ok, i bought the book and read it. called his office and his products start at 50 bucks each and go up. so in order to start, even the basic protocol, it's going to cost around 150 and up, according to the receptionist.
ok, i know i shouldn't be putting a price on my health and i'm leery of just purchasing stuff from a doctor who doesn't know me from adam, but i feel like i have to do something.
can anybody suggest things i can take until i can find a good llmd? maybe natural route or something? anything..........help........
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Who's that?? You could take Samento, though I've never heard of any cures on it.
Posted by shazdancer (Member # 1436) on :
Hi, geniveve, sorry you are feeling so bad while you are waiting.
You might check Burrascano's guidelines (at http://www.ilads.org ) to see his supplement recommendations, beginning on page 25 of the guidelines. Most are pretty straight forward, easy to obtain and use.
I also use a hot bath, once a day, with epsom salts added for more magnesium. But if you are very sick, be sure someone is within shouting distance, because the bath may make you too tired to get out by yourself! I find it refreshing when I am well, but exhausting when I am sick.
Hope that helps, Shaz
Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
I'm doing Silphitrin. Helps me with herx's.
Posted by shazdancer (Member # 1436) on :
And tutu and gen,
A description of the Jernigans is on their website, http://www.jnutra.com/ . They are chiropractors with additional college-level training in nutrition. But please note:
quote:...Dr. David is a Christian, though not bound by the religious traditions of man. He is non-denominational, and has received training in advanced studies in Biblical research. This biblical foundation enables him to practice and teach the healing arts with the unique perspective of the truths presented in God's Word in regards to what he calls God-designed healing, and God-designed living.
Dr. Sara then spent a year at a Non-Denominational Christian college learning to research and study Biblical truths in the Word of God. It was during this training that she learned that the Bible was mathematically precise and scientifically accurate and that there were no contradictions in the original Greek and Hebrew text of the Bible.
She teaches the lay public and doctors alike that sincerity is no guarantee of truth, but that God's Word is a solid foundation from which the principles of "God-designed living and God-designed healing," are the truth. {Boldface added}
Those phrases I put in boldface are buzzwords of The Way International and its offshoots. I would term The Way a cult. It's doctrines are not mainstream Christian.
One of the primary things The Way taught at its "non-denominational Christian college" was that all believing equals receiving. If you have fear, you will get what you fear; if you want positive results, you must believe positively.
It goes beyond just having an optimistic outlook. People who were ill in The Way were often told they weren't "believing big enough" for their healing. Some died when they "walked out on their believing" and stopped taking medication. Medicine and doctors were referred to as "third aid," first aid being believing that God would heal you, second asking someone else to minister healing to you.
The Jernigans may or may not have sound ideas in the treatment of Lyme disease, but I would avoid any of their religious views that may affect your medical treatment.
Regards, Shaz
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I took some Jernigan products for awhile - Borrelogen and Neuro-Antitox. They may be useful for some people, though I changed later to Dr. K's protocol and products from BioPure.
[ 17. January 2008, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: SForsgren ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Thanks for the info, Shaz. I don't think I want to support that.
Posted by shazdancer (Member # 1436) on :
Amen, Scott! Posted by HamDune (Member # 14139) on :
Has anyone had any positive results with Dr. J's protocol recently?
Additionally, anyone who has taken the Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS liquid, can you advise me on how you took the oral doses? I've read some take it in water and some as drops on the tongue...
Thanks in advance for any responses!
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
My experience has been somewhat mixed with the Jernigans. The husband wrote an excellent article in the Townsend Letter and presented some evidence from Science News of the deletrious effects of the quinolines. I know they are bad for me, and it explained my reaction to them.
I know they had a tragedy in October 2006 and lost a child. My sympathies to them.
I purchased their Neuro Anitox II basic formula for almost 60 dollars to help with my brain fog upon the advice of a poster on the healingwell forum. I only took two doses when I found on the internet that one of the ingredients of this product, pale spike lobelia, is toxic in all its forms. I posted this on that healingwell forum, and got blasted by the gal who recommended it...my character, etc.
I still have the bottle. No refunds or returns.
I just think these formulas need to be tested more thoroughly. The Jernigans grow their own herbs, make their own formulas, and do their own research.
People can be religious, and I don't oppose them for that. I believe they are sincere in their beliefs.
That's just my opinion.
CherylSue
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
The Jernigan protocol was one of the first ones I looked into a couple of years ago. I still consider some of their products as `an option'.
Like Scott and others, I was very turned off by the prices - they charge full retail for ordinary products like Wobenzym that can be purchased for much less from many other suppliers. The cost of the `proprietary' products seemed a little steep, but depending on how long a $50 bottle lasts, the cost may not be out of line. Cowden extracts and BioPure products can be a bit pricey, too.
From Jernigan's website:
quote:``Toxicity: According to the criteria set forth by the FDA, all of the ingredients in the Neuro-Antitox Formulas are considered so non-toxic that no LD50 is required, much in the same way as any plant/vegetable.''
(An LD50 value is the amount of a solid or liquid material that it takes to kill 50% of test animals (like mice and rats) in ONE dose.)
Like other lobelias, Pale Spike Lobelia (Lobelia spicata) appears to be more or less toxic depending on the stage of its life cycle. Lobelia inflata - which is more toxic than Pale Spike Lobelia - is listed in my herbology book with no special warning about toxicity; and just one of the indications is for `contagious diseases'.
There are many, many herbs that have the potential to be toxic, depending on dose. In that sense, they are no different than orthodox `medicines'. Also, I believe that Jernigan directs that molybdenum be taken with any of the liquid antitox formulas (which could help to protect against any toxic effects of the lobelia).
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Here's the info I had posted on the other site. I found this on the internet and had copied it into my file for quick reference. Unfortunately, I didn't put in the url, but if you google, I'm sure you can find the site.
Alternate name: Pale-spike Lobelia Family: Campanulaceae, Bellflower view all from this family Description Small, bilaterally symmetrical, lavender to purplish-blue to bluish-white flowers in an elongated, slender, spike-like cluster; stem leafy, often reddish and hairy at base, smooth above. Flowers: Corolla 3/8-1/2" (8-13 mm) long, 2-lipped; upper corolla lip 2-lobed, split between lobes; lower corolla lip 3-lobed. Leaves: Basal ones 1-3 1/2" (2.5-9 cm) long, lanceolate to elliptical, light green, becoming smaller and stalkless up stem, reduced to bracts under flowers. Fruit: Many-seeded capsule. Alternate name: Pale-spike Lobelia Family: Campanulaceae, Bellflower view all from this family Description Small, bilaterally symmetrical, lavender to purplish-blue to bluish-white flowers in an elongated, slender, spike-like cluster; stem leafy, often reddish and hairy at base, smooth above. Flowers: Corolla 3/8-1/2" (8-13 mm) long, 2-lipped; upper corolla lip 2-lobed, split between lobes; lower corolla lip 3-lobed. Leaves: Basal ones 1-3 1/2" (2.5-9 cm) long, lanceolate to elliptical, light green, becoming smaller and stalkless up stem, reduced to bracts under flowers. Fruit: Many-seeded capsule. Height: 1-4' (30-120 cm).
Warning The leaves, seeds, and roots of some plants of the Lobelia genus contain poisonous substances and have caused fatalities in humans and animals when ingested. All plants in the genus may contain toxins and should not be ingested. Sensitivity to a toxin varies with a person's age, weight, physical condition, and individual susceptibility. Children are most vulnerable because of their curiosity and small size. Toxicity can vary in a plant according to season, the plant's different parts, and its stage of growth; and plants can absorb toxic substances, such as herbicides, pesticides, and pollutants from the water, air, and soil. Flower June-August.
Habitat Fields, woodlands, and rich meadows. Range Alberta east to Nova Scotia, south to Georgia, west to Texas, and north to North Dakota. Discussion This is a highly variable species with several varieties recognized by botanists.
Please don't shoot the messenger.
CherylSue
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Bump for the Mother asking about ammonia detox
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