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Posted by savagek (Member # 13061) on :
 
IGM - 28 ++, 31 IND, 39 +, 41+, 58 +, 66 +, 83-93 IND
IGENEX IGM RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS RESULT POSITIVE

IGG - 39 IND, 41 +, 45 +
IGENEX RESULT NEGATIVE
CDC/NYS RESULT NEGATIVE

I wanted to post my results and here any opinions.

Thanks,

Rob
 
Posted by perplexed (Member # 1913) on :
 
up This will get you to the top so someone will see it that is more experienced in reading Western Blots.

Hugs, Perplexed [hi]
 
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
 
I would say you need to find a LLMD.

It looks like Lyme to me.

Hugs,

Geneal
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Absolutely positive in my book!! I think Dr C explains those bands pretty well!!

Western Blot explanation:
http://tinyurl.com/ffn3x

from the above link, by dr C of MO:

"One of my hopes is that doctors will someday realize that this controversy is a signal for them to search for the truth. Why is there such conflict in this very "political" disease if there is not substance for disagreement? Both IgG and IgM Western blots should be done for borreliosis.

With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.

Because Borrelia burgdorferi is a chronic persistent infection that may last for decades, you would think patients with chronic symptoms would have positive IgG Western blots.

But actually, more IgM blots are positive in chronic borreliosis than IgG. Every time Borrelia burgdorferi reproduces itself, it may stimulate the immune system to form new IgM antibodies.

Some patients have both IgG and IgM blots positive. But if either the IgG or IgM blot is positive, overall it is a positive result.

Response to antibiotics is the same if either is positive, or both. Some antibodies against the borrelia are given more significance if they are IgG versus IgM, or vice versa.

Since this is a chronic persistent infection, this does not make a lot of sense to me. A newly formed Borrelia burgdorferi should have the same antigen parts as the previous bacteria that produced it.

But anyway, from my clinical experience, these borrelia associated bands usually predict a clinical change in symptoms with antibiotics, regardless of whether they are IgG or IgM."

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28: An outer surface protein.

39: Unknown what this antigen is, but based on research at the National Institute of Health (NIH), other Borrelia (such as Borrelia recurrentis that causes relapsing fever), do not even have the genetics to code for the 39 kDa antigen, much less produce it. It is the most specific antibody for borreliosis of all.

41: Flagella or tail. This is how Borrelia burgdorferi moves around, by moving the flagella. Many bacteria have flagella. This is the most common borreliosis antibody.

45: Heat shock protein. This helps the bacteria survive fever. The only bacteria in the world that does not have heat shock proteins is Treponema pallidum, the cause of syphilis.

58: Heat shock protein.

66: Heat shock protein. This is the second most common borrelia antibody.

83: This is the DNA or genetic material of Borrelia burgdorferi. It is the same thing as the 93, based upon the medical literature. But laboratories vary in assigning significance to the 83 versus the 93.

93: The DNA or genetic material of Borrelia burgdorferi.

In my clinical experience, if a patient has symptoms suspicious for borreliosis, and has one or more of the following bands, there is a very high probability the patient has borreliosis.

"The significant antibodies, in my opinion, are the 18, 23-25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 39, 58, 66 and 93."...Dr C of MO

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"Many would say the " +/-" equivocal ["IND"] bands are not significant. The problem I have with that, is that there are "-" negative bands. The lab has no trouble calling some bands negative. So they must be seeing something when they put "+/-" at some bands.

The only thing that makes sense, is that there is a little bit of that antibody present in your serum. If the "+/-" equivocal is reported on the borrelia associated bands, it is usually significant, in my clinical experience. This is a strong clue that I am on the right track."
Dr C
 
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
 
My suggestion would be.. after seeing these results...

Be sure to be tested for Ehrlichiosis and Epstein Barr.

Hope you are feeling better soon!

[Big Grin]
 


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