couches or draperies.
But it is not my landlord issue if I have health issues. I live in a great building, I don't want to rock the boat.
When I go the flooring will stay. So I was thinking of proposing I pay for the labor, and the landlord pays for the flooring?
But 50/50 might be easier. Just split the bill in half.
Do you have carpet also lymetoo?
Also comes the problem I need to face is I am not physically strong enough to move all my furniture myself.
I used to be.
Sigh.
Times I wish I had a spouse. Most times I don't. Haha.
Ok I'm rambling. Sorry folks.
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Keebler
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- the vibration issue is a daunting one, indeed. I'm so sorry that you have that addition to your life. I hope that can be solved yet it may not be an EMF factor as much as a vibration factor.
Trying to sort out in a list fashion . . .
First: chemicals in these items can clobber big time. There are some less toxic but, even then, they all contain some kind of chemicals and it's the wrong time of year to be able to have windows open around the clock.
Second: I would focus first on telling them that the installation seems to need another step in better securing the motor with solid rubber gaskets / whatever so that vibration is not being transferred to the building - and to you.
Sound of the motor will still travel but a huge part of his is the vibration from the motor probably not having the best vibration insulation between the motor parts, the bracing and the surfaces mounted upon.
Ask them if anything can be done to quiet the motor as it's interfering with your sleep, and that is your very life. This is not just because you are more sensitive with an inner ear condition, though, so don't tell them that first . . ANYONE would be bothered by this.
Third: EMFs are not necessarily causing the problem here. There is likely more EMF stuff from a cell phone than a ceiling ventilation motor.
Fourth: I highly doubt there is any paint or product to "ensconce" or "wrap" your apt with wall and floor total coverings that can block out EMFs and not be very toxic to anyone.
Some EMF things are out there that are not the bubble wrap methods, though.
If you do any of that, though, it may be best to first consult the environmental illness / multiple chemical sensitivities groups AND EWG (environmental working group) first for product detail.
About carpet: oh, yeah. I think it would be great to be able to get rid of carpet for the whole world. But most floor coverings & the glues in them are still loaded with chemicals that off-gas.
Cement floors can be created to look fabulous, tough, and non-toxic. I think the apt. management might be open to something like this but it would take a very well thought out proposal to agree to the be "sample" project. -
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Keebler
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- Connect with these folks for the sound / vibration issues, I'll bet they can help in some way:
has been organized to provide information and support for persons with balance, dizziness and all vestibular disorders and to develop awareness of the issues surrounding these disorders. -
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Keebler
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- Not about EMF issues but about the safety of products:
(She is NOT A LLMD, however, she understands the kind of toxicity issues faced by many with lyme. She did not have lyme but overcame very serious MCS. She spoke at the 2011 & 2012 annual ILADS conferences.)
"Her work has often included individuals with chemical sensitivities and other special needs. Please contact Paula to schedule a free 15 minute initial phone meeting to discuss your needs."
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Greta... We have white carpet with flecks of browns and greys. It stains easily as we have already found out. Not from pets, but from ordinary walking in and out. I can't walk without my shoes, so taking them off is not an option. Hubby walks around in socks most of the time.
Paying labor sounds good! Hmm... Our condo would really only need laminate in the living area and I think that is only about 400 sq ft?? So it would not cost that much and would be worth it to me.
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GretaM
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Thanks so much Keebler for the info. I have not heard of the Vancouver society before!
How exciting, a local resource with real people! They might have names of contractors etc that help with vibration issues. That would be fantastic!
In the book, "Zapped", the author suggests going around the house with a battery powered AM radio. Dial it to a station where there is just static, and then use the radio as a "guide" to where the worst of EMF is.
So a surprise for me was my essential oil diffusers.
Also all the ceiling light fixtures hummed and carried on.
And the back of the fridge. There is only storage behind there, so that is OK.
Yes that's the other thing with renos is the dust and chemicals.
MDF furniture gives me migraines from the offgassing. I wonder if laminate is the same as mdf?
I was thinking it may be easier to make a canopy of shielded material around and under my bed. Maybe metallic fabric between the boxspring and mattress. Or even under an area rug?
Lymetoo-400 sq ft isn't bad... Not too much of disruption either because furniture can be moved to another room, rather than out completely.
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Yes, very easy to move stuff.... well, for whomever we hire!
I have no clue on EMF stuff. I try not to worry about it.
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Time for the tinfoil hats! I hear they are making a come back! Count me in!
Actually, it seems you are making lots of plans, kinda all at the same time. Good to think ahead and plan big, but is it getting overwhelming for you at this point? It is for me just reading all the stuff you want to do. Good stuff for sure, but a lot to do at one time.
Would it help to break it down into smaller projects? Pick the worst offender and tackle it, then move to the next, both mentally and physically.
Wondering too if you had a nice chat with the landlord, since they are doing the changes anyway, eventually, if they could, with your doctors notes offered up as a problem YOU have that YOU need to solve, put you at the head of the line for new floors?
If they would, it could save you $$.
As for the motor running and kicking on/off, what a pain!! So sorry to hear about it.
I googled "sound proofing" and there are a lot of videos and articles about how to do it. My thought was maybe blown in insulation would help? That's a question to ask those who blow in the insulation though.
A friend recently said you can rent the blown insulation machines and do it yourself, but my thought is doing that overhead, as opposed to insulating walls, would be very difficult physically for you.
The other option is making yourself a sleeping pod sort of like what you described.
Moving furniture- the guys can't believe I do it myself. I start early and move it one inch or so at a time. Then rest. Then another inch. Works for me.
As for wanting a spouse sometimes....
The female praying mantis said to the male praying mantis...
"After we have sex, but before I bite your head off and kill you, I am going to need some help with the shelves."
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Tincup
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Glad you laughed! Both of you! Funny though, the men around here don't seem to think it's that funny. No sense of humor I guess?
Gretta,
Maybe I am missing something here. Why tinfoil between box spring and mattress?
And...
Breaker, breaker- got a suicide jockey in a Texas Cadillac rollin' thru bean town, for sure. Copy, copy, 10-4?
OH! You mean a Circuit Breaker, not a CB radio! Do you know how long it took me to figure that out? TOO LONG!
But, now it makes sense. Although, I'd have thought you to be really cool if you still had a CB radio in your bedroom. Goofy, but cool!
As for the lamps, will they still work as added light that far from the bed? Don't want you getting eye strain trying to read, or falling when you get out of bed. Not worth it.
But the plan does sound good IF it works for you. Go for it!
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oh...what a good belly laugh i needed that i hope im not up all night again
i have one lite near my bed for when i get up at night but i am thinking of changing it to LED one i use for when elec is out...thay arent as bad with emfs right(please dont laugh at me im really dumb about elec)
i have learned to put my bed on the wall closest to the door and use the bedroom cosest to bathroom...all to cut down on steps
my cell phone is two steps away in hall , turned off but close if there is emergency, and behind wall
there was one time i had to call ambulance from bed and i would have been in trouble...but only once in all these years it was back spasms after working outside all day in 100 degree heat
i dont have tv or radio or clock...i did think about one of those battery ones or wind up ones but dont seem to need one now i turn cell on if i have to use alarm i also learned to choose bedroom as far from computer stuff and tvs and fridge...so this room is pretty clean.one wall has a neighbors wifi coming in...but it i very weak and kiddy corner to where i sleep
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Keebler
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- Put cell phone on a very long leash as far away as possible? If you need it, just reel it in, eh?
I can see it now, a tiny little "car" of its own like a Barbie convertible for it to ride in. -
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lpkayak
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Thats a good idea keebler! I'll put it in a basket all the way down the hall
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