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Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
Any exerpts on the autonomic nervous system around? I saw a doctor yesterday who said mine is all out of whack. I think my parasympathetic is almost non-existent and my sympathetic is way out of control.
Posted by cutie (Member # 8468) on :
I am interested in this as well. How could your dr. tell that yours was all out of whack? I feel like mine is all messed up..
Posted by vachick (Member # 8353) on :
My paraympathetic nervous system is out of synch. My doc did an ANSAR test to determine that fact. I take Nor-triptoline to try to get it back in synch. I, too, want to know more about the autonomic disorders.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Was the determination made via an HRV test? (Heart Rate Variability) - Dr. K uses this
Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
I don't know the name of the test he did. It included an ECG, also recorded blood pressure and pulse. I'm not sure what else.

I started breathing normally, then took deep slow breaths, then breathed normally, then held my breath, then breathed normally, then stood up. It was all set up to a printer that printed out all kinds of graphs that he read.

He's having me start off taking sublingual B-12 with folic acid, Vitamin C and adding back a multi-vitamin. I'm already taking magnesium, which he would normally recommend.

I'm getting tested for amino acids, and other general blood level tests. He expects my amino acids to be very low.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
The Autonomic Nervous System can be out of sync by a number of causes:

1. toxins - any
2. Nutritional deficiencies/ biochemical imbalances
3. structural problems
4. energetic perturbances (scars)
5. food intolerances
6. geopathic stress
7. unresolved psycho-emotional or spiritual conflict or trauma

In order to bring the ANS back into balance, probably most of these have to be addressed somewhere during treatment.

A Quick Guide to the Nervous System

Standard anatomy describes two components to the nervous system. The central nervous system (CNS) comprises the spinal cord, containing millions of nerve fibers, and the brain, while the peripheral nervous system (PNS) is the network of nerves estimated to extend 93,000 miles inside the body. The PNS is the sensory motor branch that pertains to the five senses and how sensory information from the outside world gets translated into muscle movements.

The autonomic nervous system (ANS), involving elements of both the CNS and PNS, is controlled by the brain's hypothalamus gland, and pertains to the automatic regulation of all body processes, such as breathing, digestion, and heart rate. It can be likened to the body's automatic pilot, keeping you alive without your being aware of it or participating in its activities. Neural therapy focuses its injections of anesthetics into body structures whose nerve supply is linked with the autonomic nervous system.

Within the ANS, there are two branches--the parasympathetic and sympathetic branches, which are believed to counterbalance each other. The parasympathetic nervous system slows heart rate, inhibits activity, conserves energy, and calms the body, but stimulates gastric secretion and intestinal activity.

The sympathetic nervous system involves the expenditure of energy and is associated with arousal and stress. It prepares us physically when we perceive a threat or challenge by increasing our heart rate, blood pressure, and muscle tension. The sympathetic portion links all the cells of the body together; it regulates the contraction and expansion of blood vessels; it regulates the activity of connective tissue necessary for regenerating body systems; and it regulates the voltage (membrane potential) across the cell wall in every body cell. Neural therapy primarily addresses this system.

A ganglion is a bundle, knot, or plexus of nerve cell bodies with many interconnections that acts like a sorting and relay station for nerve impulses. There are several dozen ganglia throughout the body.

Membrane potential refers to differing electrical charges, which constantly change around a certain baseline, measured in millivolts, inside and outside of a cell. This, in turn, influences how easily (or not) substances (nutrients or toxins) can pass into and out of a cell. Sodium ions are pumped out of the cell (to create the normal resting potential of -80 mV) and potassium ions are pumped in. The three means by which substances are transported across the cell membrane are called ion pumping, ionic channel transport, and carrier-protein transport. This mechanism is voltage dependent and resembles the ebb and flow of tidal water, with nutrients "washing in" and toxins washing out with each pulse of the electrical current every 2-5 milliseconds.

It usually takes a long time to bring it back into balance. It does not happen overnight, and as long as one factor is overlooked or missed, the imbalance will persist. It took me nearly five years to bring it back into line.

Here is an article that was published in Alternative Magazine in the late ninetees describing some of the treatments Dr. K. performed to rebalance the ANS.

A person is not energetically testable (muscle testing, biofeedback, etc.) unless the tester is able to balance the system even momentarily for a short period of time. The body is not able to reveal its problems when the Autonomic Nervous System is "blocked". Most muscle testers are not aware of that and that is one of the reasons results are not always great.

[ 19. July 2006, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by lymednva (Member # 9098) on :
Aniek , it sounds like you had an ANSWAR test, the same thing Vachick described. I've also had it done. We already knew mine was out of whack, this just gave him a better picture of it all.

You can read more about dysautonomia at
Posted by Al (Member # 9420) on :
Go to this lymenet site, Disautonomias;f=1;t=045105
Posted by am36 (Member # 9409) on :

Most regular neuros are not properly equipped to identify or treat ANS problems.

I remember when my POTS started coming out, (I had a stress-echo which showed my blood pressure drop with exercise) I was told that "it seems to be an autonomic problem" but no one knew enough to explain.

Several neuros and cardios later, same experience. It's very complex and just touched upon in med school.

There ARE autonomic specialists, and if your symptoms get out of hand you may want to bring one in on consult.
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
The Bowen Technique -- a very specialized type of massage therapy is supposed to help with this. Hubby tried it once -- for him it actually made his HRV (Heart Rate Variability) test much worse.

Bea Seibert
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Thanks Gigi. Even having been to the Dr. K conferences, this was an excellent summary and helped me to reinforce it in my mind. Appreciate it! [Smile]
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
What do you think happens to your Autonomics (ANS) if mercury plugs up any of these areas, such as the hypothalamus that controls all your bodily processes?

You can find many of the answers to your problems on this thread.

Take care.
Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
Thank you all! Not only info for me, but info I can send my mother to understand [Smile]

The doctor I am seeing does specialize in ANS. I've been really low energy for almost a week though, so it was hard to really take in what he was telling me.

I have always been one of those people who says they operate best under stress. Would this coincide with an overactivated sympathetic and underactivated parasympathetic? If my body is physically functioning in stress mode, would it make sense that I feel more comfortable stressed?

Lately though, I've been falling apart when I'm stressed. My motor tics start, I feel lightheaded and weak, and as if I'm not getting enough air.
Posted by lymeout (Member # 8045) on :
I know you can't name names, but did you have your testing done in the Washington DC area?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Lymeout, my doc is in Washington State. Feel free to e-mail me [email protected] if you want to know more re Va.

Take care.

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