There has been a few experiments using a primary frequency and the eleventh harmonic of the primary frequency to destroy organisms much faster and more effectively.
So far, it has been done on Blephorisma and Paramecium. It is much more effective, at least in these organisms. The effect is likely to work for any given effective Lyme frequency, as these harmonics occur naturally to a lesser extent in a Plasma tube.
If your machine is capable of running two frequencies at the same time, you may want to try this out.
To get the eleventh harmonic simply multiply the original effective frequency by eleven.
I may try this out in the future, but we are not using our Rife machine presently.
D Bergy
Posted by efsd25 (Member # 2272) on :
D Bergy, Do you have more information on this? Who has found this relationship, and is there a reference? I have read that harmonics are important, this is the 1st time (that I can remember)about a specific harmonic. Any additional info would be appreciated. Thanks, Ernie
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Interesting D Bergy. Thanks for the information. I'll look at doing something with this.
Pam
Posted by B R H (Member # 12159) on :
Just my opinion as an electrical/computer engineer, but I seriously doubt any "Rife machine" is capable of "conducting" enough electromagnetic energy of sufficient power to your entire body to kill pathogens without doing serious damage to your own cells at the same time. If so, I guarantee the FCC would be all over the manufacturers!
Also, killing pathogens in your body is quite different from killing them in a petri dish.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
There has been people using these since the thirties and no one has reported any type of cellular damage that I have ever heard of.
Rife used Koch's postulates in culturing Cancer from human breast tissue, injecting it in mice. When the resulting cancerous tumor was treated with his device the cancer would die after so many treatments. He literally did this over a thousand times with various bacteria and viruses. He was a thorough scientist and bacteriologist. Other scientists also witnessed this at the time. This was not done in a closet.
If it worked under his microscope, it worked in his animal subjects. I understand enough about attenuation to know that it should not work, but you can't argue with the end result.
Spirochetes are physically, very fragile. I believe this is why this form is the only form of Lyme the frequency devices can reliably affect.
I only have practical experience with Rife devices. I have duplicated the results of others, one of them an electrical engineer. There are many intelligent people experimenting with these every day. Many are engineers.
It would be a lie to say the same results are being experienced today. Cancer treatments are not reliable using this method. One person will eliminate Cancer the next will not. Unfortunatly most of Rife's equipment was destroyed along with most of his documents. They have only recently developed a light microscope with the capability to go beyond the Abbe limit. Something Rife was doing in the thirties.
The researchers today are only beginning to piece this back together. Quite a bit of progress in the last year alone. I encourage you to look into it deeper. It is fascinating to a science oriented person.
Just one example of the same principle, using a laser. This should not work either, but there is those pesky results. I am sure they are unaware of Rife's work in this respect.
I do not know if this will work for Lyme as well as it has for the experimental subjects. But, I can't think of a good reason why it would not either. Like everything else with this method, much is yet to be learned.
If anyone decides to try this, I certainly would be interested in your results.
Just remember it is experimental. If you do not feel comfortable with it, don't do it.
D Bergy
Posted by B R H (Member # 12159) on :
Thanks for not taking my comments as a harsh criticism. I have no problem believing electromagnetic energy can kill some pathogens in some areas of the body. I just don't believe chronic or post-treatment "Lyme Disease" is cause soley by an easily identifiable pathogen like the borrelia spirochete, for example. So I doubt these therapies will help most people.
PS. I was born & raised in northern MN! Lots of ticks up there but none of those ever gave me the troubles the ones in CA did!
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
They rarely cure Lyme disease. And in those cases, there likely were no co-infections involved.
It helps some get back to a more normal life, as it did with my wife. Some people do not get any benefit. Some in between.
I agree, that there is more involved, quite often than just killing borrelia. And this method only kills one form. The exception may be the Coil machine, as this is the only machine that has ever had a cure reported.
I consider it a potentially useful treatment, depending on the individual.
I had never seen a Deer Tick in Northern MN until about ten years ago. And I have spent a lot of time in the woods. Last summer, I had three on me in ten minutes, walking on a few acres we bought. It is getting real bad here. Four relatives with Lyme, from the area. Not good.
D Bergy
Posted by B R H (Member # 12159) on :
Here's a tick "scorecard" after a hike on a trip we made back home to northeastern MN in 2004:
Host Ticks Dad 56 Dog 43 Me 14 Mom 11 Wife 8
My dad & the dog cleared the way for the rest of us!
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I hope these were just Dog Ticks. I would hate to have that many Deer Ticks on me.
We had twenty or thirty of these Dog Ticks every time we hunt or walk in the woods in the summer. They do not bother me. At least they are easy to see. Those Deer Ticks could be on you for hours or days before you would notice them.
I do not know how the animals can even survive since many are loaded with them.
D Bergy
Posted by efsd25 (Member # 2272) on :
D Bergy, Thanks for the link to the video's! Great re-creation of the rife experiment. I have not been doing anything with the 11th harmonic, but will start incorporating that in my experiments.
BRH, I think most everyone would acknowledge your concerns, I originally had the same myself. I have worked many years running geophysical EM surveys with no ill effects. So I was originally perplexed why rife was working.
There is defintely something to this rife technique. It is hard to argue with the videos. Also I have seen a repeatable physiological effects from rifing. For example approx 18 hrs after a rife session, urine pH levels spike then returns to a normal level. There are other documented effects like ion gates in the cell membrane being effected by EM fields causing loss of cations from the cell.
Thanks, Ernie
Posted by B R H (Member # 12159) on :
I've never been bitten by a deer tick as far as I know. I've had hundreds of dog ticks but only the ones in CA caused immediate swelling & lingering rashes.
Ironically, when I was walking into LabCorp for a blood draw a few years ago, a deer tick dropped onto my neck! I'm not kidding. I put it on the desk & the attendant grabbed it, smashed it, & threw it out before I could even explain that it might be a good idea to test the little bashturds innards! That was the only time I've ever actually seen a real deer tick.
Don't believe for a second that only deer ticks carry these diseases!
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Well, BRH, I'll tell you from my experience that there are ticks in Kentucky that carry lyme & company & causes rashes or not cause rashes.
I've personally had lone star nymphs embedded for only a few hours, 2 of them in May 05 and I would bet the house I got a big doze of bartonella from them.
I know that in July 99 that I was attacked by what I thought were 12 chiggers. Three years later my LLMD asked me to describe the bites & what the center of the bites looked like.
He stated "I'd say they were nymph ticks, might of been chiggers, but odds are it was 12 nymph ticks".
It doesn't matter what it was chigger or ticks, 3 weeks later, the illness from hell turned up life upside down.
I found 2 deer ticks embedded on my face June 07. Been there one-two days? One deer tick on my nose embedded for 14 days Dec 07 before I realized that "spider" bite I was treating was actually a fricking deer tick.
None of these three tick bites have developed a bulls eye and they won't. But I'd say the odds that they were clean of any and all lyme & company is pretty slim.
Ticks are nasty and no telling what they are carrying.
Pam
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I am sure there are various ways to get Lyme. Whole families have it with no recollection of tick bites of any kind.
If Dog Ticks carry the disease, it must be quite rare. I have had hundreds of these stuck to me over the years, yet I have avoided Lyme disease. It could be that my immune system kills it off also. I still try to keep any tick from attaching as even without Lyme, there are likely several other bacterial surprises awaiting.
If the normal ticks are carrying it over there, it may be just a matter of time before it gets over here. Possibly the severe climate here keeps it in check.
My wife has been bit by one Deer Tick in her life and contracted the disease.
If mosquitoes are capable of carrying the bacteria, we are all doomed in Northern MN.
D Bergy
Posted by B R H (Member # 12159) on :
Try thinking in terms of successive infection realizing that exposure to a pathogen rarely means you get the disease. However, exposure does likely add to your particular "DNA soup" of pathogens. Borrelia in particular can add a lot to this soup due to it's many plasmids (which can be shared with other pathogens, creating even more "mutants").
Also, our immune systems are not static entities (they are always evolving) & can be in various states of "health" at any point in time, so it makes sense that the vast majority of tick bites result in no obvious illness.
Other "critters" (surely even the MN state bird) can definitely carry pathogens that add to our soup, regardless of whether or not each individual "species" is recognized as the cause of any particular disease.
One more point is that in-vivo (body) behavior is MUCH different than in-vitro (lab dish). This includes differences between animals & humans as well. The complexity is astounding. The exact science used in molecular biology is unravelling the complexity MUCH faster than clinical medicine ever will.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
You could have deer tickbites and never know it. I only knew the tick bit me on the back of my knee because I did get a bullseye. Otherwise, its a dot, its painless, how would you ever know? Thats what probably happens with many people who don't get a rash.
Meanwhile, I hate to say it, but if you are already infected you are more likely to get bit again, I believe. Its just the pathogens' way of ensuring they get around. They will make you more appealing to the tick, so that they can spread to the next host. Once you're infected you really have to be even more careful.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
We would never has seen the Deer Tick if it would not have swelled the area around it so much. They are insidious little creatures.
D Bergy
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
I herxed from sound rife nonrife rife machine via computer software. I got bart from a 2 second tick bite. I almost died from the acute phase. If I didnt get medical tx, I would have.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
It is interesting that you are getting a reaction from that method James. I would never have thought it could have worked.
Is it improving your condition? It is probably too early to tell yet, but are you still getting effects from it?