I know there are some issues with it regarding growing it in a pollution free environment & whether it's cracked or not.
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
I take a brand called E-Lyte. My Dr. is very fussy about the supplements he gets and he is very mercury focused.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- when you click on the products, near the bottom of the page you can link to more information and the ingredients.
It also contains spirulina, lots of plants, probiotics, enzymes, etc. Most of the ingredients are organic and it is gluten-free.
No jittery feeling at all.
Amazon seems to have a good price.
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Interesting, Cave76. It's probably a worldwide situation now - in food, water, everything... I had some tests done & I don't have an overly high mercury level (despite of having some fillings). Any mercury is bad but it's not a huge issue for me.
BTW - my cat goes crazy for the chlorella tablets. It like kitty crack, only I suppose it's healthy for him.
Green Vibrance is good stuff. I've used it on occasion.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I also use E-Lyte. It is grown in glass, so isn't exposed to mercury and impurities from the environment.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
biopure and prime chlorella are both clean sources.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
They say that Sun brand chlorella uses a special method of grinding the cell walls to make it easier to absorb. I think it's less expensive than the E-lyte...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Cave, I've been using Yaeyama Chlorella and states "Yaeyama Chlorella is grown in the environmentally pristine coral reef region of Japan's Ishigaki Island using mountain spring water, tropical sunshine and food grade nutrients. Yaeyama Chlorella cell walls are broken by a high impact jet-spray drying that pulverizes the algae wall for increased absorption of its vital nutrients". If this helps in your research. It's from "Jarrow Formulas".
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Thanks Cave, that is outstanding research.
It puts a great deal in perspective about the health of the planet, not just our own health.
One of the healthiest foods on the planet and it is susceptible to these kinds of polutants.
I'll keep watching this thread and see what everone thinks is best.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
If I had the cash, I'd go with the more expensive chlorella.
Which is better - taking the less expensive one or skipping it altogether?
If the sea turtles are effected in a so called pristine region, hate to think what I'm contaminated with here in NJ about 17 miles west of NYC!
I guess I should go to the sauna again, soon...
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Sparkle, you asked: "Which is better - taking the less expensive one or skipping it altogether?" (end quote)
Personally, I can't afford to compromise on the quality of a product. I'd skip it - or save until you can stretch out a good quality one.
And, when I have decisions like these - I think like I were living out in the woods. No web. No UPS. No phones. No car.
What would I eat ?
But, now, you might check out Herb Pharm's cilantro. I think it is grown in S. Oregon. It's green. It's good. You can talk to the people who live on the farm about how it's grown. Just Google: "Herb Pharm" if you like.
I don't know where the chorella is grown from NOW products. They are usually pretty good and not too expensive.
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The condition of our air - air for the whole planet - certainly is one to consider.
I'd like to grow some kitchen herbs and chard on my deck, but all the leaf blowers' exhaust keeps me from doing that.
Bamboo - now if everyone would just plant bamboo, we could have clear air in no time. We'd have building material and never have to touch a tree again. Hemp, too. It's nutritious and can make great fibers.
See this is where I would trust Gigi's advice on what is the best. I've tried the most expensive one in Whole Foods. I can't remember the specifics on it right now.
lymie-in-md, I am currently taking the chlorella you mentioned in your post. It is somewhat cheaper. But in my opinion, based on results, it's not the best.
I started with Yaeyama brand, found the other brand and did 600 of them and did see a difference. Then I got cheap again and went back and bought the Yaeyama brand. So cheaper is not always better.
I know everything is so costly with some of this stuff. When I do chlorella, it's because I'm feeling toxic, I'm in the middle of some removal of old dental/metals, or I am feeling die off from some bacteria, virus or whatever I'm trying to knock off.
I will do a search on here. I know I posted info on the more expensive brand when I was taking it and add it to this post. I remember I wrote down Gigi recommendations on the type chlorella that was better. That's the bulgaris or pyrenoidosa type.
Pam
Based on what I've found in my city, I've found the Sun Chlorella brand best. They have a website. I purchased mine at Whole Foods 300 ct(?), 200 mg $45. Gigi recommends the pyrenoidosa or bulgaris type. This is the only brand that says pyrenoidosa type. Gigi search on chlorella will give you more info.
[ 03. March 2008, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: map1131 ]
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Hi sparkle:
I don't know if this is the best brand but if you are looking for chlorella grown in a pollution free environment this may be one you want to look into:
******* SPL's exclusive Synergized� Pure Chlorella is likewise the purest and most unique chlorella available. Grown in hermetically sealed stainless-steel tanks in a pharmaceutical clean room environment, our Pure Chlorella is never exposed to the open environment, which completely eliminates the need for the common practice of using pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and other chemicals.
Nearly all other chlorella products, which are typically grown in outdoor ponds, are treated with these harmful chemicals. At SPL, we control every growing condition to optimize our chlorella's nutrition, purity and consistency.
Synergized� Pure Chlorella was developed for its unique soft cell wall, offering maximum absorption of all its beneficial nutrients. With its soft cell wall, our chlorella does not need to undergo harsh or aggressive cell wall fracturing processes, which can degrade and harm the highly valuable and sensitive phytonutrients.
Synergized� Pure Chlorella is very mild tasting and dispersible in liquids and is clearly the world's premier chlorella product. *****
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The only problem with a hermetically sealed room for growth is the potency of the product. I just compare it with salmon grown wild or farmed. I admit it isn't a fair comparison. I guess a closer comparison would be hydropaunics. Any info based on the question?
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Well, sometimes we aren't left with many choices? We've got to take the best that we can get our hands on.
I don't know if my chlorella is PURE as the driven snow? That's what they use to say? But I'm sure our driven snow is no longer pure either.
If this was a perfect chemical free, toxic free, bacteria free world Cave, we wouldn't be here on lymenet? Now would we?
I know it fired you up because I mentioned Gigi and wanting her expertise. That's the truth?
Pam
Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
map here is the truth you wouldn't get it from the others.
gigi info
Chlorella* Both C. Pyreneidosa (better absorption of toxins, but harder to digest) and C. Vulgaris (higher CGF content -- see below, easier to digest, less metal absorbing capability) are available. Chlorella has multiple health inducing effects:
Antiviral (especially effective against the cytomegaly virus from the herpes family)
Toxin Binding (mucopolysaccharide membrane) all known toxic metals, environmental toxins such as dioxin and others
Repairs and activates the body's detoxification functions
Dramatically increases reduced glutathion
Sporopollein is as effective as cholestyramin in binding neurotoxins and more effective in binding toxic metals than any other natural substance found.
Various peptides restore coeruloplasmin and metallothioneine.
Lipids (12.4%) alpha-and gamma-linoleic acid help to balance the increased intake of fish oil during our detox program and are necessary for a multitude of functions, including formation of the peroxisomes. *[Don't miss this non-manmade health supplement. ALA is very important. Do a web search on ALA & alpha linoleic acid & chelation. ALA will help carry the mercury that has been chelated from the body.]
Methyl-coblolamine is food for the nervous system, restores damaged neurons and has its own detoxifying effect.
Chlorella growth factor helps the body detoxify itself in a yet not understood profound way. It appears that over millions of years chlorella has developed specific detoxifying proteins and peptides for every existing toxic metal.
The porphyrins in chlorophyll have their own strong metal binding effect. Chlorophyll also activates the PPAR-receptor on the nucleus of the cell which is responsible for the transcription of DNA and coding the formation of the peroxisomes (see fish oil), opening of the cell wall (unknown mechanism) which is necessary for all detox procedures, normalizes insulin resistance and much more. Medical drugs that activate the PPAR receptor (such as pioglitazone) have been effective in the treatment of breast and prostate cancer.
Super nutrient: 50-60% amino acid content, ideal nutrient for vegetarians, methylcobolamin -- the most easily absorbed and utilized form of B12, B6, minerals, chlorophyll, beta carotene etc.
Immune system strengthening
Restores bowel flora
Digestive Aid (bulking agent)
Alkalinizing agent (Important for patient's with malignancies)
Dosage: start with 1 gram ( = 4 tab.) 3-4 times/day. This is the standard maintenance dosage for grown ups for the 6-24 months of active detox. During the more active phase of the detox (every 2-4 weeks for 1 week), whenever cilantro is given, the dose can be increased to 3 grams 3-4 times per day (1 week on, 2-4 weeks back down to the maintenance dosage). Take 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime. This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract.
When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given). No cilantro should be given around the time of dental work. During this time we do not want to mobilize deeply stored metals in addition to the expected new exposure.
If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible (best after meals).
Side effects: most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals, which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, not by reducing it, which would worsen the problem (small chlorella doses mobilize more metals than are bound in the gut, large chlorella doses bind more toxins than are mobilized). Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. The enzyme cellulase resolves this problem.
Cellulase is available in many health food stores in digestive enzyme products. Taking chlorella together with food also helps in some cases, even though it is less effective that way. C. Vulgaris has a thinner cell wall and is better tolerated by people with digestive problems. Some manufactures have created cell wall free chlorella extracts (NDF, PCA), which are very expensive, less effective -- but easily absorbed.
Chlorella Growth Factor This is a heat extract from chlorella that concentrates certain peptides, proteins and other ingredients. The research on CGF shows that children develop no tooth decay and their dentition (maxillary-facial development) is near perfect. There are less illnesses and children grow earlier to a larger size with higher I.Q and are socially more skilled. There are case reports of patients with dramatic tumor remissions after taking CGF in higher amounts. In our experience, CGF makes the detox experience for the patient much easier, shorter and more effective.
Recommended dosage: 1 cap. CGF for each 20 tab. chlorella
Read Dr. K.'s Neurotoxin Removal Protocol on his website, www.neuraltherapy.com (articles).
more gigi stuff D O S A G E : Start with 1 gram (=4 tabl) 3-4 times/day. This is the standard maintenance dosage for grownups for the 6-24 months of active detox. During the more active phase of the detox (every 2-4 weeks for 1 week), whenever cilantro is given, the dose can be increased to 3 grams 3-4 times per day (1 week on, 2-4 weeks back down to the maintenance dosage). Take 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime. This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract.
When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given).
NO cilantro should be given around the time of dental work. During this time we do not want to mobilize deeply stored metals in addition to the expected new exposure.
If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible (best after meals).
S I D E E F F E C T S : most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals, which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, not by reducing it, which would worsen the problem. (Small chlorella doses mobilize more metals than are bound in the gut, large chlorella doses bind more toxins than are mobilized).
Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. The enzyme cellulase resolves this problem. Cellulase is available in many health food stores in digestive enzyme products. Taking chlorella together with food also helps in some cases, even though it is less effective that way. Chlorella vulgaris has a thinner cell wall and is better tolerated by people with digestive problems.
CHLORELLA GROWTH FACTOR (Biopure CGF available as capsule)
This is a heat extract from chlorella that concentrates certain peptides, proteins and other ingredients. The research on CGF shows that children develop no tooth decay and their dentition (maxillary facial development) is near perfect. There are less illnesses and children grow earlier to a larger size with higher IQ and are socially more skilled. There are case reports of patients with dramatic tumor remissions after taking CGF in higher amounts. In our experience, CGF makes the detox experience for the patient much easier, shorter and more effective.
Recommended dosage: 1 cap. CGF for each 20 tabl. Chlorella
NDF and PCA
Both are extracets from Chlorella and Cilantro and very effective in detoxing. They are well tolerated, but very expensive.
Just to clarify a couple of things:
I never said you had to take chlorella under doctor's supervision.
You take it per instructions, 30 min before meals, to be most effective.
If it feels good, okay. If it doesn't you probably have not taken enough. And are mobilizing more toxins with it than the amount can cover to take it all the way out. So more is better, unless you just cannot tolerate it.
Read Dr. K.'s Neurotoxin Removal Protocol on his website, www.neuraltherapy.com (articles).
Please note that raw Cilantro does not work for heavy metal detox. It is the substance that is released out of the herb when it is heated that is effective for that purpose. You can certainly toss a handfull into hot soup and get the benefit. The best is buying a bottle of the tincture, so that you have it available - made whenever you have the need. It should be made only from organic cilantro - Dragon River is one, Biopure is another one. Transdermal application of tincture is also very beneficial. You may read some of my posts where to apply it.
No, you do not need a doctor to take Chlorella! Whoever posted that I said so. My grandchildren eat chlorella like candy and are very healthy and well well doing just that. Chlorella babies are healthy babies, develop beautiful teeth and dental arches. Mothers who breastfeed taking chlorella, detox their milk with it -- the milk actually takes on a green color and is no longer toxic. Often mother's milk is so toxic that it would require permission to dump it in a landfill! Tested before and after in lab.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's true... we can't believe the hype. If the company producing the chlorella is writing the hype about it, you can't really trust them.
This reminds me of the situation with colloidal silver... all these companies with various claims. You don't really know what is what unless you are a specialist or go & visit the plant where it's made.
I guess this makes the case for why the forces at large want to crack down on supplements. It is important to find good quality products.
It's a difficult issue...
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Thank you Roadrunner. I was going to go find the info when I had time and post it here. Thank you very much.
Cave, I wasn't wanting to start our arguing again. I really wasn't. I was only speaking the truth. Gigi posts and references set you off. Period. Truth.
But Cave, I don't trust the parmacuticals either. They can write whatever they want to write on their sites. I don't trust a pill/med as far as I can throw it.
I don't know whether something I'm taking for pain, to get rest/real sleep, depression etc is also "bad" for me. I have to survive Cave, just like you are trying to survive.
I don't know all the bad things that could be good things are. I can find something BAD on anything I want to go searching for. I can find a horror story anywhere in todays world.
Yes, it is nice to have someone to warn us if we are taking something that can detriamental to our health. But come on Cave? Do you have to be so anti everything?
Can you give some on this site a little credit for trying to do something, not just anything, but something to help ourselves? So your opinion is a rife machine is voodoo?
Does that make or help anyone out there that is suffering and looking for help. I don't say "cure". I say help, ease up our sx, lessen the load of rx's we must do.
Cave, you know maybe just maybe some good quality chlorella could be a benefit to some on this board? I find it useful for me. So why can't you just warn others about something and move on?
Why do you keep attacking the messagers? Why do I not have the right to post what I've discovered and experienced myself with quality chlorella?
You make it sound like all these companies are all bad, evil, deceptive, cheating, losers, gimmicks?
Cave, you know who I think are the bad, evil, deceptive, cheating, losers in this lyme & company world we live in? In fact they are NUMBER 1.
I don't want to see anyone get ripped off either. I don't want anyone to spend their dollars on anything that is a waste of their money. We all have lost careers, lost spouses, lost homes, lost loved ones, fighting the red tape, lost medical insurance. It's a constant battle on all fronts.
I get upset when I try something for three months or more and have received nothing, nothing in return for that Vitamin, supplement, treatment protocol, alternative visit, etc, etc.
Pam
Posted by psano2 (Member # 11711) on :
My Dr. recommended Biotics Research chlorella.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
The day I believe the FDA is watching out for my best interest will not come soon enough. So don't act like there's somebody watching over us (group) to make sure we don't get screwed by the FDA approved drugs.
If we wait for someone in the USA/FDA to help us, we might all be dead by then. That's the truth Cave and you know it.
Cave, I'm here to do exactly the same thing you are here to do. We just see it differently. That's okay.
But you cannot say that your way is the only way. You can't say your support is the only support many on this board need. You also can't say that my experiences and my story and my beliefs can't or won't help someone else cope.
My government is not in charge of my health. It's not their responsibility to take care of me. I take care of me. Until the truth is told about this lyme & company and we become "real" in this world of healthcare, we're nobody. Much the same way the HIV/Aids victims started out.
All you know is your story. I read you tried some alternative stuff and it failed you. Doesn't make the whole basket of apples bad, just because there was one bad apple in the basket.
There is hope for those that are failed by abx. I don't claim to know how, but I'm willing to open up my mind and heart to try.
Pam
Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
quote:Originally posted by RoadRunner: anytime pam
Cave, I wasn't wanting to start our arguing again. I really wasn't. I was only speaking the truth. Gigi posts and references set you off. Period. Truth.
so true
quote:Originally posted by map1131: The day I believe the FDA is watching out for my best interest will not come soon enough. So don't act like there's somebody watching over us (group) to make sure we don't get screwed by the FDA approved drugs.
If we wait for someone in the USA/FDA to help us, we might all be dead by then. That's the truth Cave and you know it.
Cave, I'm here to do exactly the same thing you are here to do. We just see it differently. That's okay.
But you cannot say that your way is the only way. You can't say your support is the only support many on this board need. You also can't say that my experiences and my story and my beliefs can't or won't help someone else cope.
My government is not in charge of my health. It's not their responsibility to take care of me. I take care of me. Until the truth is told about this lyme & company and we become "real" in this world of healthcare, we're nobody. Much the same way the HIV/Aids victims started out.
All you know is your story. I read you tried some alternative stuff and it failed you. Doesn't make the whole basket of apples bad, just because there was one bad apple in the basket.
There is hope for those that are failed by abx. I don't claim to know how, but I'm willing to open up my mind and heart to try.
Pam
exactly nice post
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know the history of you guys... it's OK for everyone to have their opinion.
Some drugs are helpful & some supplements are helpful. I tried accupuncture but it didn't help me. It doesn't mean I'm going to condem all accupuncturists.
My mercury level is within reason - so that's not a big concern for me. I would be using chlorella to draw out toxins from spirochete die-off. If I could afford to buy the expensive one - I would.
I can't see how using chlorella could be worse than eating tuna. I used to paly with mercury (in my hands) when I was a kid. I've had alot of jobs where I was exposed to toxic stuff. We live in a toxic world. I'm sure we all try to do the best we can with what we have.
I'm not expecting the FDA to be looking out for us given it's record. They are basically in bed with the drug companies, GMO (re: Monsanto), etc. It would be nice if we lived in an ethical world but it's not happening now. We have to do the research & watch out for ourselves.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Your right Finette, we won't be making a full meal out of Chorella that's for sure. The one area it might be helpful is metal detoxification. Dr. K. advised it's use for that purpose and he is one of the chellation masters.
But how much to take for how long based on what purpose? Good questions! My purpose was heavy metal detoxification only, I've had as many as 50 amalgams put in and taken out, I'm down to one. So I'm playing it safe and add chlorella as part of my diet. So at this point as long as I have symptoms, I'm eating chlorella. I have about 1/2 of a teaspoon every morning. Why 1/2 of a teaspoon, kinda of like the same reason why 3/4 of a bowl of cereal.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for the info Fin24. I didn't study science so I don't know about the specifics.
My cat loves it & his bowel movements were less smelly when he eats it. I don't think he'll be eating any spinach any time soon - LOL.
---- Chlorella -- A Natural Wonder Supplement
Health Benefits of Chlorella*
Powerful Aid for Detoxification of the Body*
Numerous research projects in the United States and Europe indicate that chlorella can aid the body in detoxification while strengthening the immune system response.* In Japan, interest in chlorella has focused largely on its detoxifying properties.
This detoxification in the blood will take 3-6 months to build up enough to begin this process depending on the dosage of chlorella a person is taking.* It is also this fibrous material that greatly augments healthy digestion and overall digestive track health.*
Chlorella plays a particularly crucial role in detoxification through stool.* Once detoxification occurs in the intestines, chlorella will effectively help to remove the impurities.*
How Does Chlorella Help Your Body?*
Chlorella is comprised of a fibrous, indigestible outer shell (20%) and its inner nutrients (80%). It is the fibrous material that has been proven to actually bind with impurities that can accumulate in our bodies.*
A clean bloodstream, with an abundance of red blood cells to carry oxygen, is necessary to a strong natural defense system.* Chlorella's cleansing action on the bowel and other elimination channels, as well as its support for the liver, helps keep the blood clean.* Clean blood assures that metabolic wastes are efficiently carried away from the tissues.*
Will Chlorella Help Iron Overload?
Chlorella will not help remove iron from the body. Chlorella contains iron and will actually raise iron levels. Although iron is an essential and important nutrient, excessive levels can cause significant harm.
Research has demonstrated a relationship between elevated iron and a number of diseases, including atherosclerosis, heart disease and type-2 diabetes. Iron appears to be a catalyst in the formation of dangerous free radicals - it is really an "anti-antioxidant", the exact opposite of an antioxidant.
Men tend to have higher iron stores than women; hence, they often have elevated iron levels. Pre-menopausal women are less likely to suffer from iron overload since they lose iron each month during menstruation. However, after menopause, women also tend to accumulate iron.
Measuring your iron levels is an important tool in maintaining optimal health anyway; however, I particularly recommend that men and post-menopausal women have their iron levels checked prior to using chlorella (or other iron-containing supplements). The best way to do this is through a measure of serum ferritin level in conjunction with total iron binding level.
Chlorophyll to Help You Process More Oxygen*
Chlorophyll is thought to cleanse the bowel and other elimination systems, such as the liver and the blood.
Chlorella Will Improve Your Digestive System*
People find that chlorella helps to freshen breath.* Stool smell is also improved and chlorophyll has been attributed to relieving occasional constipation.*
Chlorella supplements can speed up the rate of cleansing of the bowel, bloodstream and liver.*
Natural Digestive, and Other, Enzymes
Chlorophyllase and pepsin are digestive enzymes. Enzymes perform a number of important functions in the body.* In fact, you cannot even blink without the presence of enzymes.* It is essential that any algae you take is NOT freeze dried or pasteurized. If it is, then you have lost the crucial benefit of enzymes such as these.
Chlorella is One of the Most Scientifically Researched Supplements in History!
Click on the link above and you will find abstracts of a few of the peer-reviewed scientific articles documenting the health benefits of chlorella.* I have included a summary of the abstract with most of the articles.
Chlorella is Alkaline and Helps Promote a Healthy pH in Your Body*
It is important that we maintain a balance body pH of ideally about 7.2-7.4, which is about neutral. However, a poor diet of junk food, fast food, overcooked, and processed foods, especially soft drinks, which have a pH of 2.7, can affect the body's pH. The above foods are several thousand times more acidic than our bodies.
Chlorella can help promote a healthy pH level in your body.*
Increase Beneficial Good Bacteria in Your Intestine, Promote Fresh Breath and Decrease Occasional Constipation*
The fibrous materials in chlorella will also improve digestion and promote the growth of beneficial aerobic bacteria in the stomach.* This is something you will notice about chlorella soon after first taking it.
When you eat chlorella the beneficial bacteria in your intestinal tract, like Lactobacillus, multiplies at four times the normal rate.* This improves your digestion and your body's ability to take in nutrients greatly.* Proper digestion, augmented with the necessary enzymes, is one of the keys to your great health!*
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Exactly, that's when I started using it chlorella.....removal of lots and lots and lots of old silver fillings.
But I discovered something else also about it. I helps my body cope when I'm toxic. What is commonly referred to on this site as HERXING.
So I found for myself that chlorella has benefits for ME. I took 15 before bed last night. I did a new protocol with my rife machine. I'm going after mycoplasm.
I will take 15 more chlorella this morning. I got a feeling I'm going to be a little toxic today. I will then take 15 more this afternoon.
My history with rife machine has been 24 hrs after the session, comes a reaction (HERX).
Hello, I'm not stupid. I learn along the way. Trial and error sometimes? It's my experience, I know certain things about my body.
As far as history with Cave and myself. I've always been a Gigi supporter. Doesn't mean that I go out and do every little thing Gigi has posted about over the years. But I read and consider many things for myself. Have done many with results. Slowly, not miracle working stuff, overnight success.
War with Gigi and Cave has gone on for a long time. Gigi got tired of the negativity (Nelly) and moved on. I'm not going away. I have something to add to this board and I'm going to do it.
Pam
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
pam, i totally agree with you. chlorella is an amazing herx reliever. the best i've yet found.
sigh to much of the above. i miss GiGi.
Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
negative nelly
Well if that isn't the understatement of the century.
black and white world we live in they think.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Sparkle:
Here are a few studies showing benefits of Chlorella. Personally I have taken chlorella when having a herx headache and found the headache went away remarkably quickly. **************
J Med Food. 2007 Mar;10(1):134-42.
Chlorella (Chlorella pyrenoidosa) supplementation decreases dioxin and increases immunoglobulin a concentrations in breast milk.
Nakano S, Takekoshi H, Nakano M
Saiseikai Nara Hospital, Nara, Japan.
In addition to meeting nutritional requirements, breast milk plays important roles in biodefense for nursing infants. Dioxins have been detected at high concentrations in breast milk, raising concerns about disorders in nursing infants caused by breast milk containing dioxins in Japan.
We analyzed dioxin levels in breast milk and maternal blood samples from 35 pregnant women in Japan. We also measured immunoglobulin (Ig) A concentrations in breast milk and investigated correlations with dioxin concentrations.
In addition, 18 of the 35 women took Chlorella pyrenoidosa (Chlorella) supplements during pregnancy, and the effects on dioxin and IgA concentrations in breast milk were investigated.
Toxic equivalents were significantly lower in the breast milk of women taking Chlorella tablets than in the Control group (P = .003). These results suggest that Chlorella supplementation by the mother may reduce transfer of dioxins to the child through breast milk.
No significant correlation was identified between dioxin and IgA concentrations in breast milk in the Control group. It is unlikely that normal levels of dioxin exposure via food have a remarkable influence on IgA in breast milk. IgA concentrations in breast milk in the Chlorella group were significantly higher than in the Control group (P = .03).
Increasing IgA levels in breast milk is considered to be effective for reducing the risk of infection in nursing infants.
The present results suggest that Chlorella supplementation not only reduces dioxin levels in breast milk, but may also have beneficial effects on nursing infants by increasing IgA levels in breast milk.
Effect of chlorella and its fractions on blood pressure, cerebral stroke lesions, and life-span in stroke-prone spontaneously hypertensive rats. Sansawa H, Takahashi M, Tsuchikura S, Endo H Yakult Central Institute for Microbiological Research, 1796 Yaho, Kunitachi, Tokyo 186-8650, Japan.
Effects of Chlorella regularis (dried cell powder)--cultured axenically under heterotrophic conditions, and provided as a dietary supplement--and its fractions on the blood pressure, cerebral stroke lesions, and life-span of stroke-prone spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHRSP/Izm) were investigated.
When SHRSP were fed on diets with supplemented Chlorella to a commercial diet (Funabashi SP), elevation of blood pressure was significantly lower in the Chlorella groups than in the control group.
At 21 wk of feeding, serum total cholesterol was significantly lower in the Chlorella groups than in the control group.
Histopathological examination revealed cerebral vascular accidents in the brains of the control group, but those of Chlorella groups showed apparently low incidence compared to the control group.
The average life-span of the Chlorella groups were significantly longer than that of the control group. Chlorella powder was fractionated into three fractions, lipid-soluble, hot water-soluble, and residual fractions.
The diets supplemented with lipid or residual fractions equivalent to 10% Chlorella significantly suppressed elevation of blood pressure in SHRSP, and then decreased the incidence rate of cerebral vessel lesions compared to the control group.
Chemical analysis revealed that the lipid fraction contained large quantities of antioxidants, including carotenoids (especially lutein) and others, and phospholipids involved in aorta collagen and elastin metabolism; the residual fraction contained high concentrations of arginine, enhancing the function of blood vessels.
The control diet contained only a little these substances. These experimental results suggest that the beneficial effect of Chlorella on SHRSP is caused by the synergistic action of several ingredients of Chlorella, which play a role in sustention of a vascular function of rats .
PMID: 17330510 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -----------------------------
Ann Nutr Metab. 2006;50(4):380-6. Epub 2006 Jun 29.
Oral administration of hot water extracts of Chlorella vulgaris increases physical stamina in mice.
An HJ, Choi HM, Park HS, Han JG, Lee EH, Park YS, Um JY, Hong SH, Kim HM. College of Oriental Medicine, Institute of Oriental Medicine, Kyung Hee University, Dongdaemun-Gu, Seoul, Korea.
BACKGROUND/AIMS: A unicellular algae, Chlorella vulgaris, was used as a biological response modifier. Although hot water extracts of C. vulgaris (CVE) are thought to augment immune responses, the effect of CVE on fatigue and physical stamina has not been studied.
METHODS: In the present study, we investigated the effect of CVE on forced swimming test and blood biochemical parameters related to fatigue, blood urea nitrogen (BUN), creatine kinase (CK), lactic dehydrogenase (LDH), glucose (Glc), and total protein (TP). CVE (0.05-0.15 g/kg/day) was orally administered to mice.
RESULTS: After 7 days, the immobility time was decreased in the 0.1- and 0.15-g/kg CVE-treated groups (179 +/- 8.3 and 175 +/- 2.1 s) in comparison with the control group (223 +/- 5.4 s). In addition, the contents of BUN, CK, and LDH in the blood serum were decreased in the CVE-fed group. However, they had no effect on the elevation of Glc and TP level.
CONCLUSIONS: The results predict a potential benefit of CVE for enhancing immune function and improving physical stamina. Copyright 2006 S. Karger AG, Basel.
PMID: 16809907 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I just pulled the articles by Mercola because it was the first one that came up on the search. I know some people have issues with him. He makes money selling supplements... I do think chlorella is a worthwhile supplement.
I don't always eat lots of veggies. I like veggies but sometimes I can't afford the organic ones or I'm too ill to spend time shopping, cooking, cleaning, etc. I was doing a protocol a while back where I spent 4 hours a day in the kitchen making juices, eating organic stuff, etc + shopping, lugging groceries up 2 flights, etc. That didn't even begin to touch my issues with Lyme... the freakin' doctor who told me to do all that didn't even surmise that I had Lyme after paying him over $3000.
Anyway- I think chlorella is a good supplement. Just by judging on how I feel - it seems to be pulling toxins out of my body & there are scientific studies that claim it does that. Many years ago (before I ever had Lyme) we used to buy liquid chloraphyl & drink that. I actually used to make a herbal douche that was good for getting rid of yeast infections using chloraphyl. I'm not sure if it's better to use green magma, green vibrance, spiralina, dried veggie supplements, wheat grass, barley juice or whatever. Some of these supplements have had studies done that prove to some extent that they work to enhance the immune system or get rid of toxins, etc. I find them convenient when I can't always eat all the veggies we are supposed to in a day.
I do appreciate everyone's opinion but I just don't think it's getting anywhere to knit pick. I guess it's just the nature of having a message board... There are pros & cons to everything. I guess you just have to try stuff & find out if it works for you.
It is interesting to read about everyone's experience & I do appreciate the time it takes to post replies & research - whether I find it valid or not.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Hey, nobody is buying your sweet as pie stuff. Somebody asked/stated they couldn't understand the undertone of this debate?
I explained the issues. Truth!!! When you speak it, it's fact. Everytime I've tried to play nicey, I always get bite again. I hate ticks!!!!!
Pam
Posted by nellypointis (Member # 1719) on :
quote:Originally posted by map1131: War with Gigi and Cave has gone on for a long time. Gigi got tired of the negativity (Nelly) and moved on.
Pam,
Do you mean me (Nelly) or the proverbial small "n" negative nelly?
I don't think I ever had much to do with Gigi
Nelly
Posted by Mommy*of*3 (Member # 11688) on :
quote:Originally posted by map1131: The day I believe the FDA is watching out for my best interest will not come soon enough. So don't act like there's somebody watching over us (group) to make sure we don't get screwed by the FDA approved drugs.
If we wait for someone in the USA/FDA to help us, we might all be dead by then. That's the truth Cave and you know it.
Cave, I'm here to do exactly the same thing you are here to do. We just see it differently. That's okay.
But you cannot say that your way is the only way. You can't say your support is the only support many on this board need. You also can't say that my experiences and my story and my beliefs can't or won't help someone else cope.
My government is not in charge of my health. It's not their responsibility to take care of me. I take care of me. Until the truth is told about this lyme & company and we become "real" in this world of healthcare, we're nobody. Much the same way the HIV/Aids victims started out.
All you know is your story. I read you tried some alternative stuff and it failed you. Doesn't make the whole basket of apples bad, just because there was one bad apple in the basket.
There is hope for those that are failed by abx. I don't claim to know how, but I'm willing to open up my mind and heart to try.
Pam
Seriously. This is exactly how I feel. I come here looking for information, but time and time again I see all these negative posts from this Cave person. As if this person has the only answer out there for lyme help. Cave - I don't know who you are, but will you please stop trying to tear others down. I don't even ask questions anymore b/c of posters like you.
Sparkle - sorry to hi-jack your post. I appreciated it as I was looking for info on Chlorella.
Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mommy*of*3:
quote:
Seriously. This is exactly how I feel. I come here looking for information, but time and time again I see all these negative posts from this Cave person. As if this person has the only answer out there for lyme help. Cave - I don't know who you are, but will you please stop trying to tear others down. I don't even ask questions anymore b/c of posters like you.
Sparkle - sorry to hi-jack your post. I appreciated it as I was looking for info on Chlorella.
Exactly Mommy*of*3 nice post
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Fin, I don't know why you feel a need to defend Cave, she likes to cause disruption, I've even seen her post "That's what I do".
***"She and others [like myself] take the TIME and ENERGY to provide INFORMATION"***
Unfortunately a lot of time and energy is devoted to taking threads off topic and causing disruptions.
***lets bash them and declare it "negative"***
Lets see, Cave calls lymenet a sewer and people here lymenuts so yeah I'd say that is negative. People here know the agenda and many are not impressed.
****I see hypocrisy when its the opposers who get personal!!!***
I wonder if you have ever seen the derogatory name calling of members here (some of it very disgusting and juvenile) that Cave & Co. participate in over at LNE?
***I dont see Cave or anyone else naming some who may deserve to be named for their passive aggressive sweetie pie stick a knife in your back posts!!!***
Again, take a trip over to LNE --- it's very enlightening.
***or those who disagree and ERASE the entire thread removing valid information--boy if that not a passive aggressive vengeance move I dont know what is***
Anyone who has their topic hijacked and filled with nonsense that has nothing to do with what they asked about has every right to delete it ( or ask the moderators to) -- have the decency to start your own post if you want to go off in another direction (sorry sparkle -- I know you were only wanting people's opinions on the brand of chlorella they take.)
****NEGATIVITY is when you say " youll never be well" it is NOT when someone tries to honestly portray the opposite side of a treatment or supplement or anything.***
Well when you jump on anything and everything and post from discredited sources it is like the boy crying wolf -- people just won't listen to you anymore.
***Refute the information posted intelligently and stop whining about whether it is "negative" or not.***
Open discussion is encouraged however bullying, haranguing and trying to force your opinion on someone is probably not appreciated by most here. And Fin I don't know if it's your writing style or not but you come across as yelling at us --- is that your intent (and I don't just mean in this thread)?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by map1131: The day I believe the FDA is watching out for my best interest will not come soon enough. So don't act like there's somebody watching over us (group) to make sure we don't get screwed by the FDA approved drugs.
If we wait for someone in the USA/FDA to help us, we might all be dead by then.
Boy is that true!
One of the former heads of the FDA stated that the FDA is there to PROTECT the financial interests of the drug companies.
I've known that to be very true, but to hear it said by a former head of the FDA is pretty shocking.
Sorry I don't have his name....but I could probably find it.
Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
quote:Originally posted by Looking: Fin, I don't know why you feel a need to defend Cave, she likes to cause disruption, I've even seen her post "That's what I do".
***"She and others [like myself] take the TIME and ENERGY to provide INFORMATION"***
Unfortunately a lot of time and energy is devoted to taking threads off topic and causing disruptions.
***lets bash them and declare it "negative"***
Lets see, Cave calls lymenet a sewer and people here lymenuts so yeah I'd say that is negative. People here know the agenda and many are not impressed.
****I see hypocrisy when its the opposers who get personal!!!***
I wonder if you have ever seen the derogatory name calling of members here (some of it very disgusting and juvenile) that Cave & Co. participate in over at LNE?
***I dont see Cave or anyone else naming some who may deserve to be named for their passive aggressive sweetie pie stick a knife in your back posts!!!***
Again, take a trip over to LNE --- it's very enlightening.
***or those who disagree and ERASE the entire thread removing valid information--boy if that not a passive aggressive vengeance move I dont know what is***
Anyone who has their topic hijacked and filled with nonsense that has nothing to do with what they asked about has every right to delete it ( or ask the moderators to) -- have the decency to start your own post if you want to go off in another direction (sorry sparkle -- I know you were only wanting people's opinions on the brand of chlorella they take.)
****NEGATIVITY is when you say " youll never be well" it is NOT when someone tries to honestly portray the opposite side of a treatment or supplement or anything.***
Well when you jump on anything and everything and post from discredited sources it is like the boy crying wolf -- people just won't listen to you anymore.
***Refute the information posted intelligently and stop whining about whether it is "negative" or not.***
Open discussion is encouraged however bullying, haranguing and trying to force your opinion on someone is probably not appreciated by most here. And Fin I don't know if it's your writing style or not but you come across as yelling at us --- is that your intent (and I don't just mean in this thread)?
nice post looking thanks
newbie please read up on negative nelly before you put your foot in mouth.
Mommy of 3 and RR "if you dont want to read anything thats opposite to what you believe, heres an idea--skip over it or skip the thread entirely"
How do you know what I believe? exactly here's a idea mind your own business didn't know anyone was talking to you.
I am very open minded person so again take your foot out of mouth. When some only thinks one kind of treatment works and then bashes others for trying something else that is just wrong.
[ 07. March 2008, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: RoadRunner ]
Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
To bring this post back to the question,
I take Source Naturals Chlorella From Yaeyama. They have powder and tablet. Source Naturals has another kind that is not from Yaeyama, haven't tried that because the Yaeyama works so well.
When I say it works well, it makes my stool firm and darker. For over 2 years I've had really loose stools because of the amount of Vitamin C I take. The texture is normal since taking this brand/type...didn't happen with other brands.
For over a year, my stool has been lighter in color than it used to be. I've had my biliary system checked and there is nothing noticeably wrong, although I do have right abdominal pain when I eat fat. But I noticed the color is back to a normal when on this brand/type of Chlorella.
Posted by catalysT (Member # 10786) on :
I dunno what brand's the best. NOW brand gave me allergic itchy rashes from one bottle, but not another one. I got the same reaction to a highly regarded brand of spirulina.
However, now I'm using Nature's Answer brand capules of chlorella w/out a problem. There are probably quite a few beneficial chemicals in the chlorella, but I do believe that you want cracked cell-wall ones.
I don't think they've even yet identified all of the useful chemicals or how some chemicals in them are useful.
Not sure how it's supposedly a heavy metal chelator. It may contain Phytochelatin, or maybe that other gummy substance that some algae produce that has been shown to chelate metals. Lots of things chelate metals though, like pectin and fibers and stuffs. Not going to get into metal chelation though, as that's a complex piece there, requiring lots of research.
Chlorella has been shown to help reduce dioxin absorption and increase excretion. You can find these studies by going to http://www.pubmed.com and typing in | chlorella dioxin |
Anyway, I feel chlorella makes me feel healthier, so I take it. There is some toxic chemical that the species -can- produce, but I don't really feel like looking all that up. Use brands you trust and see how your body feels. If you get an allergic reaction or itchy red rash, I'd advise discontinuing. Maybe try another brand/species of chlorella.
Happy Healing!
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I believe everyone in this support group really needs to act like adults and quit treating this board like a teeny booper youwhoooo group.
We are trying to help others that are sick and looking for support and knowledge. If you don't want to share your knowledge and just do name calling I suggest to go to some other sight.
I'm so tired of the constant disruption that goes on here. I think I'll take my thoughts and concerns to Lou & moderators again.
Pam
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Pam, I hope the good information about chlorella will be saved from this thread as Sparkle intended.
I have absolutely no objection to all the extraneous comments being deleted.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't mind if people don't want to use chlorella. They may even have some evidence that it doesn't work for them. I've come across alot of studies that it does help plus people have confirmed it through anecdotal evidence.
If you don't want to take chlorella it's OK but don't hijack the thread to make personal comments about this person or that one. Everyone has a right to decide if chlorella is useful. I think it is. I don't think antibiotics are useful to me. I don't feel the need to discredit anyone who uses them. It up to the individual to do the research & decide which things are best.
I posted this topic to compare brands of chlorella. Some brands are expensive & others less so. There are alot of things about phytochemistry that aren't know by science, yet. It's nice to know the science & compare it with people's experience of using different brands.
If you want to rant - please start another thread as to why you may think chlorella is useless as a supplement. Like I said, we all have our own opinions & that is valuable. It's just that I wanted to compare brands of chlorella - not bash people who may want to use it or not use it.
The information is widely available on the internet about the pros & cons. I've made my decision & I think it's helpful. So far I have tried Source Natural & Allergy Research brands. The Allergy Research was more expensive but I think it was better quality. It seemed to be more concentrated. I haven't tried the other brands mentioned on this thread but I will. I appreciate all the info people provided.
There is a big difference in the smell of my cats bowel movements when I give him chlorella & when I don't. This is pretty clear evidence to me that it must be doing something right.
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