Years ago I tried lexapro for depression. I was infected but didnt know it, with babs, bart, and lyme. I had a morning temp of only 95.9 at that time. After the 1st 10mg lex. I soon felt warmer, I checked my temp, watched it rise to 98.2 or so. Then I after a few days developed leg pain, migrains and severe pain and fatigue. So I promptly stopped the lexapro. Now, Being a bit experienced with babs drugs, I remembered how lexapro seemed to do the same side effects of lariam. After about 1 weeks on lariam I had a cont. right side babs headache and decided to try a lexapro, that was last saturday. Now immed saw the temp jump, this time to 98.6! I felt warmer, and went to sleep. I woke sunday with classic babs herx. But must worse then the lariam had caused. I suggest that the lexapro somehow pushed the bugs out of my red blood cells and into blood plasma, and then the lariam cooked them.
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
I highly question that Jamescase20. There's no validity to those suppositions.
Posted by TheCrimeOfLyme (Member # 4019) on :
Knock it off with these ridiculous posts. I can't even read any more than this. They help and can help suppress symptoms. They don't kill it. They never have, and never will.
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
if you read what I said, I never said lexapro killed anything.
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Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
CrimeofLyme said: They help and can help suppress symptoms.
No, they don't just suppress symptoms, they are serotonin re-uptake inhibitors.
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/serotonin/immune-system.html "Drugs that treat depression by manipulating the neurotransmitter serotonin in the brain may also affect the user's immune system in ways that are not yet understood, say scientists from Georgetown University Medical Center and a Canadian research institute."
James, please stick around. You are wanted. There is nothing wrong with what you posted.
Terry
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
Sorry James...I was too harsh.
Look, I'm afraid that your experimentation with drugs is going to harm you. When you post something that has not been proven, it could cause harm to others.
I have been on chatroom with you, and you don't stay on one drug longer than a couple of weeks. This is really not good for you, and the cure you are seeking will not come in that way.
It must be very hard not having insurance. I know, my daughter was just dropped from insurance, so all her LLMD visits and medicines will be out of our pocket.
There are some very inexpensive drugs that you can take, but you have to take them for an extended period.
Don't leave. We want to help, but you have to be open to hearing what we have to say.
At this time, you need the experience of those who have faught this battle for a while, and have access to good medical care.
Kelmo
Posted by roro (Member # 13383) on :
stranger things have happened. they found out that depakote fights some infections. i am convinced that mental illnesses are caused by infections.
depakote is valproic acid, andd when it was used for mental illness know one knew why it worked. no one actually knows the mechanisms for many mental illness drugs
wouldn't it be something if they found out that all mental illnesses are caused by infecitons and the medicines work by killing the infecitons?
i would be careful with SSRI's tho. they cause me to go into a manic state. neuroleptics can cause hyperthermia through neuroleptic malignant syndrome. its possible SSRI is causing that type of reaction in you.
Posted by Dawn in VA (Member # 9693) on :
James, I agree with Terry. I've read some stuff about immunity and SSRI's, too. Unexplained effects, but there is some info about it on pubmed.
Also agree with K-- be careful about jumping 'round too much too fast, OK?
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheCrimeOfLyme: Knock it off with these ridiculous posts. I can't even read any more than this. They help and can help suppress symptoms. They don't kill it. They never have, and never will.
James is a real person, with real feelings, and a real illness. He doesn't deserve to be treated so rudely.
It is totally unacceptable to speak to another human being this way, never mind another sick human being. "Knock it off with these ridiculous posts" is the type of comment that should be banned.
Many of us spent time last night in Lyme chat with James. He was deeply hurt by your comments. So much so that he begged us to help him figure out how to cancel his account here at Lymenet.
You owe James an apology for speaking to him like that. He is actually a great guy, just looking for answers like the rest of us. Thankfully those of us who know him well also know how to speak to him with respect.
James spends every single night in Lyme chat seeking the support and opinions of others. He has formed close relationships with a multitude of people here from Lymenet. We care about him just as we care about each and every other person here.
This is the type of behavior that should get someone banned here; openly attacking another member. James is a kind hearted, caring person simply looking for help, and even more importantly, genuinely trying to help others.
James, I am sorry these cruel things were said to you. You did not deserve it.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
I agree with Tracy. There is never a need to be cruel to another human being. We are all connected to one another and should extend the same respect for others as we would wish for ourselves.
While I do view James as a bit reckless for my own taste, his body is his own, and I do admire the way that he is FEARLESS in his approach....he believes that he is going to win, not the bacteria.
That being said, I have noticed that in the past when I did not have a diagnosis, anti-depressants DID clearly put me in to a semi-remission..... meaning that my head pressure, subsided as did my dizziness/lightheadedness.
Panic and anxiety issues also became more tolerable, but the SSRI's were supposed to work on these symptoms.
Keep posting James.
Posted by Michelle M (Member # 7200) on :
Hi James. Thanks for your hopeful suggestion. My, I do wish that were the case but alas, I was actually already ON Lexapro in a misguided attempt by my duck to help my fearsome migraines, which were caused of course by lyme and babesia WA-1.
It didn't appear to help 'nary a bit.
It DID prevent me from perhaps gunning down everyone around me...? (Just kidding...well, kidding a little...!)
Anyway, don't go anywhere. I personally know the frustration of trying to find answers coupled with having no insurance. I'm presently "uninsurable" having been turned down by all insurers because of having lyme and "MS." Yeah, right. EVERYTHING, including meds, is out of pocket. Try and get what help you can from www.pparx.com for meds or a good, tough herbal regimen and stick with it. Don't give up!!
Hugs,
Michelle
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
Ok, now I am learning from my natpath that this lexapro and babsia herx reactions are not unheard of. She has seen this before!! She wants me to stay on it. To the person who said I am bouncing around with meds too much. When I was a teenager with very bad acne, I had a doctor, and we both discovered that by rotatation of abx, even the VERY SAME ABX over and over, we would prevent the acne from returning. If I would stay on 1 abx for a period of even a few weeks, the ance bateria would become resistent and return. So, your saying that changing drugs wont work, and thats not proven. I am not saying rotation is best, but thats what I am doing, and I am sticking with it.
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
My lexapro herx appears to be continuing. I am sick as ever. Use at your own risk!! But I swear its working wonders. Currently on lexapro 20 mg, minocin 400mg, roxy 600mg, lariam 250mg every 5 days. Super art. I also just contacted the maker of lexapro forest labs today about this effect on me. I am doing live blood on monday and we'll see what bugs are left. Peronsally, I feel like I was at war, but that the war is almost over now, and lexapro made me feel like that.
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Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
If your afraid to take a SSRI lexapro, did you know someone took about 2,000mg, which the highest dose rem is 20mg, and nothing happened? You BETTER crawl under a rock and let lyme take you. Sorry, to say that, lashing back I guess. Anyway, thanks for your aopoligy.
But lexapro is probly the safest SSRI in the whole bunch.
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