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MADDOG
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Part of the new plan is voluntary feed producers leaving antibiotics out of the feed part. But it says that farmers will need a prescription to get animal ABX.
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[ 12-23-2013, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: OptiMisTick ]
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map1131
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I would think anybody named Maddog would have a vet? You will still be able to get it. They just won't be masses and masses available for cattlemen, chicken farmers, etc.
Buy now because I believe the abx is what helps the chickens grow at a faster rate? Am I crazy with that thought. Oh no it's hormones? I'm confused.
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: I would think anybody named Maddog would have a vet?
Tincup
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I haven't looked at the bill, but did read an article about it. Seems it is going to be about 3 years before it will affect the large farm owners down to the market place?
So stock up on what you might need and keep eating meat till then. After that, any meat you eat, you are on your own- germs and all.
Tincup
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Thought I'd look up the bill for you, but couldn't find it. I did find this though....
FDA TO RELEASE FINAL GUIDANCE AND PROPOSED RULE ON ANIMAL ANTIBIOTICS: Today, the FDA is expected to release final the agency's Final Guidance 213 and a proposed Veterinary Feed Directive rule — two central components of FDA's strategy to reduce injudicious use of medically important antibiotics in animal agriculture.
Drafts of the two proposals were released in April 2012 and many stakeholders have been eager to see them finalized so the agency can move forward.
The Animal Health Institute, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the National Pork Producers Council have scheduled a media briefing for this afternoon. AHI president Ron Phillips tells POLITICO his group expects FDA’s final guidance will be similar to its earlier draft.
Pro’s Helena Bottemiller Evich will be ready to report as soon as FDA makes the announcement.
Tincup
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Actually... I found more!
A bill was proposed & introduced by Senator Diane Feinstein (D), the same one responsible for all the fuss about gun control and adding more restrictions. (It didn't pass.)
I've listened to what she said about gun control, read the bills and amendments, and even saw how she handled a gun. (She didn't know a lick about them.) This gave her, in MY opinion, absolutely no credibility regarding this topic.
She is now trying to make laws restricting access to medicines, not having a clue how "people" will be affected when she does that. She isn't a trained doctor, scientific researcher or even someone with years of experience working with those negatively affected by infectious diseases and other maladies.
I have a lot of respect for the Senator, but I do believe when it comes to things that can negatively affect the lives of millions, introducing laws that restrict access to guns or medicines, she should not be the one leading the way.
And I laugh Maddog, as I am quite sure she is not at the top of your list of favorite people!
Tincup
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Of course the IDSA is up to their noses in this action. The bill states...
(8) The peer-reviewed journal ‘‘Clinical Infectious Diseases’’ published a report in June 2002 that— [that journal is IDSA's journal]
(B) recommended that antimicrobial agents should no longer be used in agriculture in the absence of disease, but should be limited to therapy for diseased individual animals and prophylaxis when disease is documented in a herd or flock.
Keebler
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- All hardship with obtaining the Rx that someone with lyme needs, all understanding that it's sad with around the edges way to get treatment are closed . . .
animals should not be on the kind of antibiotic diets they are on. Not good for them. Not good for us. This move is an important one and one that will not go far enough to the kind of care that animals (or consumers) really need. Still, on its "face" it's a good move.
I still will not eat factory meat, ever, as there are just too many terrible practices involved. I applaud anything that will make the animals' lives a bit better but do not trust the meat industry to properly care for the animals around this change.
Still, I know that leaves some with yet another closed door to find antibiotics for treatment. I do hope there will be other ways to find what is needed, other avenues, methods, etc. -
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map1131
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There's always the underground. Which is sad to think one would have to go to pet store, on some street corner to buy abx.
The abx pusher. That's who the feds will be chasing around in the future. The bad bad people trying to survive the super bacteria this world has developed.
Yes, Keebler because it was allowed in our protein supply for so long. We didn't create this abx resistant monster(s), they did.
There I go fussing at the FDA again. They will have a hit man after me soon if I don't stop giving them a bad name and writing bad stuff about them.
I'm ready....just let it be a bad bart day.
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quote:Originally posted by Tincup: A bill was proposed & introduced by Senator Diane Feinstein (D), the same one responsible for all the fuss about gun control and adding more restrictions. (It didn't pass.)
I've listened to what she said about gun control, read the bills and amendments, and even saw how she handled a gun. (She didn't know a lick about them.) This gave her, in MY opinion, absolutely no credibility regarding this topic.
I have a lot of respect for the Senator, but I do believe when it comes to things that can negatively affect the lives of millions, introducing laws that restrict access to guns or medicines, she should not be the one leading the way.
Just FYI, gun control became a big issue for the senator because of how she became mayor in 1978 - the current San Francisco mayor and a supervisor were shot and killed in City Hall by another supervisor. She was president of the board of supes and suddenly found herself sworn in as the new mayor. She hates guns...
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MADDOG
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Yes TC, feinstein is on my list of the most despickable waste of human skin on the planet.
No surprise her big nose is involved in this.
When beef, eggs, pork, are so expensive no one that is not a millionare can eat it,I am sure she will pig out and laugh at us.
She is all into the control everyone that makes her feel powerful and important.
Some people want to be a queen.
MADDOG
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Rumigirl
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When you are buying up doxy, just remember that you can't take it beyond a year after you buy it. It becomes toxic. Sadly.
But then there are other abx you could take, amoxicillin, bicillin (if you give yourself the shots), etc.
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Keebler
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- And it also depends on how old the supply that you buy is at the time you buy it. Check expiration date (but that may be less precise for fish or animal Rx, I wonder?).
Heat exposure might also be something to consider, where it's been all the time before you get it. -
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sammy
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Maddog, did you hear that they changed the income levels to qualify for Medicaid in OH. Maybe you will qualify now for 2014? I just heard the news about 2 days ago. Maybe this will help you get to see your docs and get some necessary meds.
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Ann-OH
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Hey, Maddog, I hope you get on Medicaid. Check it out. Ohio has made it available to everyone who qualifies.
It is too dangerous to self-treat on animal antibiotics and I worry that others will be encouraged to try it with bad results.
Hey, everybody, attacking a congresswoman personally for wanting gun control and wanting to protect humans from the dangers of rampant infections that will no longer respond to available antibiotics is not only not nice, but is unwarranted.
MADDOG
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Sammy and Ann-OH Yes I heard that the other night on the 11 news and sighned up online that night.
It sent my aplication to the local job and family services were I was allready enrolled in Medicaid with a huge $650 spend down each month before it kicked in.
The old income levil was $595 bucks,now it is much higher,but if you are on Medicare,i bet it still will have the spend down.
I am waiting to see if the disabled and retired people on medicare get left out,like before.
Left with %20 to pay so like if an operation is 10.000 you have to have $2000 if you don't have the $2000 you can forget it without loosing your home, or becoming a dead beat.
I need the bicept tendon sewed back into my shoulder with a rotator cuff repair,a hip ligament repair,a tendon in my hand repaired,the other shoulder needs the AC joint spurs cleaned out,and I need human bicillin shots for 4 years. That would be about $100.000 in copayments I bet.
I can't get the antibiotics I need from a doctor ,remember anything over 2 weeks of doxy is overtreating.
I will allways speak my mind about people who threton a free USA.
MADDOG
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susank
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MADDOG - I feel for you and others.
Is this all a done deal? Or maybe won't pass?
Wait - I want Abx fed to animals to stop.
However, I don't want the "little people" to lose their access to Abx from online or feedstores.
What about Farmer Brown and his two cows? No longer will be able to get injectable Pen at the feedstore? from catalogues? online w/o Rx?
And folks with rabbits, fish, birds etc. Will have to be seen by a vet to get Rx for Abx?
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susank
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To add: MADDOG - why did you decide on injectable Pen? Do you really feel that it is helping you?
I have to admit that your plan has been my plan B or C when I lose my insurance.
Dunno Medicare's coverage for Bicillin.
And did I read correctly somewhere that if Medicare covers Bicillin - it must be administered in a doctor's office?
Nuts. It's all just nuts.
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Sad we cant get them in mexico....
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MADDOG
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Susank, I do the bicillin shots a a last resort.My insides just won't take much more oral antibiotics. I have terrible diverticulitis.
Allso lots of people have good success with the bicillin shots.
The small farmer will have to pay way to much for a vetrinarian.
Animals will suffer from no care.
I predict the price of eggs, beef, pork, ect. to skyrocket.Supply and demand ,less available meat,higher prices.
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