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Posted by mtnwoman (Member # 8385) on :
 
www.cpnhelp.org

This is a site about treating infections of chlamydia pneumoniae with long term antibiotics, specifically for MS, but also for other illnesses.

There are so many similarities between treating Chlamydia and Bb. I only got to browse for about 15 minutes but I will be back. Lots of science covering the rationale for treatment.

Our board's science wonks will love this site.

It is a beautifully organized site as well.
 
Posted by david1097 (Member # 3662) on :
 
That is a good find. What they have found with that infections has some direct applicability to Lyme (ie why past injury sites seem to be a focus point for Lyme etc.)
 
Posted by Tj33 (Member # 7214) on :
 
Interesting site. Chlamydia Pneumoniae (CPn) bacteria sounds very simular to Lyme symptom wise. Lyme is mentioned often on the site...

Anemia due to Iron depletion by the CPn bug is a symptom. Seems like I have heard that before in regard to Lyme??

Maybe one way to get Lyme research past the PC barrier is to rename it. For example CPn2???

Tj
 
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
 
You might be interested in this:

J Infect Dis. 2005 Oct 1;192(7):1219-28. Epub 2005 Sep 2.

Detection of chlamydial bodies and antigens in the central nervous system of patients with multiple sclerosis.

PMID: 16136465

Chlamydia is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that OFTEN goes undetected.

Perfect buddy to Bb:


J Clin Invest. 2003 June 1; 111(11): 1647-1649.
doi: 10.1172/JCI200318770.

New insights into a persistent problem -- chlamydial infections
Richard P. Morrison
Department of Microbiology, Montana State University, Bozeman, Montana, USA

Tissue tropism of clinical ocular and genital Chlamydia trachomatis strains is shown to be linked to the tryptophan synthase genotype. It is suggested that, in the presence of IFN-γ, which depletes available tryptophan, there exist unique host-parasite interactions that may contribute to persistent chlamydial infection.

And...

Intro
There are 3 groups of bacteria that have a tiny genome: chlamydia, rickettsia and spirochetes (1/3 the number of genes of e. coli)

Chlamydia
- Chlamydia are bimorphic which is a fancy way of saying that they come in 2 stages: the elementary body and the reticular body.
- They have either no or a very small amount of peptidoglycan. This is why they are not susceptible to peptidoglycan inhibiting drugs such as penicillin.


For more:

http://www.uhmc.sunysb.edu/microbiology/spirochetes.html
 
Posted by Tj33 (Member # 7214) on :
 
Here is another bit...

Is chlamydia pneumoniae (CPn) rare?

No it is a common cause of respiratory illness, but it has an interesting and abnormal way of existing because it can change forms and inhabit the very cells of your body. It may actually cause pneumonia in the respiratory tract.

It can go into your monocytes (a blood cell), your macrophages (an immunei cell), microglia (a brain cell that causes immune reaction) endothelial cells (blood vessels) and others and actually take over. We say then it has parasitized the cell.

Your cell can't do the work it was meant to do now because it's busy supporting the CPn, all the energy of the cell going to make energy for the CPn and it using that energy to make new CPn cells.

For all intents and purposes, your cell is no longer a functional cell and cannot do what it was designed to do.
From CPNHELP.org

Sound familiar???

CPn seems to be another Immune deficiency disease.. It is airborne and can be spread by touch. The hands and sneezes are a good way of spreading it.

Sex is hard without touching...

Use Hand Sanitizer in public. I carry it with me in a small spray vial...

A N95 breathing mask would be a good idea if you are traveling on airplanes. About 5 bucks. Hardware and drugstores have them...

I still say that the modern diet of manmade transfats and low natural fats, is damaging the immune system. This is the real problem...

The bugs are happy to take advantage of it...

Tj
 


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