Dr. JB and Dr. DK met last month at a think tank of a very small group of invited medical professionals.
I was told that they had a good meeting, healthy discussions and exchange of different aspects of treatment. Of course I asked Dr. K. ``did ya like him?'' and only someone who knows DK can understand this ``oh yes, he is a wooonderful guy, and handsome and young looking'' etc. They obviously have a great respect for each other.
I attended a 3-day seminar this last weekend when Dr. K. reminded the group, as he has done many times over the last many years, of ILADS and suggested that it is best to take a workshop at ILADS.
``The main thing is the 40-page protocol that you can find via Lymenet.org. JB has been the single leader in this one-man show who has really laid out all the truth and science, compiled it all and made it available. The protocol is of course straight antibiotic protocol. But do get it - it is the gold standard also in my thinking, and you will, at least the physicians here, often or sometimes have to resort to using antibiotics, and then use it under those guidelines.''
The seminar was about the Matrix Anatomy (blood vessels, lymph vessels, autonomic nerves, sensory or motor nerves, fibroblasts, collagen elastin, glucosaminoglycans and other proteoglycans, cell membrane of neighboring cells, cells of the immune system - mainly TH-1, nutrients and informational substances on their way into or away from the cell) and TOXINS. Lasers. And chronic disease and Lyme.
Dr. K. said:
``My main philosophy is that Lyme Disease never exists in a vaccum. It exists against the backdrop of toxicity.
When the toxicity is covered, you get to treat Lyme. Lyme Disease never exists as a solo organism - it is an eco-system. It is an eco-system of many microbes that facilitate each other to be solidly established in you. This eco=system involves viruses, fungi, bacteria and mycoplasm.
Really the main thing you have to know: When you treat Lyme Disease, you have to start with the parasites."
By ``When the toxicity is covered'', he means heavy metal toxicity, dental infections/wisdom teeth sites, and the toxins they release, chemical exposures, etc. and EMF exposure which he feels has become a major problem in recent years.
``When you treat Lyme Disease, I always start with taking away one of the major culprits - the parasites. It goes by size: you have Ascaris, and next to Ascaris - size of earthworms - in the gut - the Giardia and amoebas are living inside that; and inside the Giardia and amoeba live the bacterial infections, Mycoplasma and Lyme Disease and other things. And inside the Lyme Disease live the viruses.''
``So what happens when people treat Lyme Disease for years with antibiotics, and the moment you go away from antibiotics, out of the worms, hatching out - are the Giardia and amoeba, and out of them the Lyme Disease to repopulate the system within a few weeks.''
(Most of these critters, are storing heavy metals in their cell walls! Ask yourself what happens to the metals as you kill some of the critters! /gg)
``My treatment goes from big to small because of this. All this is very well established in the parasitology literature. This is not a myth. Treatment goes from big to small. We eliminate the big creatures first.''
I will post at a later time how he addresses the parasites. I have done it many times before in other posts.
Be sure to note the quotation marks - I am quoting Dr. K. as good as I can - he thinks at the speed of light.
Take care.
Just sharing my experiences.
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[ 16. October 2007, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I fully believe in the order that Dr. K outlines and the theory behind organisms reappearing if the order is not considered.
As for DK and JB meeting with other doctors, I think this is an incredible step forward. I hope that there will be something published that summarizes the meetings with these incredible doctors.
I understand JT, RS, EG, GN and several others were also in attendance. I think I would have been star-struck... Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hey, Scott, if you Google "parasites, Klinghardt" yours is the first website to show! Posted by johnlyme1 (Member # 7343) on :
I am surprised yet there has not been any mention of Enderlein's theory of pleomorphism yet. If the terain is so all-important why has not anyone mentioned it yet?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Hey, Scott, if you Google "parasites, Klinghardt" yours is the first website to show!
Pretty cool!!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Yahoo! Currently my two favorite people on the planet for giving me my life back. No, for actually giving it to me for the first time ever.
I memorized both their protocols before I was ever sent away bewildered from my first ID duck. Nice to see the two most brilliant lyme docs rubbing elbows.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
johnLyme, please google Enderlein Klinghardt -- Enderlein and Sanum were very much part of my recovery. I do not post it here, because ..... because........because.......... You wanna guess?
I hope you learn something from my posts and get well.
Take care.
Just telling about my experiences.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I am from ear to ear! If there are two lyme literate people that could find the answers for us it is these two great doctors.
I'm so thrilled that Dr B made the decision to close his never ending lyme world practice. I'm sorry for his patients. He is out there trying hard to find the answers.
My hope that all of us will find the answer and truth someday soon.
Pam
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
up ------ More people need to know this.
Posted by lymster (Member # 5964) on :
yes, more people needd to know this. Gigi, thanks for posting it.
Lymster in WA
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I still think they are going about it the wrong way, unless they plan on eradicating all microrganisms on the planet (which they will never do) - microorganisms that are happily reproducing inside of us due to artificial EMF exposure.
I just ordered this book:
"Impossible Extinction: Natural Catastrophes and the Supremacy of the Microbial World" by Charles S. Cockell.
I don't even have to read it to know that, until we turn off the artificial EMFs, the microbes win.
These microbes have a purpose. Who are we to kill them? I think I'm going to embrace mine. They obviously think I'm a good host for when the planet explodes from electromagnetic pollution - which will happen by the time the 4th generation cell phone/wireless technologies come out in the year 2010.
Posted by lymster (Member # 5964) on :
Dear Tailz: I don't think that they are going about it the wrong way; however I do agree with you that during the last 10 years our world, for good or bad, has changed dramatically due to technology.
We will not be able to erradicate all microbes; but we will have to adapt to live in harmony with them. Many microbes have a very simple form, they can adapt way faster than us, humans.
I am not Dr K's or Dr B's patient, but I watched several DVD'S from Dr K and my perception is that his main point is to live in harmony, microbes aren't going anyway; either do we, so our only choice is to adapt.
Just my personal opinion, evolution is a silent and subtle change but very real.
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