I recieved this email from Randy Sykes--some very interesting information as to what has happened to us.
"Please visit www.lymecryme.com This web site proves a cover up to prevent the diagnoses and treatment of Lyme Disease. These are all government documents including one document from Plum Island that proves they worked with Mycoplasma Strains on Plum Island and named it VOM Plum. Over 70% of all people with chronic illness are infected with Mycoplasmas. Also over 70% of all ticks in CT carry the Mycoplasma infection. Please view the papers on this web site and if you agree that this is fraud with the intent to do harm please sign the petition. You can view what other people are saying by clicking on the signature link above the petition.
There are two types of people in CT. Those who have lyme disease, and those that are going to have lyme disease. Thanks, Randy"
Posted by david1097 (Member # 3662) on :
can someone point me to where the website shows ...the government documents including one document ...
the site has some good steere papers... it really looks like he is changing his tune... but is does not have the proof of the other stuff... at least from what i can see.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Goto his webpage and read everything in the left hand column
"When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government, you have Tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND
The health status of the entire World has been and continues to be compromised in several ways by combinations too powerful to be suppressed in the ordinary way.
In the early 70s chronic illness were not epidemic in our country unlike today with Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Lupus, MS, and ALS and many other debilitating illnesses that have been linked to Lyme Disease as you will see from papers on this web site.
This Web Site contains published papers from both camps that show treatment failure and inaccurate testing. We therefore demand, both United States Houses of Congress to investigate Lyme Disease Diagnosis, Testing, and Treatment protocols currently under the Center for Disease Control, CDC, The Infectious Disease Society of America, IDSA, the American Medical Association, AMA, and the American Academy of Neurology.
If After Viewing The Information On This Web Site You Understand That This Is Fraud With Intent To Do Harm, Please Sign The Attached Petition. This Petition Will Be Sent To Every Senator, Congressman, Attorney General, State Rep, And Several Law Firms Within The U S
This is a global petition and is not restricted to USA residents.
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SIGN PETITION SIGN PETITION Link Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Sample of works on this website.
Many Of The Following Links Show The Intent To Not Detect Neurological Lyme
Plum Island- Pub Med Article, It Is So True That Plum Island Experimented With Mycoplasma's That One Strain Even Has The Name VOM Plum From Plum Island.
Mycoplasma And LYME rix Suppress The Immune System And the Production Of Antibodies, Thus Chronic Lyme Will Test Negative And The Victums Are Tolerized To Fungal Infections.
IDSA, Gary Womser Discussing How OspA Or LYMErix Supress The Immune System. He Knows Chronic Lyme Will Test Sero Negative And That LYME rix Wasn't An Effective Vaccine. How Can The IDSA Prove The Lyme Bacteria Has Been Eradicated In 21 days?
Krause States The P66 Primer Is Much More Accurate Than The OspA Primer, So Why Is The IDSA Supporting The OspA Primer???
Inadequacy Of Testing, Quest Uses Strain B31Which Has No OspC. OspC Is Associated With Brain Invasion. OspC Is Band 23. SmithKline Used Strain B31 To Falsely Qualify The LYMErix Vaccine. CDC IGM Criteria Are Two Out Of Three Of The Bands,23,39,Or 41kD. Using B 31 Is How They Proport That There Is No Neurological Lyme In America.
UCONN, Padula Patent, 5,620,862, Strain B31 Is An Abnormal Strain. 54 Base Pair Deletion Of Part Of OspC Gene. This Means If You Have band 23 And Are Tested With Strain B 31 Band 23 Won't Show Up In The Western Blott. This Means Neurological Lyme Won't Be Detected Using This Strain.
Science News, John Dunn At Brook Haven Say's To Use OspA Plus OspC As A Vaccine But The Steere Lyme Camp Say's These Antigens Are Not Specific Enough To DIAGNOSE Lyme.
Per Barbour, An Important Aspect Of The Invention IsThe Recognition That Borrelia VMP-Like Sequences Recombine At The VLS Site, With The Result That Antigenic Variation Is Virtually Limitless. Muticlonal Populations Therefore Can Exist In An Infected Patient So That Immunological Defenses Are Severely Tested If Not Totally Overwhelmed.
Pub Med, Feder Say's Don't Believe What You See On The Internet. He Is Referring To Any MD Or Web Site That Sides With The Research From Steere And Company That Proves Chronic Illness Is Real. The IDSA Cheery Picked Their Info For The 21 Day Treatment And Overlooked Their Own Resear.ch
Yale Patented Lyme Test For Band 41 Over 94% Accurate------ Moth Balled!!!
Steere, Maternal-Fetal Transmission Of The Lyme Disease Spirochete, Borrelia
Steere And Company Report Presence Of Band 41, If You Don't Have Syphilis You Have Lyme. Page 5 Top Right
Per IDSA / Gary Wormser, Only 9 Out Of 59 Were Steere IGG Positive. This Means 85% Of All Cases Will Be Missed By Using The Current CDC Criteria.
Steere's Original Blood Testing Standard ( Performed Serial Western Blots To Look For New And Expanding IGM Antibodies ) According To Steere The Apperance Of New IGM Antibodies Meant The Borrelia Was Still Alive And Not Killed By Antibodies.
Yale demonstrates that they know how to diagnose any kind of Lyme or borreliosis by using 23S RNA primers. These primers have never been used to assess treatment (antibiotics) outcomes in humans."
Dattwyler An Luft Using The Correct DNA Primers-Ones Incoded On The Chromosone And Not On Any Varying DNA Plasmids( Heat Shock Proteins )
1992 Wormser Reports Where He Uses The Correct RNA Primers To Assess Erythema Migrans. The Correct Primers Are Never Used Again To Assess The Outcome In Human Treatment.
1999 Wormser Using The Correct Primers To Look For All Sorts Of Borrelia' Primers Not Used To Assess Any Human Treatment Out Come.
Durland Fish, 2001-Using The Correct Primers When Ever He Wants To Find Spirochetes In Ticks. These Primers Have never Been Used To Assess Human Treatment Outcomes
1992, Yves Lobet, Of SmithKline, Belgium, Using The Correct ( Non Varying DNA ) Primers To Assess For Spirochetes In Ticks. Never Used In Human Treatment Or Vaccine Out Come.
This Is Not Treatment Failure, NIH Paper, Harvard Medical School, Two Cases Of Congenital Babesiosis.
As far Back As 1986 Barbour Knew How To Test Properly For Bb By Using Borreliosis Specific Anti-flagellar Antibodies To Diagnose Lyme.
Same As above But In Pub Med, Barbour States Band 41 Specific For Monoclonal Antibodies.
US Patent # 5,523,089 Barbour Patent For OspA Which He Acknowledges Band 41 AS SPECIFIC Using H9724 That was Uesd In The Bowen Test.
The above are all links on his webpage.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Spirochetes have been distinguished from other gramnegative-staining bacteria only at the relatively low taxonomic level of order (Spirochaetales; 21). However, when the criteria of rRNA homology and oligonucleotide cataloging are applied in the discrimination, it appears that spirochetes occupy their own phylum among the eubacteria (14,23). One morphologic feature that unequivocally distinguishes spirochetes from all other bacteria is the possession by spirochetes of flagella that are entirely periplasmic in location (reviewed in reference 18).(Periplasmic flagella have also been known as axial filaments or fibrils [18].)
In the present study, we showed that several species of the pathogenic genus Borrelia share an antigen that either is closely associated with or is a constituent of their periplasmic flagella.
Representatives of the spirochetal genera Treponema, Spirochaeta, and Leptospira did not have a similarly cross-reactive antigen.
Monoclonal antibody H9724, which is directed against that flagellar antigen, {{{can be said,}}} therefore, to be genus specific.
My words now are barbour knows that the antibody H9724 is very very specific to Borrelia b .
Then he said this in pdf.
The immune electron microscopy studies of whole cells showed that monoclonal antibody H9724 bound only to released flagella.
Then further down discussion thois is said.
The epitope for H9724 was associated with the most abundant proteins in borrelial fractions enriched for flagella.
In Western blots H9724 bound to proteins with apparent molecular weights of 39,000 and 41,000 for B. hermsii and B.burgdorferi, respectively.
Me 41KDA and 39kda are the best markers!!!
These apparent molecular weights were close to the estimated weights of the major flagellar proteins of not only other spirochetes but also gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria
Close isnt a weeo!!! (10-12). In keeping with convention,we propose then that the 39K and 41K proteins in the flagellar preparation from B. hermsii and B. burgdorferi be called flagellins.
So he saying 39 and 41 are flagella
Now check this out!
It also appears to be the case for Borrelia infections: a patient with Lyme arthritis had serum antibodies that bound to the 39K major protein of B. hermsii (5).
The finding that only borreliae have the epitope for antibody H9724 further signifies the appropriateness of the taxonomic separation between this group of organisms and other spirochetes.
So if you have band 39kda and band 41 kda you have Lyme Disease!!!
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Now another excerpt from barbour on another paper.
Barbour AG, Hayes SF, Heiland RA, Schrumpf ME, Tessier SL.
In immunofluorescence assays monoclonal antibody H9724 recognized eight species of the spirochetal genus Borrelia but not representatives of the genera Treponema, Leptospira, and Spirochaeta.
We examined the reactivity of H9724 against subcellular components of Borrelia hermsii, an agent of relapsing fever, and B. burgdorferi, the cause of Lyme disease. H9724 bound to isolated periplasmic flagella of the two borreliae.
In Western blots the antibody reacted with the predominant protein in flagellar preparations from B. hermsii and B. burgdorferi; the apparent molecular weights of these flagellins were 39,000 and 41,000, respectively. PMID: 3516878 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
YoooooooHoooooooo 41kda and 39 again in a completely different paper!!!
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
From his patent A Barbour admitting 41kda 39kda. Patent
It has been shown that the earliest {{{IgM}}} antibodies formed against antigens of the B. burgdorferi strain B31, which was deposited in the American Type Culture Collection in 1983 with the accession number ATCC 35210, are directed against a genus-specific flagellar polypeptide termed flagellin having a molecular weight of 41 kd (10) and which reacts with monoclonal antibody H9724 (22).
{{{IgG}}} antibodies are also first directed to the 41 kd flagellin, but with advancing disease IgG antibodies form against other immunogens, especially against two abundant proteins with molecular weights of 31 kd and 34 kd.
Posted by daystar1952 (Member # 3255) on :
Hello....concerning the Von Plum microbe and the other strains of mycoplasma spoken of in that medical article.....I tried making sense of it by looking up the different strains they mentioned, such as capri...something and another strain.
From what they are saying these mycoplasmas are bovine mycoplasmas and supposedly are not zoonotic. So, I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that they are human biowarfare agents. They may be but more research needs to be done.
When I went to a meeting Plum Island held for the public I spoke with the Director at the time...Dr.lee Ann Thomas. I've told this story before but it does coincide with this post . I asked her if Plum Island ever worked with mycoplasmas. She said a definite no but then when she saw a highlighted jouranl I was referring to the end of her no turned into a welllllll....we did study .....and she named 3 different strains.
Of course I should have written them down but I didn't. Then I asked her what about when Jawad A, the Iraqi researcher was there at Plum doing his graduate work with mycoplasmas. Then she looked off into the distance as if trying to remember something long ago and far away. She said...yessss......when he was here we worked with...and named 3 or more strains. I asked if they ever worked with mycoplasma fermentens and she knew right away what that was and said a firm no.
I then said to her well....Jawad took all his mycoplasma research back to Iraq and headed up the mycoplasma research at the U of Bagdad. Then a bit later the Gulf war Vets are found to be ill and harbor this mycoplasma but the govt refused to treat them with the needed doxy and said it was all in their heads.
A couple years later Jawad was hit and killed by a car while changing a tire. Dr. Thomas just nodded her head, looked kind of ashamed and didn't refute anything. I thanked her and walked away. Now, it would seem that the only reason she would be reluctant to tell me they worked with mycoplasmas could be because some of them are zoonotic
The first time I saw GWI symptoms listed on TV.....I immediately knew I had what they had. I said outloud....that's what I have...I have Gulf war Illnes. This was before I was diagnosed with lyme.
From what we can tell, 60 % of lyme patients are coinfected with different mycoplasmas...the most prevalent one being mycoplasma fermentens. Doxy is the drug of choice for both supposedly independant diseases , Both diseases have the same symptoms ....unless the Vets had also been exposed to chemicals......and both sets of patients are being denied antibiotics. I think there is more of a connection with all this than we know. In it's cyst stage, lyme looks like a mycoplasma. Are we perhaps not seeing or finding the spirochetal form of a mycoplasma in the Gulf War Veterans? Am I making any sense? Harold Clark,who is now deceased, was a mycoplasma expert.
I had asked him if the two supposedly different microbes could be the same thing. He said yes it is possible. I asked Garth Nicolson the same question and he said no, they are different genetically and structurally. I'm not sure who to believe. Anyone have any thoughts? Also, what is a spiroplasma?
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
Thanks for your post...it's somewhat over my biohead, but I think what you are saying is that the strains the Iraqi scientest worked with could produce illness in humans. And haven't five or six biowarriors met mysterious and untimely deaths? For what it's worth, IMO the 1970's cover-up is rooted in the need to continue research in the age of DNA recombinant engineering. If they acknowledged a get away in the 70's, given the anti military climate of the time, that kind of research would have been shelved.
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
My Mom is a professor at UC Irvine where Barbour is one, too, and a colleague of hers was treated by him for a long time with orals- for Lyme!!! He is a hypocrite at the least, a corporate criminal...
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
up for others. great job Randy!!!!
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
I've sometimes wondered if mycoplasma is the culprit, too. Then "those in the know" could justify saying it's not chronic lyme, since its chronic mycoplasma. They could be true to the letter if not the spirit so to speak--saying the specific truth while giving the impression it is not a chronic infection at all when it is.
However, the gulf war vets needed just plain old doxy for six months to eighteen months at most and they were better. Chronic lyme is more complex.
Marjorie, did you read The Extremely Unfortunate Incident at Skull Valley? Half of it is paranoid and nonsensical and half very good research uncovering stuff about mycoplasma.
As for what is and is not zoonotic--how would they even know? Microbes adjust to their environment. What was not zoonotic could become zoonotic.
Posted by Aligondo Bruce (Member # 6219) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme: My Mom is a professor at UC Irvine where Barbour is one, too, and a colleague of hers was treated by him for a long time with orals- for Lyme!!! He is a hypocrite at the least, a corporate criminal...
Barbour is not just a professor in Irvine. Since the unsolved anthrax attacks and subsequent massive infusion of bioweapons research, he has been appointed to be head of the West Coast Bioweapons research consortium. His position in LA mirrors that of Klempner in Boston.
My guess is that these crooks are somehow trying to pass off the 1975 coverup which occurred under cheney, rumsfeld, etc. as a bioweapons attack by Iraq in early 1990's. That way, they are not responsible for the horrific damage cause by their insane greedy pursuit of a vaccine.
Barbour rarely if ever treats patients.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I can hardly wait until Avian Flu gets going... (I'm being sarcastic here, folks...)
There's no reason for any gov't agency to take the blame. It's good to know this stuff but I doubt we are going to get anywhere with it. I am sure Lyme is a bio-weapon.
Lab 257 by M. Carroll is very good to read if you're interested in this issue.
Representative John Hall (D-NY 19th) 1st-term Democrat from New York.
Letters To Leaders
All messages are published with permission of the sender. The general topic of this message is Medicine:
Subject: Lyme Disease: We Need a Cure and Truth
To: Rep. John Hall
July 30, 2007
Dear Congressman Hall: Please co-sponsor the current proposed Lyme Disease legislation providing funding for treatment. Here are facts you may not know:
World War 2 The Borrelia genus is reported by British writer Elena Cook to have been used by World War 2 Japanese germ warfare scientists in the infamous Unit 731, which conducted live experiments on prisoners in Manchuria.[1] Borreliosis had been feared during the Second World War as a cause of the frequently fatal disease Relapsing Fever. Borrelia were known for their ability to adopt different forms under conditions of stress (such as exposure to antibiotics). By shedding their outer wall (which is targeted by penicillin) they could evade attack and continue to exist as a reservoir of infection in the body.[3]
According to former Justice official John Loftus, Nazi biowarfare scientists, including Erich Traub, were hired under the top secret U.S. government Operation Paperclip,[4] and they experimented with ticks and a variety of other common bioweapons on Plum Island, which lies a few miles directly opposite Old Lyme, Connecticut, and is currently under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security.
Plum Island, the U.S. Military and the Department of Homeland Security Plum Island lab directors have stated to Michael Carroll, author of the book "Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Germ Laboratory", that they kept colonies of the hard tick Amblyomma americanum, a known carrier of Borrelia Lonestari, on Plum Island. Carroll describes eyewitnesses as saying that infected animals on Plum Island were kept in open pens.[5]
Carroll also asserts that there was heavy two-way traffic between the U.S. Army's biological weapons research lab at Fort Detrick, and researchers on Plum Island, also known as Fort Terry. One document uncovered a 1969 shipment, by military escort, of "Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis and antisera" to a Dr. J.J. Callis, from the Viral and Rickettsial Division, Army Biological Laboratory, Fort Detrick. [5]
Michael Carroll quotes former Plum Island lab director Jerry Callis talking about tick research on Plum Island: "Plum Island experimented with ticks, but never outside of containment. We had a tick colony where you take them and feed them on the virus and breed ticks to see how many generations it would last, on and on, until its diluted. Recently they reinstated the tick colony." Carroll additionally cites a 1978 US Department of Agriculture (UDSA) document titled "African Swine Fever," which further confirms the use of ticks as biowar vectors on Plum Island, noting that the report stated: "In 1975 and 1976 the adult and nyphal stages of Ablyomma americanum (the Lone Star tick) and Ablyomma cajunense (the Cayenne tick) were found to be incapable of harboring and transmitting African Swine fever virus."[5]
Coincidentally, the Lyme disease outbreak was identified about the time of the Swine Fever tick study conducted on Plum Island. Also at the time of the Plum Island Swine Fever experiments, the Lone Star tick's range was limited to Texas. Today it is endemic in New Jersey, New York State and Connecticut, and as Carroll states in Lab 257, no one can answer how the Lone Star tick migrated from Texas to New York and Connecticut.[5] The long-suspected connection between biowarfare and Plum Island was confirmed in Cold War records declassified in 1993. According to the documents, when eliciting a biowarfare test in the early 1950s, the Joint Chiefs of Staff stated: "Steps should be taken to make certain adequate facilities are available, including those at Fort Detrick, Dugway Proving Ground [Utah], Fort Terry (Plum Island) and an island testing area." [6] About the time that the Lyme epidemic was identified in the 1970s, Dr. Jay Sanford, a former Walter Reed Army Institute of Research doctor, published a 1976 paper titled "The Biology of Parasitic Spirochetes." In it, Dr. Sanford stated: "the ability of borrelia, especially tick- borne strains, to persist in the brain and in the eye during remission after treatment with arsenic or with penicillin or even after apparent cure, is well known." [2] Although the notion of persistent neurological infection was identified early on by military researchers such as Dr. Sanford, later Lyme researchers curiously denied the possibility of persistent borrelia infection in the brain, with mny researchers ignoring repeated evidence of persistent infection.
In the 1980s, entomologist Dr. Richard Endris, is reported to have nurtured over 200,000 soft and hard ticks of varying species in tick nurseries on Plum Island, personally collected from locations as far away as Cameroon, Africa.[5] . In a footnote in the book "Lab 257", Carroll notes that Endris, while under contract with the US Army lab at Fort Detrick had also conducted experiments in 1987 on Plum Island, using sand flies as vectors of the fatal illness Leishmaniasis.[5] The work is alleged by Carroll to have been done in secrecy, with few safety precautions.
In fact, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration cited the facility in 1988 for "139 violations, covering everything from exposed electrical cables to open incinerator pits and untested fire alarms" [7] Also, in 1993, OSHA cited the center at Plum Island for 25 serious violations, including improper disposal of needles. In 1995, according to the New York Post, the facility was fined $111,000 for the illegal storage of hazardous materials [8] And a 2003 report by the General Accounting Office of the U.S. Congress criticized the facility for many security and safety flaws. [9]
In 1999 and again in 2002, the US Department of Agriculture reportedly tried to upgrade Plum Island from a biosafety BSL-3 level lab to a biosafety BSL-4 level four lab. BSL-4 labs work with most dangerous organisms. Each time, the USDA was thwarted by local opposition.
Current Biowarfare Research In 2001, the New York Times revealed the existence of the Defense Department's "Project Jefferson," at Plum Island, an effort to develop a vaccine-resistant form of anthrax. The Pentagon responded to the story by asserting that the project would be completed and the results classified. [13] In 2005, the Associated Press reported that the National Institute of Health (NIH) had listed Lyme disease as one of the potential bioterrorism agents studied in BSL-4, or top security labs.
Coincidentally, many scientists setting Lyme treatment and diagnostic testing policy in the United States have a long history in the bioweapons field, and many have recently received lucrative bioweapons grants, which some in the International Lyme and Associated Disease Society (ILADS) community view as a conflict of interest for the development of effective treatments and accurate diagnostic testing for the tens of thousands of individuals in the United States now suffering from chronic infection, or late stage Lyme disease. For example, in 2003, Lyme researcher Dr. Mark Klempner was reportedly appointed head of the new $1.6 billion biowarfare top-security facility at Boston University.[14] In 2004, Lyme researcher Dr. Jorge Benach,[15] was reportedly chosen as a recipient for a $3 million biowarfare research grant, and in 2005, Lyme researcher Dr. Alan Barbour was reportedly placed in charge of a $40 million dollar new biowarfare complex based at UC Irvine. [16] Former NIH Lyme disease program officer, Edward McSweegan has published numerous articles and letters to editorial pages relating to biowarfare topics ranging from anthrax to plague. Curiously, Mr. McSweegan's novel, Deliberate Release, is biowarfare thriller that describes the deliberate release of a germ weapon. [17]
Posted by lymebytes (Member # 11830) on :
Haven't read all posts but a couple of books worth reading (in case they were not mentioned)regarding Plumb Island suggesting the above mentioned and West Nile virus all originated there:
Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory (available at Amazon)
Poison Plum: http://www.poisonplum.com/index.html (link suggests that our government intentionally unleashed LD on Americans as a to test of our virulence)
I am just waiting for a lawyer to get LD and understand the possible conspiracy behind it, including but not limited to a test provide by the CDC that is not diagnostic. LD patients I think would be able file a class action suit against this county for pain and suffering and millions of dollars that we have spent finding help and treatment, that doesn't guarantee "getting our lives back".
Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
One of Steere' first co-authors, a virlogist from Yale, and with significant ties to the military, set up the first BSL 4 labs at UTexas Gavelston. That university is gettng a much larger BSL 4 Biowar lab. And Steere's entomologist was heavily connected to the military, and acknowledged that on his webs site. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Posted by Aligondo Bruce (Member # 6219) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymebytes: Haven't read all posts but a couple of books worth reading (in case they were not mentioned)regarding Plumb Island suggesting the above mentioned and West Nile virus all originated there:
Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory (available at Amazon)
Poison Plum: http://www.poisonplum.com/index.html (link suggests that our government intentionally unleashed LD on Americans as a to test of our virulence)
I am just waiting for a lawyer to get LD and understand the possible conspiracy behind it, including but not limited to a test provide by the CDC that is not diagnostic. LD patients I think would be able file a class action suit against this county for pain and suffering and millions of dollars that we have spent finding help and treatment, that doesn't guarantee "getting our lives back".
First you're going to have to overcome something called 'sovereign immunity'. There are exceptions to this, and the US government can be sued, but it is not that easy.
The second thing is 'state secret privilege'. Assuming there is a government cabal at work controlling lyme issues, then it is certain that this program is highly classified, and likely is not known even to congressional committees. Russ tice, the NSa/DIA whistleblower, alluded to something, possibly a bioweapons coverup program, with his comments when he stated that rumsfeld, the NSA director, and an air force general in charge of satellites were involved in activity that was "illegal and unconstitutional". But he added that 'this is not something you'd want to see in the times. You wouldn't want the american people to find out about it, unless it is 200 years from now when it is declassified'. He had been told by the NSA that there were no congressmembers who possessed adequate clearance to be briefed on this program, whatever it was.
Anytime someone talks about suing the government, I am reminded of something that happened during clinton's term. And that is some workers at area 51 in nevada came down with a bizarre disorder they felt was related to chemical exposures they had while burning toxic waste illegally at the area 51 dump site. None of the workers knew what they had been exposed to; they filed suit and Clinton himself forbade the government from releasing this information to the workers on grounds of national security.
The truth is IMO that the government through the NSA and DOD is closely controlling this issue. Things have gotten much worse during bush years due to numerous programs he has initiated and allowed through legal evasions and illegitimate legal opinions such as those of gonzales and addington.
If you want this pattern to change, then you need to vote for either ron paul or any of the democrats, other than hillary. Hillary is tied into the establishment and I suspect would continue things as they occurred under her husband.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Up in memory of Greatcod.
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