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Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Hi - everyone! I havent been around in a couple years because I'm doing very well. I still have some minor symptoms but I'm working full time.
Anyhow -I think all of you should check out the ONDAMED. Its the reason I'm doing as well as I am. My LLMD in Albany started me on it a couple years ago and I saw immediate results. I now work for them and have been resistant to coming on this board because I dont want to peddle anything. For most ofyou the cost is prohibitive, $22,500, but its worth giving it a shot with some of our practitioners. Most see results within 10 treatments, however it may not be for everyone. It is very patient specific and is about 10 generations ahead of any electromagnetic device on the market. With that said ---check out the website at ONDAMED.net. If you callthe main office they will give you the name of a practitioner close to you. The technology is based on the Vascular Autonomic Signal and the stagnation model of human illness.---merton

Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :

It is a form of a rife machine

Posted by ElizabethP (Member # 6819) on :

Merton,

Is that correct - it's a type of rife?

Posted by Energy2Heal (Member # 2010) on :

I'm not the expert on this, but I don't believe the Ondamed would be considered a Rife machine. It's true that they both work by applying frequencies to the body, but in different ways.

Rife machines tend to be higher power and attempt to destroy a pathogen through application of frequencies.

It's my understanding that the Ondamed uses lower power and balances the body by applying frequencies the body needs (perhaps similar to the Quint or even some of the KMT22 effects?) Again, I'm not the expert, but that's my understanding.

Merton - it would be great if you could summarize how the Ondamed works and what it could do for Lyme patients.

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Posted by ElizabethP (Member # 6819) on :

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Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

The ONDAMED is not at all a Rife machine. Rife machines are a shot in the dark. The Ondamed is actually more powerful than rife ---but power is not important if you are precise. ONDAMED uses the Vascular Autonomic Signal to pinpoint exactly what frequencies and where in the body you have problems--it lets your body tell you what you need --not a list from the internet. ONDAMED is very patient specific.Rife treats everyone as if they were the same ---much like conventional medicine. Ondamed views the body in a completely different manner. It breaks up stagnation in the body caused by chronic illness----its basic physics. One has to try it to really understand what its all about ---there is about four different steps during an average session. It is not a machine where the doc turns it on and walks out of the room. The practitioner is very involved during the whole session. All I can say is that it helped me. I'm not touting this as a cure--its not. It may help some people dramatically --and others in varying degrees. The fact that my llmd introduced me to it made me take a long hard look at it ---and i'm glad I did. When I say that there is nothing like it out there --it is not a sales pitch---there really isnt --which is why I'm telling you to try it before you let any preconceptions creep in. It has been embraced by both conventional and alternative medicine equally. The science is strong--the theory is strong --but most importantly is the fact that it works.--merton

Posted by daniella (Member # 6753) on :

Who is the dr.?

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

I know we're notsuppose to mention names --he is in Rhinebck NY---and runs a clinic with his brother---merton

quote:
Originally posted by daniella:
Who is the dr.?

Posted by ibrakeforticks (Member # 6785) on :

Is this like the Quantum biofeedback system?

On the ONDAMED web site, finding a therapist in the U.S. isn't even an option. If there are therapists in the U.S., you might suggest they update their website.

How does it work? How did it help you specifically?

Posted by ElizabethP (Member # 6819) on :

ONDAMED has a whole packet of info you can get - upon request, I just received one today. Provides details on how it works, case studies...differences between ONDAMED electro-magnetic frequencies and other frequencies...

I'm considering trying it. Want to talk to Dr. J about it. Apparently GiGi's Dr. K has one. GiGi - any feedback?

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

If you call the home office in New Windsor they will give you the name of a practitioner in your area. If there isnt one in your area --we will travel for individuals who want to see the ONDAMED but travel expenses must be paid for. I travel constantly to train healthcare professionals around the US and CANADA so if I am close by I would be happy to meet and treat. We have an online community where practitioners share info and case studies. We are in the process of FDA approval and our practitioners are actually protected by the FDA. The following is from one of our introductory manuals. The ONDAMED uses the medical model that the result of all sickness is stagnation. In my case I believe that my germload was relatively low but because my body had been taxed for so long by the lyme and medication my body had forgotten how to operate correctly. Enter ONDAMED. By using the ONDAMED my doc was able to find exactly where the stagnation in my body was occurring and applied the specific frequencies my body needed to create movement on a molecular level. These frquencies changed over time because the stagnation moved and was operationg on different planes. Yet with every session my doc was able to pinpoint where it moved based on the VAS. I saw great improvement over the course of my first 5 treatments. CNS, alertness and overall wellness. Keep in mind I'm one of you and dont want to raise expectations. What I can say it is worth a committed try. One session is not enough to make a well-rounded judgement. Give it five to ten sessions. Anyhow this is a short explanation---there is alot more to it than this. Regarding whether its like this device or that device ---its unique--that s all i can say---merton

Overview: ONDAMED In A Snapshot

Ondamed is an electro-magnetic frequency impulse device. Imagine with me, you have a device to the right of you that is a little bigger than a VCR. You have a patient in front of you that wears the forceps applicator around the neck. You are sending frequencies from the device into the patient's body through the forceps applicator around the neck ranging between .1hz and 32,000 hz. While the practitioner is dialing these frequencies into the patient's body, the practitioner is feeling the patient's pulse, called the Vascular Autonomic Signal (VAS). A change in the pulse's amplitude, which will happen multiple times, indicates that the body is resonating with a frequency that is beneficial to the body's well being. We call this a spike in the pulse. When this spike occurs, we store those frequencies in the device. We will find several frequencies that cause a spike on the left side and the right side of body corresponding with the side of the body we are taking the pulse from. Then we take the stored frequencies and find the two strongest spikes within these frequencies. Once we have the strongest frequencies, we then go to our handbook to see what organ systems these frequencies correspond with. For example the heart and the gallbladder show up. This indicates that these organ systems are not functioning at the level they should be. We then add the Area Applicator to the body. We then continue to take the pulse and use the scanner to find specific places in the body where there are blockages or an accumulation of protons. We scan the body head to toe and front to back. As we find these blockages you leave one of the applicators on the area, because we are now simultaneously treating that individual area with the frequencies the body is telling us will break up that blockage. Within ten minutes we know what organs are affected and the first layer of organs that need to be addressed.

The second step is when we run the patient through 173 preset protocols. These presets have been designed for specific conditions and symptoms. These presets include bundles that address allergies, arthritis, central nervous system disorders, etc. Again the patient's pulse will indicate which preset has priority based on the strength of its amplitude. Once we find the strongest preset you again go to the handbook, which will tell us where to place the applicators. We then run the preset protocol for the programmed time.

There are a number of reasons why the ONDAMED is superior to any of the Rife devices out there in the market. The most important difference is that the ONDAMED is FDA registered as a Bio-feedback system. Rife or Rife-like devices do not possess any approval from the FDA. There have been a number of lawsuits brought against those developing Rife technology from both the government and patients who were given Rife treatments. In the thirty-year history of Bio-Feedback and the ten-year history of the ONDAMED, there has not been one ethical or legal issue associated with either our company or Bio-feedback in general. Therefore, someone owning and operating the ONDAMED will not have to worry about legal or malpractice issues. Secondly, the ONDAMED and Rife view the body and disease in two completely different ways. Rife's shallow viewpoint is that, if certain frequencies are used on a certain illness, these frequencies can essentially blow up a pathogen. The frequencies they use are given to you by fellow ``experimenters'' usually posted on the Internet. Rife does not address issues of electro-magnetic polarity. For example, if you have Candida (yeast infection), these ``experimenters'' may recommend that you dial to 432Hz on your Rife device and ``experiment'' for five minutes/day for two weeks. Initially this may work. Yet the human body will build a negative polarity to this specific frequency, rendering it useless. This is how the body protects itself from all those harmful frequencies that are flying through the air everyday. This is a fact, and most people who have attempted Rife will tell you the same.
ONDAMED on the other hand views the body as dynamic and ever changing. This is why we utilize the Vascular Autonomic Signal (VAS). We can be very specific about the issues the body is dealing with and where they are occurring. ONDAMED does not initially seek to eradicate, it works at finding blockages in the body on a cellular level that are stopping the body from healing itself. By finding frequencies that resonate with the affected organ or system, we are able to treat that specific individual with the frequencies beneficial to that specific patient that will open up blockages. Often with chronically ill people these blockages will move to another part of the body. Therefore, the next time the VAS is used, different frequencies will show up. By constantly readjusting the frequencies beneficial to the individual, we not only tailor our protocol to the individual's dynamic body, we also avoid any polarity that the body may build up to a certain frequency. Rife is a ``Shot in the dark''. ONDAMED ``Hits the nail on the head''.

Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :

So it has turn out that it is just an advertisement of a product.

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Posted by Energy2Heal (Member # 2010) on :

Merton,

Thanks for telling us part of your story and explaining more about the Ondamed device - as requested by myself and others.

I don't consider the fact that you now work for them to invalidate your comments. The more information, the better.

- Andrew

Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :

Merton, why don't you tell more of the story specifically because I vaguely recall you doing hyperbaric and that only temporarily working...

But nobody here remembers the history(yours). what were your lyme symptoms, what did you try for it, and what were they when you began treatment, and what are they now? Are there other lymies who have used this, etc.

TIA.

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Areneli:
So it has turn out that it is just an advertisement of a product.
[This message has been edited by Areneli (edited 27 April 2005).]

Responses like this epitomize the reason why I havent posted on this board. I said before that some of this from an introductory manual ---of course its going to sound salesy. For those of you who rife and it has helped ---great. If any of you wish to travel to Binghamton ---I will treat you for free as i have with many others---no strings attached. If you go to one of our practitioners the company itself does not benefit at all--nor do I personally.

PS--I have said before that this is not the silver bullet that everyone is looking for. The one thing I have learned in my journey is that the skeptics and pessimists stay on this board and shoot down alot of new ideas because they are afraid to try new protocols for whatever reasons. The key for me getting better has been an open mind and the belief that something out there will make me feel better than I did yesterday. So even if this isnt for you --which it may not be ---keep going and fighting and you will find what You need to be healthy.---merton

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

As far as other lymies -not that I know of ---we are currently setting up a study in Philly for CFS/FM---I had every symptom you could name --tried everything you could try --some worked --some didnt ---ONDAMED stabilized me to the point where I am now at 95% consistently----merton

quote:
Originally posted by oxygenbabe:
Merton, why don't you tell more of the story specifically because I vaguely recall you doing hyperbaric and that only temporarily working...
But nobody here remembers the history(yours). what were your lyme symptoms, what did you try for it, and what were they when you began treatment, and what are they now? Are there other lymies who have used this, etc.
TIA.

Posted by ElizabethP (Member # 6819) on :

Thanks for sharing, Merton.

Posted by kaos (Member # 4144) on :

I really appreciate the information you delivered, Merton. I like to hear about alternative methods of healing. Thank you. There is so much more out there.

I just can't believe the huge cost of this treatment. $22,500 isn't something that most people have, especially those who are too ill to work and living on disability....the people who need it the most.

I'm sorry, but I think that charging these exorbitant prices is sick behavior, futher exploiting the situation that the chronically ill are already in. Somebody's always got to make a fortune off of desperate situations. However, if there were a free toaster oven involved.....

Nothing personal, Merton. I realize that you don't run the business.

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Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :

The unit is available in Sarasota, Fl. at an alternative health center if anyone is interested, let me know and I will direct.

They have other therapies avail. there too...

The ONDAMED Therapy System was invented in Schwanau, Germany, by electronics engineer, Rolf Binder. Binder is well known as the creator of Bio-Terrain and EAV measurement devices, and other medical electronics applications. It has been used throughout Europe for over nine years.

Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :

Well he said he would treat people for free if they came to his home. DOn't know what's involved in treatment but that's a kind offer.

Merton, even so, your post is vague. You ought to simply post a history: got lyme this date, got sick with these symptoms, tried these abx for this long, this hyperbaric for that long, relapsed with these symptoms, etc.

Its just too vague as stated, if you really want to help people, they need specific details.

I do agree the price of purchase is stratospheric but I think many of these machines are in that range ( qxci, now the orion, etc--also the vibe machine--I was at a conference and stood in front of such a machine and the guy turned it on without asking if I wanted him to. It made me feel like crap for about 20 minutes actually. Who knows what it uses, but it makes a nasty static sound)

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

quote:
Originally posted by kaos:
I really appreciate the information you delivered, Merton. I like to hear about alternative methods of healing. Thank you. There is so much more out there.
I just can't believe the huge cost of this treatment. $22,500 isn't something that most people have, especially those who are too ill to work and living on disability....the people who need it the most.
I'm sorry, but I think that charging these exorbitant prices is sick behavior, futher exploiting the situation that the chronically ill are already in. Somebody's always got to make a fortune off of desperate situations. However, if there were a free toaster oven involved.....
Nothing personal, Merton. I realize that you don't run the business.
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The cost of the treatment isnt 22,500--the device itself is this price. If any of you have questions call me at 607-245-9259--I can also put you in contact with a practitioner. I dont mean to be vague--I did alot of protocols ---i have had lyme since '98 and came upon the Ondamed 2 yrs ago---my main problems were neuro--merton

Posted by aliyalex (Member # 6976) on :

How does it compare to the KMT-22? I have a bioresonance machine that uses sound frequency vibrations and have seen some miraculous things. How dies it compare to that? There is so much being developed now, it is a virtual explosion of electromagnetic technology.

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Here is an explanation of the VAS--this tool helps us detect the exact places in your body where there is stagnation while using the ONDAMED.

The Vascular Autonomic Signal: Background
The Vascular Autonomic Signal (VAS) is a physiological response of the neuro-vascular system of the body to information being brought into its energy field. This response can be manually felt as a pulse change on the wall of the radial artery. The discovery of the VAS by Dr. Paul Nogier in 1966 brought an energetic diagnostic tool to the world, the science of which was recognized by Rolf Binder (ONDAMED inventor) in relation to electromagnetic energy. Dr. Nogier believed that the nature of the human body is highly sensitive and a powerful instrument and is responsive to subtle energy changes. The VAS is a physiological "readout" of this sensitivity, transducing the subtle energy into a physical form that can be detected by a practitioner and used to identify what is energetically out of balance and how best to intervene.
Physiological Understandings of the VAS
What are the physiological processes involved that enable the VAS to be so discerning? The VAS has the remarkable capacity of providing a focused physical response that represents a reading of the system's total and immediate reaction to a stimulus (i.e. The ONDAMED). Like a computer analysis, the VAS provides a readout that has synthesized information from the whole human system, including the entire range of physiological and subtle level (emotional/mental) energies.

Why do we use the thumb?
Interestingly, it is the thumb that is most commonly used to read the VAS. While the thumb is not used in allopathic pulse reading due to its sensitivity, this is the very reason it is used with the ONDAMED. The thumb and the tip of the tongue are amongst the most sensitive skin areas of the body, as demonstrated in their capacity for two-point discrimination.

Posted by Susie Jo (Member # 2480) on :

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marnie:
[B]The unit is available in Sarasota, Fl. at an alternative health center if anyone is interested, let me know and I will direct.

Marnie, I just got back from Sarasota and will be visiting relatives there in a few months. I would really appreciate the name and address, Thanks so much! Susan

Posted by janet thomas (Member # 7122) on :

I think I will look into this.

Posted by ArtistDi (Member # 2297) on :

One of the problems with Ondamed is that it
costs @$200 or so per session (maybe 1 and
a half hours). This was quoted to me months
ago, and as someone who has a chronic illness, it is quite steep, especially if
you aren't working full-time.

I have read the articles on ondamed and it
seems to work on the individual's points.
It seems to be a cross between something
like an acupuncturist's energy points and
something similiar to rife.

I am glad that it worked for you, and that
you have gotten relief. What happens if
you stop treatment?

When some people stopped acupuncture, their
symptoms returned?

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Most practitioners charge between 75 and 125 dollars per session but most will come down if you really need it. There is a chance we will be displaying at the conference in Virginia--if so swing by and get a free treatment. Interestingly two of three of the speakers at the conference own ONDAMEDs. That should tell you something.---merton

quote:
Originally posted by ArtistDi:
One of the problems with Ondamed is that it
costs @$200 or so per session (maybe 1 and
a half hours). This was quoted to me months
ago, and as someone who has a chronic illness, it is quite steep, especially if
you aren't working full-time.
I have read the articles on ondamed and it
seems to work on the individual's points.
It seems to be a cross between something
like an acupuncturist's energy points and
something similiar to rife.
I am glad that it worked for you, and that
you have gotten relief. What happens if
you stop treatment?
When some people stopped acupuncture, their
symptoms returned?

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Meant to say three of the speakers own ONDAMEDS--merton
[/B][/QUOTE]

Posted by aliyalex (Member # 6976) on :

For those of you who rife and it has helped ---great. If any of you wish to travel to Binghamton ---I will treat you for free as i have with many others---no strings attached. If you go to one of our practitioners the company itself does not benefit at all--nor do I personally.

Merton,
I have neurolyme. ai will be 40 mins from Binghanton at the end of the month. Can I take you up on the offer for a session? Ilene

Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :

merton......

where in VA?? I am in VA.

robi

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

quote:
Originally posted by aliyalex:

For those of you who rife and it has helped ---great. If any of you wish to travel to Binghamton ---I will treat you for free as i have with many others---no strings attached. If you go to one of our practitioners the company itself does not benefit at all--nor do I personally.
I believe its in Reston VA near dulles airport---Ilene --absolutely ---I am out of town alot training practitioners but usually only for a couple days---gimme a call---mike
Merton,
I have neurolyme. ai will be 40 mins from Binghanton at the end of the month. Can I take you up on the offer for a session? Ilene

Posted by aliyalex (Member # 6976) on :

Mike, I just emailed you and it returned undeliverable. Ilene

Posted by ArtistDi (Member # 2297) on :

Article on onadamed:
http://www.ondamed.net/publication/html/en/article17.html

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Ilene -- my email is [email protected]

quote:
Originally posted by aliyalex:
Mike, I just emailed you and it returned undeliverable. Ilene

Posted by Eyal (Member # 6676) on :

Hi, can you tell me where the nearest practitioner to Long Island NY is?

Thanks,

Eyal

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Any inquiries about practitioners should call 845-496-6673--people in our office can let you know---mike

quote:
Originally posted by Eyal:

Hi, can you tell me where the nearest practitioner to Long Island NY is?
Thanks,
Eyal

Posted by levity101 (Member # 1528) on :

Marnie,
I would like that info. regarding the Sarasota practitioner if you don't mind...thanks.

Merton,
What's the recommended time between sessions? Appreciate the info.

Nancy

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Just call the home office at 845-496-6673---mike

quote:

Originally posted by Eyal:

Hi, can you tell me where the nearest practitioner to Long Island NY is?
Thanks,
Eyal

Posted by eric (Member # 3248) on :

Hey, someone asked before, how does Ondamed compare to Klinghardt�s KMT 22? Any ideas?

Posted by Lyddie on :

Sorry if this has been covered but just to clarify: do you still have ongoing treatments to keep well? or do you have a certain number of sessions and then you are okay w/out treatments?

Posted by Digby (Member # 3888) on :

When is the VA conference? Where can I get more info on it?

Thanks

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

If you would like extensive info (i.e treatment protocol,etc) give me a call--explaining the ONDAMED in bits and pieces will only confuse people on the board. I've seen information get misconstrude too many times on this board because people misinterpret it. 607-245-9259----mike

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

The conference is in Reston, VA. --mike

quote:
Originally posted by Digby:
When is the VA conference? Where can I get more info on it?
Thanks

Posted by eric (Member # 3248) on :

Up again .... how does Ondamed compare to Klinghardt�s KMT 22 or KMT 240 device? Any ideas?

Posted by merton (Member # 1963) on :

Great news -- I am definitely going to be at the Hope to Heal Lyme Conference in Reston VA.
There will be an ONDAMED booth where I will be doing demos. Unfortunately I will be the only one ---We have our annual Seminar for existing practitioners that same weekend in Orlando and we will also be displaying at a conference that same weekend in Orlando. I will be displaying on Friday and Saturday. On Saturday Night I will be giving an hour demo to practitioners with an LLMD who uses it as well. This conference is patient oriented so I know there are going to be alot of there. I will do my best to try give all of you ample time on the machine---but I'm sure there will be some who wont get a chance unfortunately. We will have a sign up sheet where people can make appointments during the day. I want to thank Janet Thomas who told me about this conference. Apparently there will about 300 people and 60 physicians. As I said before one treatment is really not enough to determine whether this is the right thing for you or not but at least you can get a better idea about what we do and see it first hand. If you want to go --call Charlotte Healy at 540-338-2181. Hope to see you there ----mike

Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :

Am really interested in hearing about the progress people made with ONDAMED. Please update us.

Thank you.

Posted by Robin61 (Member # 5470) on :

Merton, How often do you need a session? Thanks, Robin in Houston

Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :

anyone doing Ondamed?

Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :

To share a balanced perspective, I personally did about 25 treatments on Ondamed and have also tracked the progress of other people with Lyme using Ondamed. I have yet to find anyone that felt the device was a major step forward. For me, it did nothing notable. It may be of value, but go into it knowing that it is not a miracle cure. Be well.