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Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :

In 2005 Dr. - said:

``Bb and Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the host's body rapidly.''

NO NO NO!!!

Bb uses Na in the final CO2 fixation process. It needs Na IN the cell and Ca OUT...which bartonella uses. A perfect "marriage".

"***All*** of the metalloproteins in Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative agent of Lyme disease, use manganese and iron is not required." (Posey and Gherardini, 2000).

"No one could say this about iron: Lactobacillus plantarum, a lactic acid bacterium, and Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacterial pathogen that causes Lyme disease, apparently have no need for iron at all.

Instead, they require manganese, which to my thinking implies that manganese can do everything that those bacteria would otherwise need iron to do.

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/80th/print/manganese.html

B. burgdorferi is predominant in North America, but also exists in Europe, and is the agent of Lyme disease.

B. burgdorferi is one of the few pathogenic bacteria that can survive without iron, having

replaced all of its iron-sulphur cluster enzymes with enzymes that use manganese,

thus avoiding the problem many pathogenic bacteria face in acquiring iron.

http://biomarker.cdc.go.kr:8080/pathogen/pathogen_view_en.jsp?pclass=1&id=78

Instead of using iron to generate ATP, it (Bb) uses manganese.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/microbiology/40883

And to reduce ATP-> ADP it uses Na-ATPase. (End of CO2 fixation).

And Bartonella uses CALCIUM.

"These results implicate ***intracellular Ca2+*** pools in B. henselae-induced angiogenesis and may lead to increased understanding of the mechanisms of pathogen-induced angiogenesis."

PMID: 17678436 DNA Cell Biol. 2007 Sep;26(9):657-63.

Light and ultrastructural morphology, and monoclonal staining implicated B. henselae.

Bacterial membranes contain calcium apatite crystals. Antigenic material was present in bacteria and calcified nodules.

This case illustrates calcified protobacteria becoming incorporated into scar tissue during endocarditis.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T11-4BJM4NX-2C&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md 5=5b51a7dea47442bf01167dc55d48ca28

You need to know this too:

"The photosynthetic PPi formation in the presence of Mg2+ was completely inhibited by Mn2+."

Know what absorbs the 880nM (energy)wavelength...phosphate.

How are we helping our astronauts?

Life support help for our astronauts

Partial remedy of these symptoms can be achieved through exercise

and the use of light-emitting diode (LED) blankets,

which prevents bone and muscle atrophy by submerging the body in 680, 730, and 880 nm light.

http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/SpaceSettlement/Contest/Results/2002/Aether/Life%20Support.htm

Neat website above for a lot more fascinating information. Our astronauts are ILL when they return to earth. We are trying to find ways to correct this.

Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :

Does this explain my ridiculous salt cravings
and why I get the muscle pain/fatigue that is
relieved by Cal-Mag supplements?

Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :

my doctor has me on calcium supplements and a prescription calcium.

sooo, should i take calcium or not.

i have lyme and bart.

Posted by Hoosiers51 (Member # 15759) on :

Sorry, I have horrible brain fog and am not a good reader....

Should I take Manganese, Calcium, and Salt? Or no?

Thanks to anyone that answers this for me (sorry Marnie, it's not you.......appreciate what you've done)

Also, AliG, this I believe is about Manganese, not Magnesium, so just keep in mind (as you may know), Cal Mag is Magnesium.

Posted by Hoosiers51 (Member # 15759) on :

bump for answers to my question? ^

Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :

I got deathly ill when I'd tried coral calcium - like I thought my head was going to explode ill.

I also have a grey metallic film on my teeth. Maybe it is manganese and not iron? It seems a lot of high iron foods are also high in manganese.

Hmmm? Look here - manganese is silverish-greyish, just like my teeth...

http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/mn.html

Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :

Yes, Hoosier, I was thinking that perhaps it was the calcium &
not the magnesium that was actually helping me. ????

I was only taking it when I had the horrible leg cramps.