Click on Lyme Disease. This is as open as we can be. Everyone who is trying this product will report their progress here.
I wish everyone who is trying this, and myself of course, good luck!
JRW
Posted by klutzo (Member # 5701) on :
Good luck to you. I hope it works. I also hope you will report your progress here at LymeNet too!
Klutzo
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Cut and pasted without links:
First of all, "purely ionic silver products" do not exist. (Ionic silver is another name for silver chloride).
Silver chloride is soluble in ammonia, but any time you are fooling with silver and ammonia together you are in danger of creating silver fulminates which are incredibly powerful and volatile explosives--a speck of which can blow up you and your lab.
Toxic effects of silver-silver chloride electrodes on vascular smooth muscle.
Inorganic silver compounds are germicidal and hence have been used extensively in the field of medicine. These compounds denature proteins by binding to the reactive groups of proteins resulting in their precipitation.
They inactivate enzymes by reacting with the sulfhydryl groups to form hemisilver sulfides. They also react with the amino-, carboxyl-, phosphate-, and imidazole-groups and
*diminish* the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase.
The highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally administered silver salts can accumulate in neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord.
The amount of silver deposited in the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of the respective organ. Animal studies demonstrate that most of the absorbed silver is eliminated through the gastrointestinal system.
Even subcutaneously administered silver is excreted in the stool. Renal excretion of silver also occurs and has been shown for one patient to occur up to 3 months after administration of silver.
Our studies indicate that silver induces a
highly specific (auto)antigen-driven reaction against the nucleolar antigen fibrillarin,
whereas mercury causes a broader immune (B)-cell activation targeting nucleolar as well as nuclear components, although with fibrillarin as the major autoantigen. This broader immune activation appears to be required for development of the systemic immune-complex deposits seen in mercury treatment.
Autoantibodies to fibrillarin are found in some patients with scleroderma, systematic sclerosis, CREST syndrome and other connective tissue diseases.
To me, it looks to trigger "autoimmune" as does Hg.
Posted by IsThereHope (Member # 6581) on :
NutraSilver is not ionic, sorry, but it doesn't contain silver chloride, or the salts, it just doesn't. It is a true colloidal. I've posted the links on all this before.
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marnie: First of all, "purely ionic silver products" do not exist. (Ionic silver is another name for silver chloride).
No...Ionic silver is NOT another name for silver cholride. Who's printing this disinformation?
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
It looks like the body is trying to find a way to get "at" this infection.
There are far better ways, IMO.
We must look at the enzymes impacted and put the BRAKES on them....esp. those controlling glycolysis and the cholesterol pathway (PFK and HMG CoA reductase).
Personally, I'd try hard to NOT trigger autoantibodies. I don't want the body to attack itself, I'd rather it attack Bb directly.
I'd support the nutrients to make HEALTHY targeted antibodies to destroy Bb.
Our own antibodies are not "perfect" fighters against Bb, why?
"Characterization of the physiological requirements for the bactericidal effects of a monoclonal antibody to OspB of Borrelia burgdorferi by confocal microscopy.
The bactericidal effect of Fab-CB2 is not dependent on the induction of spirochetal proteases but is
dependent on the presence of Ca2+ and Mg2+.
Supplementation of Ca2(+)- and Mg2(+)-free medium with these cations
restored the bactericidal effects of Fab-CB2.
The mechanism by which a Fab fragment of an antibody destroys a bacterium directly may represent a novel form of antibody-organism interaction. PMID: 9125579
Picture a stalk of broccoli (what an antibody looks like...sorta). The fab portion is at the top. It is damaged. Antibodies must be "perfect" in order to work. Many are not because, for protective reasons (Inactivate PFK, INactivate HMG CoA reductase, etc.) Mg levels drop a LOT (!) at the outset of this disease and keep dropping as the body is trying hard to keep circulating levels up. Mg is being pulled out of storage (Mg-ATP)as much as possible.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
This is the actual product's original name (now this particular distributor is marketing it as nutrisilver, probably through an agreement with Hess.)
It does say it will become silver chloride in the stomach. It also says that it's .36 ionized silver and is brown in color. Is it? Just curious as colloidal silvers are usually clear or pale yellow.
I'd be curious what the wholesale cost is. The nutrasilver founder's message says $29.95 per bottle, with a minimum of 3, is cheap, and mispells "preying" (praying) suggesting that others not prey on sick people by charging too much for their products.
The product may well be effective and I hope to hear that it is, but I'm curious how much of a profit the founder is making on the markup. I believe this is probably the founder's post as well? See the highlighted section:
http://tinyurl.com/yj9usp Perhaps it can be obtained directly for a much cheaper price. And who were the immunologists and microbiologists who found lesions and bones healing? I'd like to speak with them...
Also, here is another message board discussion saying it did not work:
[ 12. November 2006, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Lou B ]
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
First off I wouldn't put much stock in this web site. Ionic silver is NOT another name for silver cholride. Why he states that I have no clue. The one case of Argyria (the senator) that I know of used salt in making the colloidal silver. aka silver chloride.
On the immune issue I have to disagree. Borrelia has been called the perfect stealth pathogen for a reason. Blebbing, secretion of lipoproteins for immune suppression, and antigen shifting are just some of the many ways it gets around our immune system.
Below is part of a great article which explains it better. Hope it's linked for newbies.
The Stealth Pathogen Theory
A different bacteria, operating on similar principles, seems to be the organic cause of multiple sclerosis, says Dr. Hoekstra. It's tentative name--not yet widely accepted by other microbiologists--is Borrelia mylophora, so named because its characteristics seem to resemble those of Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria believed responsible for Lyme disease.
In multiple sclerosis, the myelin sheath covering nerves gets eaten away by the immune system, explains Dr. Hoekstra. "That is exactly like the hunters' torches setting fire to the forest. Most of the destruction of the myelin sheath takes place from actions of the white blood cells and their antibodies. But their primary target is not the myelin sheath at all. It's the Borrelia mylophora bacteria, running around in the nervous system. B. mylophora has an extremely high affinity for the myelin sheath. It loves it."
Isn't there already a thread or two arguing about this elsewhere here on Lymenet?
It would be nice to have one thread on lymenet with just updates and reports on progress without having to wade through all the disagreements.
Oh well, just a thought ~ Sandy
Posted by JRWagner (Member # 3229) on :
Thanks Brent, Jill, thanks for the info. KarateLady...yes, this is NOT a thread for discussion...it is only to give a web address to see progress...or lack of...we Nutrasilver users.
We are doing all of you a favor..nw you don't have to bother trying this stuff.
Please to NOT come to this thread expecting to see info on NutraSilver or Silverdyne...go to the web address given please.
One thing you must all understand...no one has tried to sell me anything, or tell me this will work I decided to give it a shot on my own after doing everything esle possible for 12 1/2 years...so back the hell off. If yo don't like it...I really don't care. DON'T USE IT THEN, AND LEAVE US ALONE! We are not going to hurt ourselves! Beats the heck out of Flagyl, Ketek, et. al.
Just wait until we are finished with our "Self Medication Trial". No one has told us this will cure us. No one has asked us to do something against our will. We are adults and we made a choice. Immoral? Please...I was offered something for free, and I said yes. Who was the immoral one here? Wether you agree or disagree, does not mean squat...to a tree.
I know SOME of you mean well, and you know I know who you are...but please, let this go...enough bickering. Get a life...or better yet, get better! Sorry, but I just had enough.
JRW
Posted by IsThereHope (Member # 6581) on :
I'm curiuos, I've only heard from one person and I know it was sent to quite a few, how are you guys doing with NutraSilver? I sure hope it helped you like it did me ... Anything you guys can share with us?
Posted by ashleygait (Member # 10398) on :
Hi istherehope--I received mine about a week ago but had just started IV abx for a month. I want to wait until i'm off the abx so i can better gage its effectiveness. Has anyone else had any experiences?
Ash Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
I am actually 'AK' - the guy who hasn't yet received the product.
I hope I get it this upcoming week and will start reporting at the designated forum soon.
Posted by JRWagner (Member # 3229) on :
Well now, lookie here! I have no idea if what you are saying is true but here is my experience:
I took the product for 7 days...that is all the bottle contained...and I got ZIP...NADA...NUL... NOTHING from one week.
Now, could two or more weeks help? Possibly. There is no way for me to tell. Another friend has been on NutraSilver for 3 days...zip also.
We tried. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
Next?
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
I am on day 'two'.
Had a terrible fatigue after 24 hours from the first dose. Normally I don't get fatigues these days.
Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
I am AK on NutraSilver pages.
All details are there in my thread.
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
I've tried it for a week now and so far so good. Can't post on their board for some reason. Mozilla maybe? Anywho I've switched from mild silver protein to this product. It's 3200 ppm which is one of the strongest silver products out there. My MSP was 500 ppm. Also on Invision 100 between doses. Fighting chronic strep so herxes are not a problem.
As our flash member OSP states it is "about money & misinformation" so take all reports with a grain of salt. Have ya seen the pics of morgellons at the site? Something sure cured it.
Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
Right, I cannot use Opera to post there ... had to reactivate my old IE.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Hey there JR and Brent...
Hmmmmm ya did'nt get any good results huh JR?
And Brent....so far so good? WHAT'S so far and so good?
I was in contact with this guy because JR gave me his phone and I sent him my home address info....
I NEVER received the stuff....
Gee...could that be that this guy is monitoring our website and saw that I was somewhat skeptical of his product??
YA THINK!
So he never sent me the stuff!?
You would think that if the stuff cures morgellons or lyme or all pathogens like he told me over the phone in a few days to two weeks....
He would have sent it to me....like I told him on the phone....
If your stuff can cure me(a posterboy for chronic lyme) then I would sing it's praises all over the land....
Guess he did'nt want to test his product with me....
I just wonder why(but not too mysterious)!
zman(well Dddhhhuuuuuhhhhhhh)
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z:
Gee...could that be that this guy is monitoring our website and saw that I was somewhat skeptical of his product??
Is "skeptical" what you call yourself. I can think of some other names. I have nothing to gain from endorsing this product. I've used MSP and I like this product better...much better. Not cured yet but I'll be sure to let ya know if I do.
Posted by jwf (Member # 6292) on :
Osp is correct about the behind the scenes shenanigans of the nutrasilver folks.
They've been booted by two well known Morgellons sites.
If it isn't clear, don't bother buying it.
Blue Skies........John
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Yeah Brent I know what other names you would call me!
Go ahead and use them...that way we can get your butt booted off of here....
Your statement about "for what it's worth I liked the bugger. I like to debate, for through it we get to what is and is not the truth"...
referring to me!
so debate....I say the stuff is phoney and I've given you reason one!
The other reason would be that this is the same guy that sent me those phoney audio disks about retraining the mind to "zapp" all the pathogens out of our system.
They recognized my name and address and never sent me the stuff....
Gee...this guy must be running a lot of different scams to get money out of sick folks!
You like it and promote it yet you say you're not getting any money from it...
You say you like it better than some other stuff I would'nt try so how good is THAT recommendation!
You say you're not cured!
Well I don't wonder....the guy on the phone told me all I would need is two weeks of this silver crap and I would be cured....I don't care what you and JR say....
that's what this guy told ME on the phone!
You may want to use that Pharmablogger name you like to call me BrentB...which could'nt be farther from the truth....
cuz I always hated taking pills and still do and I blame the pharmaceutical companies for wanting to keep we lymies as "cash cows" due to our polysymptomatic disease.
But you go ahead and call me a pharmablogger...
cuz you ain't nuttin to me... but some guy who promotes bilking sick people of their funds by preaching about phoney alternative protocol.
Now either debate me or be quiet and go away!
The "REAL" zman has returned........the gauntlet is thrown down... pick it up if you've got the guts!
ZMan
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: Go ahead and use them...that way we can get your butt booted off of here....
cuz you ain't nuttin to me... but some guy who promotes bilking sick people of their funds by preaching about phoney alternative protocol.
ZMan
Harsh name calling yet somehow you're not afraid of getting booted. At the same time "we" are going to get me booted for name calling. interesting...how ya going to pull that off zman?
As for a debate it's about the silver product not the seller which is a common pharmablogging technique. Note I am not calling you a Pharmablogger. Don't want to get booted now.
[ 20. November 2006, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: brentb ]
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
First JR...sorry you're not getting the desired effect with this silver stuff...
Too bad but hey!
BrentB...do you even read anything anyone else posts here???
I called no one a name...yet you have called me a pharmablogger(whatever) on other occasions...
Do you ever intend to debate this product??
Or is that a common ploy utilized by such as you to evade issues...ya know like our wonderful politicians trying to get re-elected!??
I say the stuff is phoney...others have posted citing websites which state the same...
You and JR have had no improvements with this stuff...yet...you brent still want us to use the stuff...WHY?
zman
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Tony Z Lymie, Brent seems to have good results with silver over the years, for whatever reasons.
JR, if you read this thread, sorry it didn't work out for you. Have you checked out Stephen Buhner's lyme herb protocol? It's working for my friend Marcia (10 years of lyme) AFTER she first chelated her heavy metals. Before that she could not tolerate the high doses.
It seems to help others too. And you don't get fungal issues with herbs. I plan to try it sooner or later.
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: Tony Z Lymie, Brent seems to have good results with silver over the years, for whatever reasons.
Yes I have and for a darn good reason.
An Alternative to Antibiotics At the conclusion to the antibiotic tests, Dr. Ron Leavitt Ph.D. stated, "The data suggests that with the low toxicity of elemental silver in general, and the broad spectrum of activity of the ASAP Solution�, the ASAP Solution� may be effectively used as an alternative to antibiotics."
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: I called no one a name... zman
You called me a "guy who promotes bilking sick people of their funds by preaching about phoney alternative protocol".
I'd be interested in your comment concerning Dr. Ron Leavitt Ph.D. and his assertion colloidal silver may be effectively used as an alternative to antibiotics.
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
Some more Dr. reports.
A Skeptical M.D.
I am, by training, an MD as well as an ND (naturopath), having begun my medical studies in Germany and completed them in the US. Everything I was ever taught in science told me that silver, being a heavy metal, was toxic to biological systems.
Believing this adamantly, I was absolutely against any discussion about silver. I believed what I had been taught-that silver, no matter what form it might be in-was toxic and dangerous. I received some information in the mail about American Biotech Labs' products, including silver, but instead of following my first instinct, to discard it, I read it, then read it again and again, perhaps ten times, and each time it seemed to make more sense.
I got more literature on it from the company, then decided to try it myself before I would ever recommend it to anyone else. I was stunned with the results. We practice very proactive nutritional and detoxification health care, and have the absolute best, most pure, most potent immune enhancing agents available anywhere, yet this products was even better that what we were using for chronic and resistant infections of a bacterial nature. I suspect that it helps with viral infections as well, but I have not read enough of the research to be able to verify that. It is only my clinical observation thus far.
Based on this, I now use and freely dispense this product to my patients, with excellent results. The only requirements is to determine that it is appropriate to their unique needs, and make certain they use it strictly according to the manufacturer's recommendations.
quote:Originally posted by Osp: trust me, they're selling.
Can't be helped. First off just like BigPharma the companies spend the money for testing thus they get the exposure for any results. Secondly I'm interested in which products do and do not work. Kind of like should we use doxy or zithro etc.
If a product is mentioned we're accused of selling but the same can be stated for anyone who mentions any type of abx.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Wrong again oh bright brentb....
No one makes a dime or even has a potintial to make a dime on antibiotics...they're only prescribed by doctors and given to patients thru pharmacies...
Your products are dispensed by WHO KNOWS WHO?
Your doctors that back this stuff are so many rabbits pulled out of hats.
Who are, if they are real doctors, are paid to endorse products by their financial planners...
they have no idea what the stuff does...
I'm sorry I called you a "guy"....thought you were one! Brent does sound like a guys name.
Try telling oxygen babe again how "cured"you are... I don't think she got it yet!
So why not answer me about why this guy never sent me his "cure"...???
What....do you know him and did you advise him not to send the stuff...even though I told no one here I even called the guy!?
Something stinks with that scenario!
zman
Posted by ashleygait (Member # 10398) on :
This is ridiculous--can you guys PM each other about this stuff? This shouldn't be a place for arguments, but for support, information, and healing. Enough is enough at some point. Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: Who are, if they are real doctors, are paid to endorse products by their financial planners... zman
Are you refuting the claim of Dr. Ron Leavitt Ph.D.? If so I'd like to know your thinking or perhaps your credentials as a Dr. I mean it would look bad if you were just some idiot knocking the guy without any sound reasoning.
Here's the story. He was paid to give the results whatever they may be. As for me I have chronic strep (biofilm). It's going to take more than a week to fix my problem but I am improving. As to why you didn't get any why would you purchase it if you thought it was phoney? Talk about sounding phoney.
Studies Indicate that ASAP May Be an Effective Antibiotic Alternative
According to Dr. Ron Leavitt of BYU University, as reported by Deseret News, Tuesday, May 16, 2000, a quality colloidal silver may serve as a suitable antibiotic alternative.
Lois Collins of Deseret News quotes Dr. Leavitt as writing "The data suggests that with the low toxicity associated with colloidal silver, in general, and the broad spectrum of antimicrobial activity of this colloidal silver preparation, this preparation may be effectively used as an alternative to antibiotics."
The original study tested ASAP colloidal silver against tetracyclines, fluorinated quinolones (Ofloxacin), the penicillins, the cephalosporins (Cefaperazone) and the macrolides (Erythromycin). Among the microbes tested were streptococcuses, pneumonia, E. coli, salmonella, and shigella.
To view the actual study data, please click here.
Lois Collins also quoted Ron Leavitt as stating, "When one of my research assistants suggested that we check this out, I was real skeptical of something that sounded a lot like snake oil. I said we'd do it if they would pay for the supplies. But whatever the data is, it is. We agreed there would be no restriction on publication of the data."
Although Dr. Leavitt stated that there would be no restriction on the publication of data, apparently Brigham Young University disagrees. In a letter dated July 23, 2002, the assistant to general counsel for BYU, stated:
"Any studies that occured at BYU were not intended for dissemenation to the general public."
In what can almost be construed as a blanket attack against first ammendment rights, BYU has been sending intimidating cease and desist orders out to individuals and organizations referencing the study. These letters not only pursue the reasonable demand that copyrights be respected, but further demand that BYU not be mentioned in conjunction with the study at all, despite the fact this information now exists in the public domain.
Further, attached to these letters is an official BYU position statement, where the antimicrobial effects of colloidal silver are compared to bleach. While it is clear ( in fact, self evident ) that studies done in-vitro cannot be applied to a clinical situation, comparing colloidal silver to bleach can only be regarded as a very distasteful disinformation tactic. While the sarcasm of the comment is not lost in the statement, the undiluted truth is. As the quote by Dr. Ron Leavitt above indicates, colloidal silver has a low level of toxicity ( see our pages on silver toxicity for details ).
The Colloidal Silver Database Website's position is that we are not in violation of copyright laws in this matter. Furthermore, we believe that the general public has a right to know the facts associated with the controversy, insofar as doing so does not infringe upon the rights of the parties in question, as a part of our journalistic expression.
point made...end of discussion.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hey, Brent -
I just wanted to say thanks for your posts here on this thread - they have been very informative.
Also, I think it is worth noting that you are approaching this correctly.
You are willing to give this product an honest fair try; hopeful and yet going into it with no preconceived notions or expectations; doing your homework first to be reasonably sure the product is safe; and concerning yourself with the efficacy of the product, and not who made it, why they made it, who is making money off it, etc.
All that other stuff can be assessed later, depending on whether or not it seems to be of benefit to you.
My biggest question of the moment is: How will you know if it is working?
After all, in the Lyme World, herxing (or a worsening of symptoms) is considered an indication that the bugs are being killed. So, should that same logic be applied to the NutraSilver?
What do you think, Brent? You've studied and used silver products so have some familiarity with them. I would like your opinion on this.
Tracy
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
ashleygait Dont even bother or D.E.B. Or Scroll on Bye SOB
Its easier If it bothers you that much let em go or LEG
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Hey Brent...
I phoned this guy when the stuff was offered for FREE....
I would'nt pay for the mind zapping CD's either and did'nt post anything adverse until after I was supposed to get the stuff...
They must have recognized my name and decided not to send me any more free stuff...
Because I was on to their con games.
You inferred that I am an idiot huh?
Well let's see...you pay for stuff from who knows who because some guy with PhD or MD after their names say they did an in vitro study and
found that this silver stuff is a good alternative to anti=biotics.
Well so is Buhners protocol...as some say around here.
This guy on the phone I talked to said there would be no "Herxing" because the silver stuff is non-toxic... Course...this guy and your supposed doctors seem to forget that the disease when killed releases toxins which cause the herx in the first place...
So if there is NO herx...then there is NO killing of the spirochete... So I would say...this silver approach is useless.
But you go ahead and believe guys and girls with PhD or MD in front or behind their names...
God knows I ALWAYS believe these folks in my journey thru fighting lyme disease.... They've always diagnosed and treated me correctly...gods that they are!...LOLOLOL
If BYU does'nt want anything to do with this "study"(as you or they call it), there may be good reason...they don't want to be sued.
And who do we sue when this silver stuff does'nt work or possibly causes more harm to our systems....some guy on the phone??
He does'nt give out his real name or address or company or anything tangible we can latch on to to sue him... And you infer I'm an idiot!....HAH! Whatever!
I don't have to have a degree with letters after my name to know when something stinks to high heaven...
You all can go ahead and waist your money if you like.... this "idiot" will keep a lock on my pocket book...thank you very much...
I don't know if I would have put it in my body when it was offered for free anyway.
I like my body too much....
And you still did'nt answer my inquiry as to why this guy never sent me the stuff when he offered it for free.
The only logical deduction I can make is you are in some way communicating directly with this guy or you ARE the guy selling this stuff...
and I'm messing up your fraudulent sales pitch!
As you say...point made, case closed....
zman
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Tony, no offense intended with this comment, but why don't you direct your energies to getting well and reporting on what helps you, rather than getting mad at what you regard as various scams? Anyone with a chronic illness has limited energy and should focus it on getting well and finding what works for them, and ignore the rest. Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: My biggest question of the moment is: How will you know if it is working?
Tracy
The simple answer to that is that my life is improving. Long answer follows. My disease/infection was called subdural empyema. It's when a biofilm gets between your dural tissue. I've never gotten to the point in which I had the actual "pus" accumulation. (it's not really pus as we define it) but I had all the psychological symptoms and an entire sinus which had been obliterated.
Only certain pathogens can cause this type of destruction. This and other symptoms led me to chronic strep infection. rule out everything and what remains...
I've cleared my sinuses via irrigation with a traditional abx. (It felt as though a fire was being put out) but unfortunately the film was no longer only in my sinuses. Both my heart catheters were quickly infected with it. As of now I can feel the slime all around my skull including my face. At it's worse it could even be physically seen and felt by my wife. No hard bone just a softer type gel feel.
Which gets to how I know it's working besides just feeling better and thinking clearer. Currently I can rub my face and head and a hard skin and bone feel is developing. I also *feel* a sense of drying of the biofilm. A friction of sorts when I move my face. Kinda disgusting I know but chronic disease/infection is always so.
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: This guy on the phone I talked to said there would be no "Herxing" because the silver stuff is non-toxic... zman
End on agreement...no matter how one kills lyme there's the mess that develops and must be cleaned/detoxed from the system. You were told incorrectly.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Hey Brent...subdural empyema...no such animal...
empyema is a pus in the body cavity especially in the pleural cavity, and can move to the heart
or e interlobular in lobes of lungs e necessitatis pus escapes spontneously e pulsating which affects cardiac beats and pulsation of chest wall
e empyocele a collection of pus in sacculated cavity esp in the scrotum...a suppruating hydrocele...
so if you're feeling this in your sinus's or your face...cuz subdural means beneath the dura mater...which you could'nt possibly feel...
subdural space is between the arachnoid and duramater again which you could'nt possibly feel!
you have something else!
and you still have'nt answered my forthright and honest questions previously asked in my other posts...
how come?
zman
Posted by brentb (Member # 6899) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: so if you're feeling this in your sinus's or your face...cuz subdural means beneath the dura mater...which you could'nt possibly feel...
zman
Correct tony. When I irrigated my sinuses it cured my subdural empyema. A subdural empyema is dx by clinical symptoms and for those on this board they know what that means. Your dx as crazy and left to fend on your own.
It is no longer in my sinuses or was it ever in my dura.(I don't think). If it was I wouldn't be here probably. But again it is dx by clinical symptoms and of course I have a obliterated sinus which proves SOMETHING very nasty was up there. btw look up how subdural empyemas are started and you'll find it's via the sinuses. Now the chronic strep is between my face/skull bone and skin which I and my wife could both see and feel at one time.
As for your question I have no idea who he is or why he did not give you the silver. I live in Humble TX, Brent Borgers. I am not that person.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Brent. It is helpful to know what your experience has been with this and other "silvers".
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