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I read a bit about the co-pilot who crashed the plane in the French Alps last week - said he suffered from depression, had lots of sleeping pills, but what caught my attention was when they said he was experiencing deteriorating blurred vision problems, at age 28. That can be a classic sign of Lyme disease.
I know there is such a thing as differential diagnoses, so am wondering whether other meds can affect vision like that, or is that a suspicious indicator?
He didn't like being out of control, as a personality. A pilot would not want to be losing their vision.
None of this excuses what he did, but I'm just wondering whether it's possible that Lyme disease played a big part in what happened to him.
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maybe. who knows. I think everyone has it now, or at least 85% of everyone.
that is just my opinion, of course.
I heard that something like 1,000 pilots or co pilots have purposely crashed planes since the 1930s or something like that.
that's a lot.
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I read that he was on SSRI's .. and that can lead to suicidal tendencies.
I hadn't heard about the vision. I wonder if one (or more) of the medications they put him on affected his vision?
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he was sufferingfrom depression, his girlfriend jus broke up with him and he had several dr's notes saying he was unfit to fly.
not lyme but suicidal due to mental issues. his vision problems meant loss of job.
he never should have been in cockpit.
need three pilots and access to medical records. he knew exactly what he was doing.
absolutely no sympathy here for him. a cowardly cruel selfish thing to do. disgusting.
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I agree with randibear--very selfish. Even if he had Lyme (which I don't believe) it is still very selfish.
People with Lyme still know right from wrong. Yes, some may be suicidal, but they don't kill 150 others, too.
Praying for his family and the families of those on the plane.
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but hiker, tick disease can make you psychotic rigth? he may have been dilusional.
I love the part of the airline people saying "all pilots are to report themselves if they are drepressed." that is laughable. c'mon. please.
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As soon as I read that he had a medical condition, and all the details about it, I immediately thought he must have Lyme.
What I've read is that he'd been in treatment for this medical condition (they specifically said NOT psychiatric treatment) since 2009, and then they said he was also being treated by a neuropsychiatrist.
This sounds to me like it could be rage and depression from a Bartonella infection. I have seen first hand how it can take over a person's thoughts.
Google Bartonella and Iraqi vets. I've read that vets have come back from Iraq either infected with just Bartonella or with full-blown Lyme, from sand flies.
They're starting to think that this might be the reason that Iraqi vets are committing suicide in record numbers. It certainly fits.
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Thanks for comments - it is a horrendous situation.
And welcome to Lymenet, pamc!
Just wanted to add that there is some thinking that vets are also suiciding due to med effects.
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They put many of the soldiers on drugs and vaccines that put them at risk for all kinds of problems.
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not everything is lyme. and they have . to say its not psychiatric because they're open to lawsuits.
and friends have said he was depressed.
many people have lyme but we don't go rounds lling people.
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I found this and other sites like it interesting- thanks pamc .....
Iraq Soldier Veterans Committing Suicide every 20 MINUTES - Linked to BARTONELLA Bartonella Henslae
Linked to our Men and Women coming back from Iraq. It is said they are committing Suicide every 20 minutes. So why the Epidemic of Suicides now.... It's a matter of Sand Fleas spreading the Bartonella Bacteria among many of the Soldiers over in Iraq...
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- Good points above about the various chemical assaults & how important it is to take all that into account for so many.
News today is that he was treated for suicidal tendencies. But, IMO, this was no suicide. It was mass murder, so very far from suicide. His intention was to hurt many and hurt them very badly.
That he took himself, too, likely was due to his own hate for self in addition to hate of others. Hate seems to me the only prompter to cause pain.
The possibility of undetected brain illness, though, is certainly possible with such behavior. Parasites, mold, stealth infections etc.
But this kind of hatred to inflict such pain that will reverberate for decades . . . that is truly perplexing and likely has multi-faceted causes / triggers.
I have to wonder about some of the psych drugs, too, as many can trigger not just suicidal but also homicidal actions. In such case, my "hate" theory may be off base and there may be other kinds of emotions & faulty thinking that just got caught up in a bad chemical reaction.
Or environmental?
How I grieve for his family, along with all the families of those on the plane. I hope a good search will be made in this and not just stop with blame or simple explanation. It's not simple at all.
But, like with Lanza (who most likely did suffer from tick-borne / stealth infections), we must do a better job as a world in preventing this sort of catastrophe.
Parasites seem like a good place to begin . . . and infections in the brain.
I hope they start focusing on brain scans / tissue study - with many experts from many disciplines (keeping the IDSA out of it or we will never get anywhere, of course -- same with the makers of the chemicals that might have been influencers.)
Self hate and hatred of others can come from one's own body not being healthy or able to function, too. We have so much to learn here. I really hope this will be the wake up call to really look far, wide and deep with open eyes & open minds. -
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hmmmm....his girlfriend dumped him the day before. he was hurting and wanted others to hurt also.
classic...sick but classic...
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- The articles I read all said his girlfriend broke up with him about a year & a half ago. But that might have been a different relationship.
Here's one thing that, IMO, might have been a major trigger - the realization that no doctor would help with his vision problem.
He seems to have been told that his VISION symptoms were psychosomatic.
When one has what they know are very real physical symptoms, to be told they are "psychosomatic" can certainly be an emotional disaster of a domino effect.
"psychosomatic" really is much rarer than our modern doctors might think because - if like in the U.S. - his doctors also might not have known about parasites, stealth conditions, nutrient deficiencies, etc . . . they can miss crucial clues for physiological illness.
or that (as someone mentioned above) some of the pysch or mood drugs can blur one's vision . . . .
"An official familiar with the investigation said separately that Lubitz had been consulting doctors for vision issues but that those problems may have been psychosomatic." (end quote)
To not be taken seriously for such a very serious symptom, considering his profession and career goals . . . well, to not be taken seriously and not have doctors truly look for all that could be a cause and all that could help . . . well, that can be crushing - in so many ways.
How can any doctor EVER say that one's vision problems are "psychosomatic" when we have so much still to learn about how vision & the brain work? -
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heck when I was first trying to get medical treatment for my lyme, all I ever heard was psychosomatic....
they all thought I was nuts.
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Most said that to me, too, that there must be a psychological component to the symptoms. It takes a strength inside to navigate when doctors are telling you they can't or won't find the physical reasons for the symptoms.
There are enough aspects to this case that maybe it was due to a combination of factors, including some bad attitudes.
For example, if you can't do something anymore, you have to modify your plans or what you're doing. He wasn't willing to do that.
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I did wonder, too, about undiagnosed TBD's. Not that every psychiatric dx is caused by them, but they can cause every psychiatric dx. Germany has TONS of Lyme!
Anyway, it is so, ghastly, just horrifying. There is no getting around that.
His long-term girlfriend, who just broke up with him is pregnant. Good Lord, can you imagine how she feels now??!! And his parents??!! There is no getting over something like this.
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Oh geez, if I was her, I might abort the child! What a legacy to have to live with. And the parents didn't deserve this either.
Lots of runners get Lymed. I've talked with several. He was a marathon runner. I just wouldn't be surprised at all if TBD entered into the mix. Unfortunately, his personality stunk.
And I didn't start this thread to say that we know anything, just wondering. I notice that others on other Lyme sites, like on facebook, have been wondering also.
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Keebler quote: Parasites seem like a good place to begin . . . and infections in the brain.
I hope they start focusing on brain scans / tissue study - with many experts from many disciplines (keeping the IDSA out of it or we will never get anywhere, of course -- same with the makers of the chemicals that might have been influencers.)"- end quote
yes, in a perfect world I guess..... I have been thinking along this that only if they wold give him a brain autopsy. and mabe they would find something in there....
this tragedy reminds me of a similar evil thoughtless act- years ago , that man that lost his child so he set out to kill all those Amish girls in the school house.
and I may add from personal experience- that when someone is truly depressed , and *if* you add these stealth buggers in the mix you can have yourself a very mean, uncaring, untrustworthy killing machine void of all feelings.
just because you may have never felt this way yourseelf, doesn't mean it can't happen, and no one knows at that last mino-second what his last thoughts were. He could have repented for all we know. unfortunately , no one will ever know the total truth no matter how much guessing, testing, probing that is done.
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