This is muscle testing. There has been a malpractice case won against a dentist who used this as a diagnostic method. ************************************************* Neuraltherapy.com/articles.asp
ART Laws by Dr. DK
The First law of A.R.T. - the law of resonance between 2 identical substances ( this law has been most clearly identified by the research of Y.Omura,M.D.): if a substance is held in the energy-field of a person and the indicator muscle weakens, the identical substance is in the body ( resonance between 2 identical substances). If the substance is only in a particular organ, ganglion or other structure, the test-substance has to be held exactly over this area. A variation of this test is the most common A.R.T. test: the examiner finds a structure, that therapy-localizes (while holding it, the indicator muscle weakens). The indicator-muscle becomes strong, when the resonating substance is placed anywhere on the patient.
The second law of A.R.T. - 2-Pointing: if the examiner therapy-localizes more then one structure, ganglion etc. during the A.R.T.-body scan or examination, 2 structures (or more) may be affected by the same toxin or infection or one structure may affect one or more others . If the indicator muscle weakens, while holding one of these structures but strengthens, while holding another (that weakened, when held alone), there is a) either a cause/effect relationship between the two or b) they are both affected by the same toxin/infection . The 2nd law of A.R.T. is therefore really a variation of the 1st law.
The Third Law of A.R.T.- Resonance between the Examiner and the Patient : the examiner's body acts exactly like any other substance held into the energy field of the patient. If the doctor is toxic with the same substance that is causing the patient's illness or that is stored in one ore more of the patient's tissues, the test will be affected as outlined in the 1st and 2nd law of A.R.T. Therefore, the 3rd law is really a variation of the 1st law also (but overlooked in any other school of kinesiology).
As outlined in the A.R.T. manual, also the patient has this effect on the examiner. Therefore no two examiners can find the same problems in a given patient, unless both examiners are free of stored toxins, infections, root canal filled teeth, untreated scars, active psycho-emotional conflicts, have not recently consumed foods they are allergic to etc..The 3rd law results in a simple postulate: the A.R.T. practitioner has to continuously strive to improve their own health. The practitioner should be "ahead" of their healthiest patient (Quote: Ann Mc Combs,D.O.).
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I did some research & it seems kind of "iffy". Type "muscle testing" or "applied kineselogy" (spelling?) in Google - you'll get some info.
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
...It's a bunch of superstitious BS akin to fretting over whether a cat sleeps near your bed....
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
It might be wise, Ko, to look elsewhere for answers to this subject. Most of the answers you have gotten so far are totally incorrect and/or inappropriate for anyone not familiar with ART.
If you can find a seasoned ART practitioner or other biofeedback method before you spend a fortune on medicines, pharmaceuticials or herbals and nutrients, and you will benefit and avoid a lot of pitfalls and painful experiences; it avoids shooting in the dark when choosing a medicine/nutrient that is supposed to help us to get well. It is wonderful to just simply find and pinpoint allergic foods. With only that we are way ahead of the game. Allergies cause inflammation, inflammation cause us to gain weight, etc. etc. or some other extreme.
ART was the major reason I am cured from Lyme Disease. It helped me to become aware of all all the underlying problems that I have found are often a part of Lyme Disease. Lyme Disease never is just Lyme Disease. I have not seen anyone cured of Lyme Disease unless all problems -toxicities, chemicals, heavy metals, viruses, parasites, fungi, mold, unresolved emotional conflicts, etc. - were addressed. The best tool to find all the associated problems is with a sound method of kinesiology/muscle testing/ART/EAV. Lab testing is expensive or not available. My favorite energetic testing, which I now am learning myself, is ART. I practice it at home, with my family and friends, whoever is looking to solve a problem or for an answer. It works incredibly well for me and thousands of others, probably millions.
By the way, the person reporting on a legal matter is not fully informed. It couldn't be further from the truth. I happen to know the dentist in person. A fine man. We all know that the world and quackwatch can be vicious.
Charlie, you didn't read or only heard parts of the story about cats and dogs. These lovely creatures have nothing to do with muscle testing in this case. I am sure you have heard of a dog or animal warning of impending earthquakes --- they also sense geopathic stress. If you have never heard of it, look it up -- dogs avoid it -- cats don't mind sleeping in the energetic field of underground waters/geopathic stress and even if you live in a skyscraper - the higher up, the stronger the field! Geopathic stress can be deadly for neurological problems.
Geopathic stress exposure is also one I paid particular attention to - especially for neurological symptoms. Because we have no other method to test or measure geopathic stress as yet, either stick with a dowser or watch your cat or dog. I do not sleep where a cat sleeps! My dog helps to determine the right place for me to rest undisturbed by geopathics.
Hey, but my dog (the sweetest black standard poodl called Sumi) has been muscle tested - run over by a car at age 14, muscle tested before a procaine injection (Neural Therapy) by my doctor's nurse!!! Sumi is alive and well today at age 16. Today I would also laser her back injury with my little green laser. It works on pain like nothing else in a couple of minutes. Read about Fritz Popp, PhD. and biophotons if you are curious about lasers.
Take care.
Sharing my experiences.
[ 20. November 2007, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
what is muscle testing? hocus pocus.
just my opinion. its your life.
dilly
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I agree with GiGi. Those that jump to conclusions about something they have little or no personal experience with are likely missing out. ART has been a key to my own recovery.
It is disappointing to see some throwing out legal cases, etc. when they likely have limited knowledge of the technique being discussed.
Research / experience for yourself. You may like what you find.
Posted by susan2health (Member # 10446) on :
The best "kinesthetic" testing by far that I've experienced was by a very skilled ART practioner.
I received some very helpful information.
Regular muscle testing has been inconsistent for me, but I don't live in an area where I know alot of skilled muscle testers, and there is no one trained in ART.
Fascinating info about cats/dogs and geopathic stress--my cats sleep within view of an electric transformer in our back yard. And my bed on the second floor is even closer! Makes me want to get or borrow a dog.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
I have used muscle testing for many years and I have found it to be an invaluable tool. I'm afraid to think of what would have happened to me without it.
I'm too tired tonight to expound on the subject but I'll try to come back tomorrow and post a bit more.
I absolutely love it and there are physicians who use it. I've known several.
I don't know the circumstances of the dentist who was sued for using muscle testing?? Have you got any links for that please Sarah?
Oh, by the way, there are many methods of muscle testing. Some better than others. I've never used ART but I've heard good things about it.
ART (Autonomic Response Testing) is not used to diagnoses diseases. It is used to determine the root causes of illness.
Sharing my experiences.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
i am just beginning my journey with ART, but so far have had amazing experiences.
also, many things my ART practitioner told me are backed by prior blood tests (of which she had no knowledge before muscle testing me).
i find that in seeking the most effectual treatments for a complex illness such as lyme, it is best to be open-minded.
[ 20. November 2007, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: heiwalove ]
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Okay, no offense to anyone here but I wanted to understand the facts of this case against the dentist. This is what I found.
This dentist was not found guilty because of the way he used ART (muscle testing) itself -- that charge was rejected. Excerpt from actual court documents in State of Florida Division of Administrative Hearings Case No.: 99-004690 doah.state.fl.us/internet/ if you want to look up the documents.
Petitioner failed to establish that Respondent engaged in fraud or deceit.
Petitioner alleged that Respondent's use of his dental assistant as an indirect tester during the ART evaluation constituted misconduct. .... The passive role played by the dental hygienist in serving as an indirect tester for ART is not an irremedial task within the meaning of Section 466.024(1), Florida Statutes.
Consequently, Petitioner's allegation that Respondent committed misconduct by using his dental hygienist as an indirect tester is rejected.
This is what he actually was found guilty of with all other charges rejected -- Summary: Dentist failed to maintain adequate records and proof of financial responsibility. Dentist practiced below standard of care by using unconventional diagnostic methodology.
In the end he was in trouble for errors in his dental record keeping, not having the right insurance and for practicing substandard dentistry according to the Dental Board to which the appellate opinion stated "It may seem unfortunate for this dentist that the Board has made him an example of the type of dentistry the board has decided to discourage, but the board is given precisely that power."
How is this any different than LLMD's being harassed and taken to court because they are using treatment the IDSA discourages -- the long-term use of antibiotics for Lyme. It's Standard Dentistry versus Biological Dentistry, the same as ILADS treatment versus IDSA guidelines in my opinion. I'm sorry to see these divisions in either field but they exist.
Also I agree, Gigi, that quackwatch is not a reliable source of info since the guy running it has admitted in court that he was untruthful about his credentials and he has been discredited as a reliable witness. He also calls the treatment LLMD's use quackery and I don't think people here accept that either.
We don't need to use a discredited source when the court documents are available online without a lot of biased comments attached like on quackwatch.
I don't know this dentist but I think it is only fair to him to try to post accurate facts about his case.
Looking
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Muscle testing is only hocus pocus if the doc/healer is phony. We are know there are alot of phony doctors out there that do a lot of quack quack. I'm talking with ID and all those other big time initials after their name.
So you do need to find a muscle tester that interested in aiding you in regaining your health. A good one will be able to help you find out which meds/supps are beneficial and which you are taking are actually harmful to you.
So anyone looking and researching muscle testing be sure you understand the fundamentals behind it. Then maybe you will decide you could use someones help muscle testing you. Seek and you will find.
Pam
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
Muscle Testing is anytime you bring your brain to LymeNet.
Here's a link to the Wikipedia page on muscle testing.
Because nearly all AK tests are subjective, many regard the practice with skepticism.
The AK practitioner applies the pressure, but this practitioner is also the one who decides if one push is stronger than another.
This is considered by some a conflict of interest: the AK practitioner will benefit if AK is perceived by the client as effective, but the AK practitioner is the one who actually determines how effective the practice has been, because he or she subjectively applies pressure to the patient's muscle or muscles.
This weakness in the AK system allows for the possibility of fraudulent practice.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
You're right it is my life. It was the hand I was dealt for whatever reason. Just like any other situation in MY life, I'm handling it.
I believe I'm here to help others and nobody that posted above and tried to make me look like a fool that doesn't know anything about science....
are of any importance to folks like myself who are trying with all their heart and soul to help ourselves and others on this board. They only feed and destroy.
Pam
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
Pam,
I don't think GreatCod nor I are trying to make you seem like a fool. Nor do I have an opinion on your doctor.
I htink people make assumptions.
People in our local group get muscle tested all the time.
Some find it helpful. I am glad for them.
This is, however, a form of diagnosis which IS OPEN to fraud. There ARE bad people out there.
I am NOT saying your person/doctor is one of them. But people who don't know anything about it have the right to know what it is- and what is is is an unproven, unscientifically-based faith healing really. Faith in the person- and as you said- faith in oneself in that regard-
And many times this kind of thing can be helpful- and do no harm-
And even, be wonderful! but it DOES have the potential for harm-
And to a newbie asking what it is-
They have the right to know WHAT it is.
Personally, I am one of the most superstitious people you could ever meet!!!!
I knock on wood like crazy.
I will also admit there is no scientific basis there!!! but I still do it.
Pam, I think you find personal judgment where there is not necessarily any. I don't think it is crazy of people to go to muscle testers. I don't think people are fools- I think they have faith in things= and sometimes that faith is warranted!! And sometimes it is not.
I believe there are a great many doctors who use muscle testing as a way of backing up treating for things that people may not be blood positive for- I'm all for that, I am.
But newbies have a right to the information we have which can help them if they were to meet a practitioner who was not well-meant- because they are out there, antibiotic treating LLMDs too! (Any LLMD who puts people on IV right away who are not neuro is dangerous for example).
I don't think this needs to be personal. I know I didn't mean anything that way-
Very sincerely, Sarah
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
p.s. Pam, I reread my earlier post and I saw where you could think that I was disrespectful although I did not mean it that way. I am sorry and I will try to be more respectful in the way I phrase things in the future because it was not my intention to be like that- Sincerely, Sarah
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Please note I added the word "inappropriate" etc. in my post above.
Applied Kinesiology ( AK) is not Autonomic Response Testing (ART). It never has been in all the years I have been treated with ART. If you hadn't "destroyed" the thread on "Blocked Regulation" you would have been able to gain an understanding of what muscle testing is about.
It would be wise to debate a subject matter if you knew what you are debating. Comparing apples with cucumbers does not serve anyone here.
Sharing my experiences.
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
What I wrote was totally impersonal..it was a comment on the conflict mode that is present in so many threads, not on any person.
Posted by Michelle M (Member # 7200) on :
I have no personal experience with muscle testing. However, I cannot find much on PubMed which seems supportive. There certainly exists a possibility that all the muscle testers taking part in this study were bad muscle testers. I am glad that some of you have found it helpful.
Applied kinesiology unreliable for assessing nutrient status. Kenney JJ, Clemens R, Forsythe KD.
Pritikin Longevity Center, Santa Monica, California.
Applied kinesiology is a technique used to assess nutritional status on the basis of the response of muscles to mechanical stress. In this study, 11 subjects were evaluated independently by three experienced applied kinesiologists for four nutrients (thiamin, zinc, vitamin A, and ascorbic acid). The results obtained by those applied kinesiologists were compared with (a) one another, (b) standard laboratory tests for nutrient status, and (c) computerized isometric muscle testing. Statistical analysis yielded no significant interjudge reliability, no significant correlation between the testers and standard biochemical tests for nutrient status, and no significant correlation between mechanical and manual determinations of relative muscle strength. In addition, the subjects were exposed in a double-blind fashion to supplements of thiamin, zinc, vitamin A, and ascorbic acid and two placebos (pectin and sucrose) and then re-tested. According to applied kinesiology theory, "weak" (indicating deficiency) muscles are strengthened when the subject is exposed to an appropriate nutritional supplement. Statistical analysis revealed no significant differences in the response to placebo, nutrients previously determined (by muscle testing) to be deficient, and nutrients previously determined (by muscle testing) to be adequate. Even though the number of subjects (11) and nutrients (4) tested was limited, the results of this study indicated that the use of applied kinesiology to evaluate nutrient status is no more useful than random guessing.
PMID: 3372923 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
michelle, pubmed is not the place to look for correct information on anything that could even remotely be considered 'alternative medicine.' so that study means nothing to me.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Hi Ko:
In order for you to fully understand about muscle testing it is necessary to have access to reliable info on the subject. There is controversy about it, so often you will see one-sided info including links to sites that are weighted with negative information.
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a reliable source by their own admission as anyone can post unverified info there and they have on many occasions.
Quote: "Because Wikipedia is an ongoing work to which, in principle, anybody can contribute, it differs from a paper-based reference source in important ways. In particular, older articles tend to be more comprehensive and balanced, while newer articles more frequently contain significant misinformation, unencyclopedic content, or vandalism. Users need to be aware of this to obtain valid information and avoid misinformation that has been recently added and not yet removed."
The same is true on this board as you see some only look for negatives about a topic even though they haven't used it but there are many finding muscle testing to be a very useful tool in their health care, including myself. Of course you need a reliable experienced practitioner as with any health treatment or you may not benefit from it.
I'm sure if you read all information on the subject with an open mind you will be able to reach a conclusion you are comfortable with.
Looking
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
Here is a study that shows evidence of effectiveness in muscle testing (AK). Other studies reach no such conclusions. I favor evidence over ego.
This whole idea that one person's experience defines the "Truth" and that unless you believe them you are being negative is silly, unless all treatment outcomes including failures are considered. My way or the Highway is not mature.
1: Int J Neurosci. 1998 Dec;96(3-4):237-44.Links Correlation of applied kinesiology muscle testing findings with serum immunoglobulin levels for food allergies.Schmitt WH Jr, Leisman G. Applied Neuroscience Laboratories, The College of Judea and Samaria, Ariel, Israel.
The pilot study attempted to determine whether subjective muscle testing employed by Applied Kinesiology practitioners, prospectively determine those individuals with specific hyperallergenic responses. Seventeen subjects were found positive on Applied Kinesiology (A.K.) muscle testing screening procedures indicating food hypersensitivity (allergy) reactions. Each subject showed muscle weakening (inhibition) reactions to oral provocative testing of one or two foods for a total of 21 positive food reactions. Tests for a hypersensitivity reaction of the serum were performed using both a radio-allergosorbent test (RAST) and immune complex test for IgE and IgG against all 21 of the foods that tested positive with A.K. muscle screening procedures. These serum tests confirmed 19 of the 21 food allergies (90.5%) suspected based on the applied kinesiology screening procedures. This pilot study offers a basis to examine further a means by which to predict the clinical utility of a given substance for a given patient, based on the patterns of neuromuscular response elicited from the patient, representing a conceptual expansion of the standard neurological examination process.
PMID: 10069623 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
In ART, it is rare that the practitioner is doing direct testing. Some do, but the creator of the system himself does not. Most commonly, there is someone in the middle that the testing is being done against. Thus, the practitioner is not even using the muscle of the patient and thus some of the earlier comments in this post do not apply. In other forms of muscle testing, that may be the case, but in ART, it is generally not.
I agree that treatment of Lyme is open to fraud. There are good doctors and bad doctors. Good people and bad people. Everyone gets that. I doubt that the people that come to Lymenet as "new" have any less likelihood of understanding that than those of us that have been here for awhile.
You can argue that muscle testing might have potential for harm. I can argue that not using it as a tool may also hold potential for harm - much more likely in my opinion.
There have been studies in Europe where ART was evaluated and was found to be the most accurate form of muscle testing out there.
Also for those attempting to treat Lyme with only therapies where clear scientific evidence is available that suggests the treatment cures their disease, please share with us what those treatments might be. Antibiotics alone certainly aren't that in my opinion.
Posted by roro (Member # 13383) on :
The science behind it has not been proven.
However, I try to keep an open mind.
Just think of how before germs were discovered. Scientists were ridiculed for saying doctors shoudl wash their hands because there were tiny things that you could not see causing disease. I am sure that sounded crazy at the time. Invisible things called germs?
But then again, at that same time, there were probably ten other theories that were widely practiced that we now know were total crap.
so until there is more hard science or at least an explanation that makes sense to explain the mechanism, I am not going to be spending $$$ on it.
I may try a sessin or two, but if I don't see results I will stop. same thing with acupuncture and chiropracter, I tried it, it didn't work for me, not going to waste any more $$$
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Seems to me that muscle testing is more of an art then a science.
It may well be helpful if you find a reliable practicioner but it's seems best to use it in conjunction with other forms of healing.
The placebo effect is real & people do get better if they feel comfortable with the method being used to heal them.
Dr. Bernie Seigel wrote some books about this aspect of healing.
The mind is very powerful when it comes to getting better.
For example - if someone has cancer & they have a belief that radiation therapy is a "death ray" - then, this form of therapy won't be effective for them.
Even if the scientific studies show it works...
Alot of medicine & healing has to do with the mind & what the individual beliefs are for the person being healed.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Muscle testing has been invaluable to me in my healing.
I'm at about 90% after one year tx, and 20-30 years of lyme with fibro fatigue and neuro, so something is working!
My approach is to look at all the scientific data on a product or treatment, then use muscle testing along with a good practitioner to help me decide if it is the right treatment for me, when, how much and for how long.
I happen to have an excellent practitioner who is scheduled out three months at a time, only because they won't schedule out farther than that.
There are plenty of quacks out there who will "muscle test" sell you loads of supplements, and gladly take your money!
Muscle testing makes no sense to me on a scientific level. There is no logical reason I can come up with about why it should work.
Yet I have found it to consistently be a very valuable tool. I've even taught my kids to do it, and they come up with the same results as I do in blind tests. Go figure.
I wouldn't expect every type of personality to be comfortable with muscle testing.
Personally, I'm not comfortable with the approach of having my doctor tell me exactly what to do without ever questioning it or looking it up.
Some people are eternally grateful for the authoritarian type of treatment, and good for them if they have an excellent physician.
Good thing there seem to be many different effective approaches for lyme treatment, because there are so many kinds of people.
Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
Glad to see you're 90% better, Bejoy! I hope you'll get your 10% some time soon! The last phases take a bit longer, but when we feel that better, it's already a great achievement!
Glad to see that some articles about muscle tests start to appear on scientific publications, some with more positive outcomes than neutral/ negative!
If I hadn't got lyme, I would NEVER ever would have seriously tried muscle tests. Now, I'm an advocate of it!!
When dealing with complicated diseases like lyme, when we're lost in a multitude of symptoms of which we have no clue about, changing symptoms, dozens if not more pathogens creating symptoms, die off reactions, neurological, cardiological, rheumatological, hormonal disturbances, allergies, heavy metals, other toxins, coagulation, high and low blood pressure... I mean, this is a bit too much for any brain...
What to do first? was my ever lasting question. My answers were only more doubts.
I have to confess it was out of desperation that I went into my first ART visit. After being denied treatment from 15 conventional doctors / specialists in 2 countries here in Europe. My diagnostic was always 'post lyme disease' = no treatment.
I found that every time I left the office of my 2 ART practioners, I had a few of the answers I was looking for. First, they were the only ones that diagnosed me with lyme disease and with a few tick born coinfections, parasites, viruses.
They saw my heart was in trouble, even before I told them. That I was very sick, despite the fact I was walking and talking during the time I saw them for the 1st time. They got many other diagnostics on my thyroid, heavy metal intoxication, cavitations, bad functioning ANS etc...
I don't know if these answers were right to 100%, but I followed them as a guideline.
I think I owe muscle tests my improvements. Both ART during the time I was not functioning well, in lyme hell, and simple plain muscle tests, after I got better and could do the thing by myself.
It's true that in my case, as Scott said, the naturopath used ANOTHER person's muscles to test me, NOT MY OWN. I had NO CLUE what she was doing, nor the results of tests, nor her questions to the intermediate person's arms.
And she medicated me through these tests. Only after I got better, she started to use my own muscles, but not before. But I still had no clue of what were her questions to my arms, as she never speaks them outloud. It's a total silent dialogue in between my body and her body/ brain. That would make the skeptics even more skeptics because this sounds impossible!!
A third person's body reacted to my health issues under a silent question of my naturopath (neither me, nor the intermediary person knew the questions)?? Sounds too crazy to be true.
And now I'm a full believer of it! But I don't expect anyone to believe it. I also prefer to explain it more like an art than anything else.
I'm happy I went into this way of treating, as I really felt I short cut my treatment time. People could think of it under placebo, I don't mind. I think I won this lyme battle, that's what matters!
But a problem I see with muscle tests is the interval. After 10 days on a protocol, I felt urge to change the protocol, getting tested again etc. This was the optimal period of time for ME. Even better would be weekly tests, but I suppose, it's very expensive to do so for everyone.
I was doing muscle tests only 1x a month, sometimes even less. Not enough, I kept changing my own protocols in between (by my own), 2 weeks was my maximum in the same protocol. After that, progress got slower. The first 10 days on a combo, I felt clear improvement. But after, I needed re-testing. No budget for that.
These monthly visits really felt like adjusting my main guidelines of treatment. I got out of my own random trial and error again. It was like I was following a line with some logic behind, not a total chaotic sequence of treatment of which I had no clue of the outcome, more like lottery.
In the end, when I learned to do it myself and my body was not that 'sick' anymore, I was muscle testing about 40-50 different substances I took in a single day.
All sorts of things from enzymes, homeopathics, cleansers, vitamins, minerals, herbs for killing, herbs for immune system, metal binders, herbs for each organ in trouble, thing for specific symptoms, program for my KMT machine, time for intake, combinations and separations etc etc.
Yes, it's not a 100% thing to believe, for sure. Sometimes the answers get mixed up, or come blurred. It doesn't work well when I'm exhausted, for example. It works ZERO under blocked regulation, like explained in the other thread. But when it's working well, it's an excellent tool for guidance, in my opinion.
It's nice to see other people trying muscle tests! It IS an art, I also believe so. I also believe it is an art to treat chronic lyme, no matter what method one chooses!
Selma
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
hardy, great post explaining your ART testing experience. I haven't been blessed enough to have a true ART practioner(as Gigi explains), but I experienced two practioners that did used the alternative AK.
Both of these chiro docs did great things for me and my treatment that involved parasites, bacteria, viruses, etc. They were able to help me get answers to many unanswered questions after 5 years of the unknowns.
Pam
Posted by micul (Member # 6314) on :
But Dr, Don't I Need To Have Muscles For This?
[ 23. November 2007, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: micul ]
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
micul, was that Dr. Quack? Then the patient probably replied, I did come years ago and you told me to take this pill and all my troubles would be gone.
Pam
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
This is an area that is open for so much debate and argument. There are heated arguments about it on Fibro/CFS boards, too.
I am just learning about ART - definately need to learn a lot more about it. Several months ago when I saw a Chiropracter do this with my sister at a Lyme Fund Raiser I thought it was really wacky. It's funny how having a controversial disease can open your eyes to so many new ideas, though. Since then I've paid more attention to posts on it and I'm trying to keep an open mind.
This week when on Scott's site I reviewed Dr. K's treatment plan and he talked about ART. I think that did it for me - I am a believer!
The woman that does my Lyme Drainage with the Lone Star machine does ART - I'm going to ask her more about it on Monday. I don't think my Lyme Dr practices it - but I'm guessing he believes in it as he is definately an "alternative" doctor.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma, that was really (another) excellent post about how you became a believer in muscle testing and ART.
Would you consider `copying and pasting' this post over onto the ``Learning to Muscle Test Yourself'' thread? I think it would be very beneficial for people to understand how you got where you are today! And that includes the part about being so sick and `blocked' that the tester made adjustments to compensate.
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