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Pinelady
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In reference to my moved post in Medical.

I meant no harm. No need to move my post

just because it is a not so palatable. Yes many

doctors do compare syphilis to borrelia. Dr. Alan

McDonald for one in UOS. If you have seen the

movie he holds up a medical book on the history

of Syphilis. I do believe there were many

mistakes made in the history of medicine and many

distasteful subjects.

I know about the experiments they did unethically in those days. Prisoners, infirmed, crippled, mentally ill, etc. etc.

And in my opinion, still do today
http://solari.com/blog/?p=3414

I think of the fact that Syphilis to this day has still not been able to be cultured in the lab.

Look how long it took them to describe L and cyst forms of borrelia.

In light of that I think there is the possibility that he (Capone) dead at age 48, had a lot more

than just syphilis and maybe not syphilis at all.
His son lived to be 85 and had 4 daughters.

I would like to know how they were treated. There are reports he was in a mental hosp. from prison for 2 years, before his death 2 years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=12194148

Here is a interesting story of Mycoplasmas, and some sordid history with it, if anyone is interested.
http://www.whale.to/m/mycoplasma5.html

If you took the Declaration of Helsinki and the Nurnberg Code and applied it to everything Lyme,

Where do you think we would be today if it was now being viewed as an experiment on mankind?

Which I believe it now has to be. In the denial of treatment for over 4 weeks.
WE KNOW TOO MUCH.

http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/helsinki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

[ 02-02-2010, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: Pinelady ]

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Suspected Lyme 07 Test neg One band migrating in IgG region
unable to identify.Igenex Jan.09IFA titer 1:40 IND
IgM neg pos
31 +++ 34 IND 39 IND 41 IND 83-93 +
DX:Neuroborreliosis

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Pinelady
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The following was the question that was asked of Rabbi Ya'akov Reischer
(Shevut Ya'akov part 3, #75) by an ``expert doctor:''
A patient became ill with a fatal disease from which he will

soon die. All the doctors say he will surely die within a day or
two.

Yet, they believe that there is an additional medicine that
could possibly save him.

However, the reverse is also
possible. If he takes the medicine and it does not work,
heaven forbid, he could die within an hour or two.

Is it permissible to administer such medication, or do we take
account of temporary life and say that it is preferable to do nothing?

Rabbi Reischer responded:
Since this is literally a case of life or death, we must be very
careful. When examining the Talmud and codifiers and
making numerous inquiries and investigations. For anyone
who causes the loss of a single Jewish life is considered as if
he causes the loss of an entire world. The reverse is also true,
that anyone who maintains a life is considered as if he
maintains an entire world. At first glance, it would seem
preferable not to do anything for we take account of temporary
life even when a person is an actual gossess.
This was only his initial reaction to the question. Rabbi Reischer goes on
to state:

When I delved into the question, it seems that it is permitted...
If it is possible that by use of this medication he could be
completely cured, surely we do not worry about an immediate
threat to life...

Since he will surely die [if he does not take the
medicine],

we put aside the definite and grasp hold of the
doubtful.

Perhaps he will be cured.


After he proves this in his halachic discussion, he concludes by saying:
In any case the doctor should not simply go ahead; he must
approach the matter very deliberately, obtain the opinions of
the expert doctors in the city, and act according to the majority
opinion, i.e. a recognizable majority which is double (=two
thirds), for we must be wary of being hasty.
We find, therefore, that the halacha accepts the basic
principle, but requires much thought and deliberation, and
complete and precise understanding and knowledge.


One
should also take into account the chances of success when
making this difficult and fateful decision.


Another fundamental principle in the field of Jewish law and medicine is
that the extent of the pain and suffering of the patient must be taken into
account in deciding any issue.
In various halachic areas the pain and suffering which a person endures -
even if his illness is not life threatening - is a sufficient basis for setting
aside certain laws (see, for example, Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayyim,
329-331, Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 262:2). According to Rabbi Ya'akov
Emden, one may undergo a dangerous procedure to alleviate suffering
(Mor u-Kezi'ah, Orach Chayyim 329):
There are some who choose to endanger their lives in order to
save themselves from terrible suffering, such as those who
undergo an operation because of a stone in the pocket and
sinews which lacerate the kidneys. This is very painful, like
death itself, The Merciful One should save us [from such
things]. We allow them to do as they please without objection
since sometimes they are relieved and cured.

http://medethics.org.il/articles/FIC/15.pdf

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unable to identify.Igenex Jan.09IFA titer 1:40 IND
IgM neg pos
31 +++ 34 IND 39 IND 41 IND 83-93 +
DX:Neuroborreliosis

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Pinelady,

Thank you very much for the link to the mycoplasma info.
Everything I read or find out seems to lead back to germs being altered or designed for use by the military, and to ticks being the best "living test tubes" for growing multiple diseases.

This is so obvious, and the most logical reason for the denial of the seriousness of Lyme disease. If it were for financial reasons etc, then it would be at least discussed in our UK media, but there is barely a mention.

In the UK the cover up is so strong that not one journalist has taken up our cause, or if they have, then they've been ignored by all of the editors. We rely entirely on good things happening in the US, hoping it will filter down to us.

Have you read the book by Professor Jeffrey A. Lockwood, "Six Legged Soldiers"?
It's totally scholarly and yet easy to read. The most frightening thing is that insects are still being bred, and made into tiny drones with IT inserts in their bodies.

Lockwood describes how there was panic in Germany during WW2, when they learned that Cattle Fever ticks ( containing babesia) had been shipped from Texas to the UK.

To this day, the UK health protection agency maintains that there absolutely no cases of babesia in Britain, and none of the other co-infections either. A top expert Professor in Tropical Medicine and Infectious Disease, who I saw in 2004, said to me that humans cannot get Babesia, only if they have no spleen. Yet I know that the literature began to describe human babesia cases in the 1970s, in patients who were not immunocompromised.

I found out recently that this Professor did his PhD on babesia in the seventies, so how come he can sit there and spout out such inaccurate rubbish? He is also downplaying the extent of malaria incidence, some of which can be caught in the UK and is not just seen in travellers coming home from hotter countries.

BTW, during WW2, Britain was stockpiling anthrax -filled cattle cakes ready to drop over Germany - there are photos in the book by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman: " A Higher Form of Killing".

The arrogant power-hungry doctors will not credit ordinary people with any courage or intelligence, so they keep us in the dark "for our own good".

Andromeda

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Thanks for the book ref. I have heard of Lockwood.

Yes they let things out of the bag all the time. Even when they let them bring African Bee's in did they not think of the consequences over profit. Now we have the mites killing our bees. While the African are resistant.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/04/is-modern-agriculture-killing-bees_23.html

Award-winning TV producer, investigative reporter and editor of Earthfiles.com Linda Moulton-Howe talked to various scientists about the bee bane. ``Penn State entomologist Diana Cox-Foster, Ph.D., analyzed some bees found in deserted hives,'' reports Moulton-Howe. ``Dr. Cox-Foster has seen as many as five different viruses and (unidentified fungi)
in the bees. She says that is two times more pathogens than she's ever seen before in honey bees.''


You reckon they got Morgellon's too?


Every farmer-grower-producer should be setting up hives to try to increase numbers. It is est.

that if something happens to the few we have left- it will only take 4 years before food

supplies for all creatures will be decimated. I would say that less than 1% of the farmers here have a hive, but I do see some with 6 or more.

Knowing what little we know about Morgellon---

They should be scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off to do all they can.


http://naybob.blogspot.com/2005/08/you-are-what-you-eat-h5n1.html

[ 02-02-2010, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: Pinelady ]

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Suspected Lyme 07 Test neg One band migrating in IgG region
unable to identify.Igenex Jan.09IFA titer 1:40 IND
IgM neg pos
31 +++ 34 IND 39 IND 41 IND 83-93 +
DX:Neuroborreliosis

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