When I get up in the middle of the night or in the morning I can hardly stand on my feet...it goes away but not quickly...
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
mine don't, but I also don't get up at night due to sleep meds.
sometimes it does feel like I am walking on hot beach sand, I don't know if this is what you mean by "hurt".
I have heard it could be Bart.
Cobby
Posted by janet thomas (Member # 7122) on :
Dr. J B has that on the symptom lst for Bart-soles of feet especially.
Posted by Tamera (Member # 13309) on :
I have had foot pain for almost a year. Saw a podiatrist for months, steriod injections into my right foot, physical therapy, ultrasound, night splints, etc...finally surgery to correct plantar faciiatis to my right foot one month ago. This all prior to my months of research leading to the possibility of lyme and ordering the testing supplies from igenex and taking it to my doc...still waiting on results. Now I read that foot pain ie: plantar faciitis, can be one of the symptoms of lyme. Maybe if I had waited a little longer, if this test is positive and I get treatment, I could avoided the surgery on my foot. I still have a lot of pain in that foot, it doesn't seem to have helped much. Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Hi yourtroubl
That would be a big yes! Mornings are the worst.They also hurt when I first get up from sleeping , sitting or laying down.
It does get a bit better like 5 or 10 minuets later walking around...But am first walking shuffling around like an old person the joint pain in my feet hurt so bad till I walk around enough. It lets up some but doesn't go away completley.
I think it's a bart symptom. And in my personal life bart has been as hard to kill off as my lyme. I could be wrong because joint pain is a big symptom of lyme & there are many joints in our feet.
My heart goes out to you. This symptoms really stinks
ps: I forgot to mention ~ if the first thing I do in the am is sink my feet in a hot bath it helps alot. But I am not good at remembering or using energy to do this. Am a bit slow to wake up in the am
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
yep! sounds like bartonella to me.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Yea.
I usually think it's from liver overload. But I tend to think most of our pain is from liver, lymph, and spleen overload.
I understand that toxins build up in the feet because of gravity, and also because it's a long way for the lymph system to pump toxins back up to our core where they can exit through the excretory system.
Maybe babs causes an exceptional amount of toxins.
So, detox, detox, detox.
I bought one EB-305 footbath session. Right, $50. to go soak my feet for 20 minutes. It was amazing and made my feet stop hurting for several days.
I've also gotten plantar fasciitis, probably due to lyme. It is treatable by a good massage therapist or craniosacral therapist.
You can also tend to this by yourself, by gently working the soles of your feet with your hands, directing energy, and imagine that the fascia is stretching and expanding.
Pain goes away, but inflammation comes back as long as we are full of those nasty toxins.
Copyright 2001 American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
Plantar Fasciitis
When your first few steps out of bed in the morning cause severe pain in the heel of your foot, you may have plantar fasciitis (fashee-EYE-tiss).
It's an overuse injury affecting the sole or flexor surface (plantar) of the foot.
A diagnosis of plantar fasciitis means you have inflamed the tough, fibrous band of tissue (fascia) connecting your heel bone to the base of your toes.
The condition starts gradually with mild pain at the heel bone often referred to as a stone bruise. You're more likely to feel it after (not during) exercise. The pain classically occurs again after arising from a midday lunch break.
A program of home exercises to stretch your Achilles tendon and plantar fascia are the mainstay of treating the condition and lessening the chance of recurrence.
In one exercise, you lean forward against a wall with one knee straight and heel on the ground. Your other knee is bent. Your heel cord and foot arch stretch as you lean. Hold for 10 seconds, relax and straighten up. Repeat 20 times for each sore heel.
In the second exercise, you lean forward onto a countertop, spreading your feet apart with one foot in front of the other. Flex your knees and squat down, keeping your heels on the ground as long as possible. Your heel cords and foot arches will stretch as the heels come up in the stretch. Hold for 10 seconds, relax and straighten up. Repeat 20 times.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
thanks for the info bejoy. Do you get joint pain in your feet too? Does the massage help with that also?
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
For years now when I wake up my feet are in severe pain!!!!!!!!!
SEVERE!!!!
Seem worse now when I take ambien, the few nights that I dont take it I feel less pain the next morning in my feet. Interesting.
Posted by listenswithcare (Member # 10719) on :
Yes, my LLMD says that is Bartonella symptom. Hurts most in the morning and alot of the time it is the heels of the feet that hurt the most.
I had it too. I still get it some from time to time, but not anywhere as bad as before Bart. treatment.
Robin
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
My feet began to hurt several years ago, especially when I first got out of bed.
Then it became painful all the time. I stopped shopping in the stores; between the foot pain and the fatigue, I just couldn't do it.
I have edema of my lower legs. My pain meds do help.
I massage the bottoms of my feet by rolling them over a golf ball. I used to massage by hand, but my thumbs have become weak.
Carol
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Oh Carol I am so sorry to hear this
My heart goes out to you
Have you tried using a beepie cart? I use the ones in walley world & it makes all the difference. I try to go to the stores that provide this feature. They have them in my grocery store too.
healing hugs Dana
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Just a quick thought to mention~ have you tried
Dandilion tea? It is a natural natural directics (sp?). I think lemon juice is too. I like to drink the dandilion tea around pms time because it helps with water gain.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
I have this chair/cane & use it on occation for longer trips out. It only weighs 28 oz's & I usually just hang it on my shoulderwhen I am walking or I use it for a cane & support to take the weight off my feet. This way I always have a place to sit down. Saved me on many occations:
For unknown reasons, a lot of toxins seem to leave our body...or accumulate in our feet.
Gravity impact?
Space travel and inhibition of gravity impact on immune system
MECHANISMS OF LYMPHOCYTE FUNCTION INHIBITION IN MICROGRAVITY.
D. Risin1, D. Cooper2, A. Sundaresan1 and N.R. Pellis3. Biotechnology Program, 3NASA/JSC and 1Wyle Laboratories, Houston, TX and 2Division of Immunochemistry, La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology, San Diego, CA.
Understanding the mechanisms of
suppression of immunological functions in space
is important for developing effective strategies for preventing and correcting immune impairments in astronauts, especially in long-term space missions.
Microgravity-induced immunosuppression at least partially could be due to the direct effects of changes in gravity on lymphocyte functions.
We have shown earlier that simulated and true microgravity (MG) inhibits lymphocyte locomotion in type I collagen (Pellis et al., 1994, 1997).
Approximation of microgravitational conditions at ground level has been attained by using rotating wall vessel bioreactor.
In this study, we have demonstrated that simulated MG dramatically inhibits the polyclonal activation of human lymphocytes induced by PHA, CD2/CD2R, CD3/CD28 or CD2/CD28 antibodies.
The same defect in activation was observed in mixed lymphocyte cultures and in the specific recall to tetanus toxoid in human lymphocytes and to Borrelia burgdorferi in murine T-lymphocyte lines.
The calcium ionophore ionomycin did not restore inhibited lymphocyte locomotion and activation, indicating that calcium flux is unaffected by simulated MG.
Direct activation of protein kinase C (PKC) by phorbol ester (PMA) substantially restored inhibited lymphocyte locomotion and activation. The restoration of lymphocyte locomotion was nearly to normal values (84%).
This suggests that the defect occurred in the signal transduction pathway upstream of the activation of protein kinase C.
Our preliminary data show that the restoration of locomotion by PMA is independent of the DNA synthesis.
Thus, these results indicate that simulated MG, and potentially true MG,
causes a fundamental defect in signal transduction that results in blunted locomotion and loss of proliferative response to activation signals.
(Supported by NRA OLMSA-02 and NSCORT #NAG5-4072 grants.)"
Bb's protein kinase C INHIBITOR, which looks to be PKC delta is the underlying MAJOR problem.
Posted by Tracy S (Member # 11246) on :
I know what you mean about hurting feet. The only time mine ever hurt is when I get up in the morning --- and it's right across the center where the arch is, it almost feels like the muscle in the bottom of my foot has shrunk overnight and it has to stretch back out. When it goes away, it doesn't bother me at all until the next morning.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Quick non-clinical tutorial in releasing the fascia of the foot:
Sit on the couch and cross your ankle over your leg so your ankle rests near your knee.
Place your thumb on the middle of the sole of your foot at the base of the arch just above your heal. Hold gently.
Now direct energy. How do you do that?
Imagine that you are sending energy down your arm through your hand and in to your foot. Keep imagining it.
Now imagine you are turning up the volume. Be patient.
You will feel your foot start to heat up a little. Then you will feel the tendon start to pulse as it releases. Voila!
Also, remember to drink more water with lemon to clear out the toxins.
And try to do some kind of excercise that flexes the knees and calves, so you can pump the lymph and clear irritating toxins out of the feet.
Epsom salt foot baths might also help.
Posted by blazinglyme (Member # 13320) on :
Hi yourtroubl,
I have the same problem with my feet. I have been treated for babs and bart, but still have this problem!
I have had lyme for 4 yrs now and have had it ever since than.
There r times I hate getting out of bed. I been in treatment for almost a yr., but haven't really helped my feet.
Best wishes
blazing lyme
Posted by sick (Member # 9143) on :
My feet hurt all the time. If I shop in a store much then they really hurt. I wear orthitics and specials shoes but nothing seems to help much. sick
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
5dana8, Thank you for your concern and suggestions.
I've never used the mobile carts, but I always have a regular cart to lean on.
I did buy dandelion tea, knowing that it's a diuretic. Blech, tastes like dirt.
I don't know if losing the extra fluid would help the foot pain. The entire structure, the bones and joints, hurt.
I did buy a folding cane to use. I've seen the chair-canes in catalogs and thought that they were a good idea.
With pain meds, I can take the foot pain for a little while. Then my whole body hurts, and I go to bed to meditate.
Now that I have it myself, I can recognize when I see somebody walking who's in pain.
Thanks for the suggestions! Carol
Posted by painted turtle (Member # 7801) on :
Yes I also have the shooting pains through my feet especially in the morning. My feet bottoms also used to burn. The burning has subsided with treatment, likely the shooting pains may be here to stay? Posted by nan (Member # 63) on :
One of my WORST symptoms in the beginning. TG it went away with treatment and time.
By the way, this does not always signify Bart. I never had that. I did have Babs, but have seen this plantar fasciitis linked to lyme in a number of places.
It kept me housebound for a long time because it was so painful to walk any distance at all.
Make sure you wear good walking or running shoe with arch supports inside as well. It does help. If I went back to a pair of flat shoes with little or no support, I paid for it! Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
For those of you that have joint pain in your feet I got a pair of shoes recently, that are the only ones I can wear now that don't aggravate my joint pain too much.
I like them because the upper that goes across my feet is made from a soft foam like material. Have tried other stretchie like foam upper shoes from the same company but they just slid around too much.
From www.footsmart.com The clog ~ type in Item # 71241 in the search box
They are pricey but I can't find any other shoes that don't make the problem worse right now.
* I have no financial ties to this company, just sharing what's helped me
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
I'd advise seeing a podiatrist. they may be able to fit you with a special orthodic to slip into your shoes.
That was so important.
If this is Plantar Fasciitis, you should NEVER walk barefooted unless in the shower. Stretch your foot before you get up to walk and there are specific stretches - and even a boot-like thing to wear in bed to keep the foot at a 90 degree angle to leg.
If you can't afford special orthodics the podiatrist can tell you the best ones over the counter.
Believe me, years of trying to treat this myself were wasted. I hope you can get evaluated by a doctor.
And, oh, my podiatrist suggested increasing my vitamin D and magnesium. Icing the foot really helps, too. If too cold, put a heating pad on your belly to counteract the body chill.
A specialist in feet at the PT clinic was great and ultrasound helped tons.
Also - Source Naturals has a wheat sprout or just a "super sprouts" (I think) tablet that helps tremendously. It helps raise the gluatione levels. and it is gluten-free. this helped my pain level all over, too.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Correction to previous statement
I got Source Naturals Super Sprouts long ago and thought it was labeled gluten-free. Well, the current label says "contains wheat/gluten and soy."
I don't know if I remember wrong or the doctor who recommended it to me thought I'd do okay on it (I did) although I avoid gluten. I thought spouts and grass were free of gluten.
So, add this to the debate about the gluten being in the sprouts even before the wheat grows into grain.
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Posted by JimBoB (Member # 8454) on :
My right heel hurt for over a year. It started when I was on a ladder for a few days working on the house. Nothing seemed to help much but time.
Then I started those detox pads and then after a week or so, my LEFT heel started hurting on the bottom where I had the detox pad. It was especially bad in the morning when I first got up and started walking, but gets better during the day.
I have quit the detox pads for several weeks now, but still have that pain in the mornings on the bottom of the left heel. Bugs me.
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It was amazing and made my feet stop hurting for several days. ![[dizzy]](graemlins/dizzy.gif)
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