Xanthones are well known for their numerous and varied pharmacological effects, including having antioxidant, antimicrobial, central nervous system (CNS) depressant or stimulant, antihypertensive, antidiabetic, anticancer, anti-inflammatory, hepatoprotective, and/or immunomodulation properties.23
Xanthones used during the present study were isolated from Garcinia mangostana L. (mangosteen), a slow-growing tropical tree with edible fruits.21
Mangosteen is commonly refered to as the ``queen of fruits,'' prized for its delicious fruits and has been utilized in Southeast Asian traditional medicine for stomach ailments (pain, diarrhea, dysentery, ulcers), as well as to treat infections and wounds.25,26
Owing to their activity as potent antioxidants,21,27-29 some mangosteen-based botanical products are standardized to contain high levels of xanthones such as α- and γ-mangostin.
Mangosteen products have recently become one of the top-selling botanical dietary supplements in the U.S., and in 2005 represented the sixth-ranked single-herb dietary supplement with sales of over 120 million dollars, a substantial increase over the previous year.30
The results from the present study, including the testing of both mangosteen extracts and compounds, indicate that certain xanthones from mangosteen fruits act as potent aromatase inhibitors in both noncellular and cell-based AI assays, especially γ-mangostin (9).
Approximately two-thirds of post-menopausal women with breast cancer have the estrogen-dependent (hormone-dependent) form of this disease, in which estrogen is required for the growth of tumors.31
Because of their relatively high yield of xanthones such as α- and γ-mangostin (8 and 9) in the pericarp of G.mangostana,e.g.,21 mangosteen botanical dietary supplements may be acting as aromatase inhibitors, and might thus have a potential role in cancer chemoprevention for postmenopausal women with hormone-dependent breast cancer.
However, before a definitive role of the mangosteen xanthones in this regard can be ascertained, additional work will need to be performed, including evaluation of the in vitro aromatase inhibitory xanthone constituents in an appropriate in vivo model.
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I can't comment personally since I haven't tried it. Some people here say it's helpful.
I've never tried it, but I have spent that much on many a bottle of various kinds of supplements.
Perhaps I should have my head examined, come to think of it!
I have amassed a small fortune's worth of stuff in my supplement "basket"!
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Not convinced. I have spiros swimming around in my eyeballs. I doubt they are going to quiver in fear of me drinking Mangosteen juice, but I bet they will crap themselves when I get a PICC line put in.
I just get fed up of people trying to make money out of the desperate. ****es me off. And we don't help by pushing these products for them.
I know for a fact that if I was one of these money hungry pigs I would be in every health chat room whaling about how great this product is and that product is.
Robin I don't know you from Adam so you could be their sales rep for all we know.
Don't get me wrong I use herbal treatments as well as abx but within reason. Andrographis, resvertrol etc.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Desertcanyon, I know what your saying and it is hard to decide on what is worth spending your money on but at the end of the day it is 37$ for frickin fruit juice.
"In my opinion, what we have here is simply an overpriced fruit drink. Fruit drinks are often healthful beverages. But the only reason I can see that the promoters of mangosteen can get away with charging $37 for this product is that they are playing on patients' hopes and fears in a cynical way. Without the health claims, open or implied, the product could only be sold for at most $5 or $6 (which, for example, is the cost of antioxidant-rich pomegranate juice)".
Posted by hcconn22 (Member # 5263) on :
I agree- the juice is about the same as cranberry juice. But at $37 is too rich for me.
Also when people (and im in the group) who are ill and sometimes are desperate = will try anything including my favorite fix-- THE BIONIC 880. Sorry 880 fans this will make the out-list soon enough.
Also my mom has been working me about this wonder clinic in LA- The Holtrof Clinic. After review of their web site--- looks awsome and spoke to the clinic- great........ then went on line and asked friends for feedback and looked at other discussion board reviews.... and guess what
About 95% bad feedback from many credible people who spent the $10-50K and got no better. All or most people got the same "Custom' suplement blends and other hog-wash. In the end this Dr backed into lyme as the new disease dejour after spending a career bilking Fibro and CF people for big bucks.
In the end if it sounds too good to be true is normally is...
Will stick with my LLMD and abx.
Posted by troutscout (Member # 3121) on :
Louis Pasteur and Dr Burrascano were both ignored and chastised based on their patient and science driven ideals at times, too.
So.....why not put these juice people under the same microscope.....hell, everyone one of them....including the people that we may know know personally that have the highest character qualities known on this public board...that have also been asked about what antibiotics they take WITHOUT question....when they comment on the effects of those....they are taken as honest answers.
Yet...every once in a while a oin head like you comes in here and tries to destroy the hoesty and integrity of the most trusted people in the Lyme community.
Why don't you take you personal attacks somewhere else...in fact, I wonder if you aren't a paid internet wafter that is put out there to destroy and maim the character of other people in the nutritional and Lyme industry....may I see your background credentials....please.
Trout Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Robin works hard to help the Lyme community and educate the public on the disease and prevention. She is a true lyme advocate. She buys her juice from vitacost as she has posted before and is not a sales rep.
She has no reason to do anything but tell the truth about how the product helped her.
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
Hmmmmm.
When I went to the site I was immediately directed to
An "apple" drink which boasts of the same if not better qualities....
I've been drinking Xango for about 17 months now.
My eyesight is definitely better.
After having the same near sighted issues for over 30 years (same Rx)
Imagine my suprise when told my sight abilities had improved.
I guess that each one of us has to make decisions based on
What we feel is best for each of us.
There are some alternatives or supplements posted on this site
That after careful research, I've declined to try.
Let the individual make up their own minds.
It is perfectly fine to post opposing points of view.
Just don't make a blanket statement about something you've never tried.
Or something that didn't work for you.
I don't.
Hugs,
Geneal
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
I'm all for hearing all points of view. Thats why I started the thread! ITS 37$ FOR FRICKIN FRUIT JUICE!!
And hcconn knows a conn when he sees it!! Fair play. And yes Bionic 880....Give me a break. With all the best LLMDS living over there in the US you are actually thinking about flying to Germany for this treatment. WAKEY WAKEY PEOPLE!
I tell you something if I spent 200 bucks on a box of juice or spent a fortune flying to see the wizard of oz in Germany I would be convinced it helped me too. No one likes to admit they have been had.
New members often post here desperate and lost and looking for guidance from experienced lyme victims. They are not always in the right state of mind to make the right treatment decisions. They might end up blowing hundreds of dollars on this kind of crap.
Lets stop discrediting ourselves with such threads and get serious. We are not doing the lyme movement any good. Mainstream medicine already thinks we are nuts as it is.
Geneal I am all for discussing topics but sometimes a spade is just a spade. I doubt Mangosteen is all you have been doing in the 17 months correct me if i'm wrong.
If you say your sight has improved then I am very happy for you.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Trout your taking this to personaly.
Ah NMN
The difference between Ultra Mangosteen and other mangosteen products found on the market is that Ultra Mangosteen contains a potent, full spectrum complex of over 72 ionic trace minerals and elements from ConcenTrace�. This complex of bioavailable minerals supercharges our formula to help in the absorption and assimilation of all nutrients so you can attain the greatest health benefit possible.�
Highest ORAC�� Value--30,000! The reason Ultra Mangosteen is different from other mangosteen products is because of its unmatched ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) score. The ORAC test is a laboratory test tube analysis that measures the total in vitro antioxidant power of foods. The higher the ORAC score, the greater the potential benefits because of the antioxidants that help defend against free radical damage to the cells. Recent research highlights the benefits of eating plenty of high-ORAC foods, citing that they may help support healthy aging in both body and brain.� By using a proprietary extraction process, Ultra Mangosteen contains the highest concentration of free radical-fighting xanthones �, which gives it the highest potency of antioxidants when compared to similar mangosteen products.
The Mangosteen The Mangosteen is a tropical fruit that grows on trees, and is cultivated in both the northern and southern hemispheres. It is composed of pericarp (rind), pulp (fruit), and seeds. The pulp is composed of four to eight white segments of juicy, soft flesh that is of the consistency of a ripe plum. The pericarp consists of a dark purple, smooth rind about 6-10 mm thick which encloses the pulp.
Ultra Mangosteen contains added fruit juice extracts and concentrates that possess important nutrients for better health.
Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract--xanthones, catechins, polyphenols, polysaccharides, potassium, phosphorus, calcium, iron, and vitamins B1, B2, B6 and C.
Goji Berry Extract--rich in antioxidants, amino acids, polysaccharides, carotenoids, vitamins B1, B2, B6, C and E.
Pomegranate Concentrate--naturally rich in antioxidants, including polyphenols, tannins, punicalagin, anthocyanins and ellagic acid, which are members of the polyphenol family, they possess unmatched antioxidant fighting characteristics to promote healthy cardiovascular function and to reduce oxidative stress on the cells.�
Blueberry Concentrate--rich in antioxidants with a high ORAC�� value to help resist oxidative stress; good source of vitamin C, fiber; high in flavonoids called anthocyanosides. Anthocyanosides help in maintaining the integrity of blood vessels, as well as helping to stabilize collagen. They are also potent antioxidants.�
Cranberry Concentrate--vitamin C, Vitamin A, potassium, fiber and rich in flavonoids to promote healthy cardiovascular function as well as healthy urinary tract function.�
Lychee Concentrate--vitamin C, phosphorus and copper.
Grape Seed Extract--contains a concentrated source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs), a potent antioxidant 20 times more potent than vitamin C and 50 times more concentrated than vitamin E�; also rich in polyphenols.
Grape Skin Extract--a great source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs) (see Grape Seed Extract), vitamin C and bioflavonoids.
Red Grape Concentrate--vitamin C, manganese, fiber and potassium. Contains a bioflavanoid known as quercetin which works as an antioxidant to stimulate the immune system.�
Mixed Fruit Concentrate--Pear: vitamin C, copper, potassium; Peach: vitamin C, antioxidants, carotenoids and bioflavonoids; White Grape.
Trace minerals are great for lymies so are the antioxidents in both types of mangosteen products. Wont cure lyme but if you can afford it then buy it it has great properties.
I cant afford it right now so i wont be buying it. Thats not to say it isnt good any thing that has all those properties has to be good for . Cheap superantioxident is melatonin and I use rosehips vitamin C and B12 shots & magnesium and a one a day vitamin. Occasionally black cherry extract concentrate.
Now Robin Merck ScurvyRobinLink you may had a touch of scurvy lack oof vitamin c.Thats why it works for you and some of your symptoms could be pernacious anemia caused by lack of intrinsic factor that processes B12 in your Intestines ? or folic acid defficiency or all three.
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
NMN,
Please don't come on here and try to save us. It looks like you have been onboard long enough to recall others who thought they had to be the lyme crusaders stomping out all illegitate forms of treatment (translated means alternative).
Problem is, they were not appreciated then and will not be appreciated now. Instead of helping others, they were reeking havoc on the board and eventually they were tossed off the board.
It is fine to state your negative experience with a treatment protocol, but not your negative opinion. Do not bash others who might still want to try the protocol nor intimidate anyone from trying the protocol because they would have to be crazy to do such a thing. That is called bullying and tends to drive others away from your cause rather than toward it.
Your opinion that newbies are too sick and gullible to make a sound choice is arrogant. You are not the perfect answer to anything.
Luvs
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
I don't know where you are buying your drink but we pay $25 a bottle and get two cases a month although I am getting ready to cut that back as my kids have moved out. My daughter used it for her acne. What a difference it made in her face.
It helps me with energy and believe it or not, after I was on it for 6 months, I had to stop my Heparin as my blood was getting too thin. I have no idea if the Xango was involved but nothing else had changed.
We bought my mother-in-law a box 3 years ago and she is a very skeptical person. She loves it and can now get up in the middle of the night without her walker. I don't think she has ever sold any to anybody. She just won't go without her Xango.
I don't sell it either - I just use it and love it.
Sandy
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Hi luvs, Welcome to the discussion nice to see you too.
I think you are getting your knickers in a twist a bit. Sometimes you just have to put things in perspective. There is nothing wrong with an open mind as long as you use your common sense and keep your wits about you.
Since when do we have to try something to have an opinion on it? I don't have to stick my hand in a blender to know that it bloody hurts!
As for the newbies comment. Don't go implying I am insulting the newcomers when I quite clearly am not.
For gods sake if there was a treatment protocol to stick your head up a donkey's arse would you all have just positive comments about it. "Oh PM me and tell me how it goes" LOL Its not always rosie in the garden Luvs.
This is not a kindergarden where we all have to play nice all the time. I am voicing my opinion about a very suspect product and its as valid as anything else posted on here.
I help plenty on this board so don't go labelling me as some sort of non-conformist evil doer who needs to be turfed out. You sound like the bully here not me.
You make it sound like I am trying to start a revolution of something. Chill out.
Oh and by the way if anyone is flying to Germany for that treatment , make sure you get a flight that stops in Dublin so I can meet you at the airport and give you a slap! That invitation extends to you too luvs x
Hi Tree....dead right, give the trout a bash on the head there!
Thanks for the info but does it not say that anything over ORAC 5000 or so will just be expelled by the body as there is an antioxidant uptake limit.
"Not all antioxidants that are confirmed as present in the laboratory can be absorbed by human beings. And there is a limit to how much we can benefit from an increased intake of antioxidants.
According to Dr. Ronald Prior of the US Department of Agriculture Research Service at Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, "a significant increase in antioxidants of 15 to 20 percent is possible by increasing consumption of fruits and vegetables, particularly those high in ORAC value.
" However, in order to have a significant impact on plasma and tissue antioxidant capacity one can only meaningfully increase one's daily intake by 3,000 to 5,000 ORAC units.
Any greater amount is probably redundant. That is because the antioxidant capacity of the blood is tightly regulated, says Dr. Prior. Thus there is an upper limit to the benefit that can be derived from antioxidants.
Taking in 25,000 ORAC units at one time (as reputedly occurs with mangosteen) would be no more beneficial than taking in a fifth of that amount: the excess is simply excreted by the kidneys.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Yep thats true but I was also talking about minerals and vitamins being absorbed people with lyme for any length of time are very depleted also by the abxs we take can interupt or even stop some nutrients from being in that case more is better and also must take delivery system into account. Sublingual is good if its high amounts of b12 thats just one example.
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
I haven't tried Xango, but at my health food coop I was given a free bottle. So I am going to try it. I also ordered one Noni juice from the coop and it was $15 for 32 oz.
My husband picked up my script for antibiotics and it was $135 for 40 pills (20 days worth), that to me is ridiculous! I don't even know if I'm going to try them.
I've read of others being helped with mangosteen too, so I'll know once I try it.
Take care, Ocean
Posted by gemofnj (Member # 15551) on :
MAGOSTEEN JUICE INGREDIENTS: Serving Size 1 ounce (30ml) Servings Per Container: 25 Amount Per Serving Proprietary Blend 4.3 g Mangosteen Fruit & Pericarp Extract Concentrate (Garcinia mangostana)
Concord Grape Fruit Concentrate (Vitis labrusca) Red Grape Fruit Concentrate (Vitis vinifera)
Blueberry Fruit Concentrate (Vaccinium corymbosum)
Red Raspberry Fruit Concentrate (Rubus idaeus)
Red Grapeskin Extract (Vitis vinifera) Barbary
Wolfberry Lycium Fruit Extract (Lycium barbarum)
Sea Buckthorn Fruit Extract (Hippophae rhamnoides)
Red Grapeseed Extract (Vitis vinifera)
Green Tea Leaves Extract (Camellia sinensis)
Apple Fruit Extract (Malus domestica)
It looks like a combination of lots of antioxidants.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I doubt seriously that Dr Moss has never even tried mangosteen. I'm sure since he's such a skeptic, he's not been on it long enough to give it a good run.
I will NEVER be without my Xango. At least I pray I won't. It has saved my butt.
Because of it, I have
1. less pain 2. improved vision [documented] 3. less fatgiue 4. less brain fog 5. better gums 6. fewer headaches [now rare] 7. a healthier immune system
You're not talking ME out of it for any price. The anti-inflammatory effect is the big deal, NOT the huge anti-oxidant effect.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by gemofnj: [QB] MANGOSTEEN JUICE INGREDIENTS: Serving Size 1 ounce (30ml) Servings Per Container: 25 Amount Per Serving Proprietary Blend 4.3 g Mangosteen Fruit & Pericarp Extract Concentrate (Garcinia mangostana)
Concord Grape Fruit Concentrate (Vitis labrusca) Red Grape Fruit Concentrate (Vitis vinifera)
Blueberry Fruit Concentrate (Vaccinium corymbosum)
Red Raspberry Fruit Concentrate (Rubus idaeus)
Red Grapeskin Extract (Vitis vinifera) Barbary
Wolfberry Lycium Fruit Extract (Lycium barbarum)
Sea Buckthorn Fruit Extract (Hippophae rhamnoides)
Red Grapeseed Extract (Vitis vinifera)
Green Tea Leaves Extract (Camellia sinensis)
Apple Fruit Extract (Malus domestica)
It looks like a combination of lots of antioxidants.
Those are NOT the ingredients in Xango. Posted by Erica741 (Member # 15186) on :
You guys are all arguing about a JUICE! (with special vitamins/minerals that may help us, but who cares anyway???)
If someone gets results with the juice, then let them drink it and share their experiences. The $37 is nil compared to the tons of $$$ most of us have spent on more expensive and totally useless supplements, herbs, etc.
I doubt if any newbie is going to go broke trying a bottle of mangosteen.
As for the Bionic 880, that is an entirely different situation. I haven't done any research on it, but have heard that patients are coming back from Germany reporting miraculous improvement in just weeks. Only time will tell if these patients relapse.
But spending thousand of $$$ travelling across the world for expensive and experimental treatment is not comparable to trying a bottle of juice.
In fact this thread has convinced me to try the Mangosteen! Which product should I get and where should I order it?
My only concern about this juice is the sugars even just in the fruit. I am on abx and am doing my best to follow the yeast-prevention diet.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Mangosteen is interesting and I've posted a URL in the past for the freeze dried version.
The problem with Xango is adding other fruit juices to maximize profits. It's obvious you get a bigger bottle, nice tasting juice, and its much less costly for them to make and much bigger profit margins. Period.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Mangosteen: Responses to Dr. Ralph Moss's Article, "A Friendly Skeptic Looks at Mangosteen" Editor's note: the following letters were to sent to us in response to Dr. Ralph Moss's critical look at the alleged miracle fruit mangosteen. Since we make the critique available to our readers, it's only fair to publish some responses to it...
Tana Writes...
Iread the article on Mangosteen and was sad. If I'd read that article 9 months ago I would not be alive today. Read on ...
My Story is direct. I had an emergency surgery gone bad. I came out of anesthesia with only a tiny pouch for a stomach and 60 inches of small intestine. At the time I weighed 124# and am 5�3�� tall. Through the unnecessary damage and radical surgery (law suit pending) I was not able to eat or drink enough foods, liquids or even special nutritional products to stay alive. They dropped a line into my arm that ended at the top of my heart and fed me TPN to keep me going. I was house bound, couldn�t get away from the bathroom and other serious problems that I�ll not go into. Even with the TPN I was barely able to live.
Then the insurance Company decided they would no longer pay for the TPN and the line was pulled from my heart. I cashed; losing weight very rapidly. I quickly dropped to 104# and by this time was in extreme pain, falling down, walking into walls and experiencing advanced loss of cognitive abilities. I now needed 24 hr home care and no money for it. I tried everything the doctors, surgeons, specialists suggested. Also since I own a holistic healing center of course every possible course of holistic care was worked with.
Finally I had to accept that I was slowly starving to death. My poor husband, my best friend and love of my life felt so helpless. We bought burial plots, designed the headstone, made arrangements, etc. Then we went to have two weeks alone. That is when someone (a little angle) just happened to meet us, gave me Mangosteen Juice from XanGo and I started drinking 1/2 bottle a day (12 + oz) where I now know the average person would take only 2 to 3 ounces a day, more if needed.
Neither David nor I expected any results as it really had no way to stay in my system to be assimilated. BUT in a few days I got out of pain and fully knew who I was, where I was and most astounding was the decrease in pain. Every day got better and better and now I have my life back.
What did the Mangosteen from XanGo do? I�m not a doctor but later started researching and how and why it helped me fell into place. Each person is different, each situation is different. But my friends and family watched me go from the brink to life, most of them are now on mangosteen as well for a wide variety of issues. Thank goodness for my little angle and my willingness to try one more thing even though it `couldn�t have worked�.... Grin.
Just wanted to share my Xango experience with you ...
For approx 4 years I had severe him inflation and my doctor wanted to prescribe "Celebrex" which I took on few occassions when I could barely walk because of the pain ... Xango changed my life ... Didn't make a business out of it but today I can walk, I can run and I can even spend 2 hours at the gym working out without feeling that horrible pain ... Whenever we go in the Caribbeans I bring my juice ... 1/2 an ounce a day is all I need. Whenever I leave and forget my Xango, I come back home with the pain that's starting to build up. Maybe it's expensive but not as much as Celebrex and it doesn't ruin my stomach!!! My husband uses it because of joint pain after many years of free weights and he also sees a difference ...
So I would not completely tarnish Xango ... It is above all anti-inflammatory. If you take Xango and then take something else that kills those effects that you can't really say it's not working ... i.e. If you have cancer and take Xango and then keep smoking is that really the way to go??!!
After reading this article, I too was saddened and irritated to be reminded there are such negative and closed minded people, especially ones who have the title of Dr. in front of their names. I shouldn't be surprised; it has been our experience that doctors and prescription drugs go hand in hand. If you are a doctor and you go against the norm, I applaud you!
For those of you who are interested, here's my testimonial. My husband is an Iraqi Freedom veteran. While in Iraq he developed and suffered from bulging discs, PTSD, and asthma. As a result he was put on 2 types of inhalers, sleeping pills, several types of pain medicine, nerve pills, anti-depressants, anti-inflammatory, ladicane patches, cortisone shots, allergy medicine and a prescription for his asthma. The list goes on because all those medicines had to be "played" with, adjusted and in some cases changed because of side effects and the adverse reactions some of the medications had with each other. For months I watched him barely even get out of bed!
Two weeks before his 3rd cortisone shot (within a 4-month period of time), I was introduced to Xango. I immediately purchased the supplement and we both began drinking it 3 times a day. My husband improved enough within a 2 week period of time that he DID NOT have to go back for his 3rd shot and within a 3-month period of time had discontinued of the remainder of the prescriptions. The problems I had were gone and I discontinued my prescriptions within 1 week. Some of us are tired of taking medicine that never cure our ailments, but only mask them and give us side effects. Why should you take a prescription if you can get the same or better result from a food or in this case, juice? Thank you Dr. Templeman for the insight!!!
So while you attempt to discredit the supplement and the company that you know so little about, real people with real problems are benefiting from you're, loosely termed "overpriced juice". Xango is worth it's weight in gold! My husband and I feel great and we will never be without our Xango! If you haven't tried it, you are missing out! What's more, you aren't qualified to condemn it.
Xango doesn't make claims that the "juice" will work for everyone, nor do they say that it will cure, treat, or diagnose any disease. They simply say try it, we think you'll like what it does for you. They also say if it doesn't work for you, return your first shipment within 30 days and we'll refund the purchase price.
Xango found a way to bring a botanical that has benefited people for centuries to market. Say what you like about the product, the company, and multi-level marketing, but you really don't know until YOU know! If you haven't tried it, you can't give an educated opinion about it.
For the record, there are 1,155 articles on PubMed about Xanthones. Don't believe me, look it up at www.pubmed.com. Simply type Xanthones into the search engine.
I read your article on Xango's Mangosteen juice. My reason for trying the juice is because many pharmeuceuticals that were prescribed by a doctor I experienced the side effects. Refusing to take Lipitol because of high cholestrol of 264 I took Mangosteen and within three months my LDL went down to 130. I am 70 and had two very serious falls. One in which I hit my head on concrete, and the other I slipped on ice. When I hit my head my blood pressure went from 110/70 to 150/90. I went to the doctor and my nose was not broken but swollen because of the fall. It my age many people would have passed out. I began to take large doses of the Mangosteen juice and within one day the swelling around my eyes and nose decreased and the pain totally gone. When I slipped on the ice my left arm because of the way I fell twisted to the back and I thought I either broke or dislocated my shoulder. After taking x-rays and there was no breakage or dislocation, again I consumed large amounts of the Mangosteen juice.
Having perused the Health Article below by Ralph Moss, I delved into the section on Mangosteen. You have probably been inundated with testimonials about Xango, however I would like to add our experience, being as it deals with non-cancer.
My husband, Bill, has had 2 heart attacks, 3 stints, a 5 artery bypass, and a pacemaker, this over the last 16 years, He also has Diabetes and high blood pressure. Consequently he goes into the hospital for eccocardiograms almost yearly. The life expectancy of the male line in his family, both maternaly & paternaly has been in the low 70s.
2 years ago, March 2005, His pulse slowed down to the mid 30s, his insulin intake increased, and he just generally felt sh---. A friend, talked Bill into trying Xango, with the provision that if he didn't get any results within 30 days, he got full money back. Bill, being a sceptic, was not impressed and on day 28, he phoned to cancel the Xango. He did, however, have an appointment on the 29th of March to have an eccocardiogram. Having been a few times, he was on friendly terms with the technician, who told him, ordinarily he would not say anything to the patient, but would let the Doctor relay any info. However, he was amazed at the difference in my husbands heart functions, and said that the last time he had the test done, the technician was very concerned at the shape of Bills heart. He said " I don't know what medicine you are on, but don't stop, this is the best shape, I've seen your heart in, for years.
Bill did not mention Xango to the technician, but thinking overnight about the results and realizing that his pulse had returned to normal as well as his insulin intake being cut in half, he phoned and cancelled the cancellation.
Upon seeing his Doctor and mentioning Mangosteen, the Doctor, who is a South Asian, said that as a child, his mother used the Mangosteen rind as a poltice, with great effect and that he thought that Bill should continue to use it.
We are very active, golfing and ballroom dancing and Bill continues to enjoy life. As he puts it "The more you do, the more you can do"
He will celebrate his 82nd birthday come January. So we are in pretty good shape for the shape we are in. Xango works for us. Incidentally, I did a great deal of research into Xanthones, Mangosteen and any related material that I could find. Our sceptisism was overcome by results.
I do believe that the timing was perfect and it goes with my feeling that nothing is by accident in this Universe.
If you have managed to read all of this, I thank you. I also would like to complement you on your emails, Jokes, and introductions to many fine possibilities on life in general. Also thank you for Dr. Kim.
Tracey F. writes... The mangosteen article by Ralph Moss that you posted on your site saddens me. I have always been a fan of yours and am surprised that you thought this article credible. It is obvious that Moss is against MLM. He has never tested the product and he misquotes XanGo�� and Dr. Templeman. This has caused some people who might have benefited from drinking the juice to not give it a try.
This is about XanGo�. I would just like to tell you that I disagree with all of the things you say about the company. First, I don't see why you attack it so much when you have no idea of what you are talking about. Second, you attack it because they sell overpriced juice when you are selling some over priced crap. The last thing is that there aren't so many tests on this because the western world is just opening its eyes to this so don't be surprised if in the near future tests come out to bite you in the *** .
Regarding Dr. Moss's critique of XanGo� Mangosteen: whilst I agree that more scientific information needs to be made available and more clinical trials done, I must conclude that Dr. Moss has never actually used the product for any particular problem, nor experienced the complete cure of inflammatory bowel problems that I and another friend of mine experienced as a direct result of taking Mangosteen.
Within 4 days of taking XanGo� my problem, which had seen me hospitalized 3 times in 6 weeks, started to clear, and within a week I was again eating relatively normally. My friend who couldn't eat at all because of a huge tumor in her abdomen is now eating again, in a lot less pain and feeling a lot more positive about fighting her cancer.
In conclusion, skepticism is great, in its place, but no product should be "canned" without those doing the "canning" actually trying it, or having someone close to them try it on an actual problem. I receive Dr. Moss's newsletters regularly and have found many of his articles informative, however, if all "new" treatments are as summarily dismissed I can only say I am extremely disappointed.
Hello Doc, I recently started my wife on XanGo�. She has had a hip replacement two years ago and is otherwise quite arthritic. Three weeks onto XanGo� and I really notice a difference. We researched the heck out of this juice and naturally ran into your website. I too was bothered by the method of distribution, but when I checked with all of the other distributors of the juice, I found the price to be the same (4 bottle for $100).
When you said this on your site: "The price of their XanGo� mangosteen juice is currently $37 per bottle (or four for $100). You have to ask yourself: who on earth would pay that much for a bottle of fruit juice, no matter how delicious it might be?" you appear to have missed the point. The juice is not attractive because its a "bottle of fruit juice." It is attractive because of what it does.
Your site is dated. You might wish to take another look a this. Costco sells the stuff for $25 a bottle. So having it sold to me by network marketers is not a big deal, particularly since it comes right to my door.
The empirical evidence is growing. How about an update to your site?
Annette E. writes... I'm writing you in regards to your opinion on XanGo� juice.
You must not be a person that has ever been in horrible pain every day for years with no relief. You obviously have never tried XanGo� juice or you would know that it is for real and not hype!
I was trying to find a way out of life because I hurt so bad everyday. It had been going on for over 20 years. Headaches every day and migraine several times a month. Panic attacks also. Plus much more. I was given a bottle of XanGo� to try. I didn't believe in it one bit. But it was free so I did try it.
Within a week I was feeling a little better and hadn't had a headache of any kind all week. I had also kicked a drill bit that was attached to a drill. It was the size of my little finger. It poked a hole under my big toe! As soon as it quit throbbing it didn't hurt anymore not at all!
I know it sounds unbelievable but it is true! I would not believe it myself if it hadn't happened to me. That was when I decided to start taking it. I had to borrow money to do it.
I hadn't gotten the funds for 3 weeks after the bottle had been empty. That is when I knew exactly how much it had really helped! I was in horrible pain again headaches and migraines were back in full force. I was able to get back on and now I have been walking every night 3 miles or more WITHOUT PAIN!!!! You have no idea how great that is! I couldn't even walk a step without pain! I figured it would help me but not as much as it did!
I'm getting so much better I shocked my Doctor Big time! She still can't believe the changes in my health. Cholesterol has gone down. I was taking 7 pills a day now I don't take any and I still feel great! ...
Everyone is asking me about the juice just because the changes they have seen in me. People I never ever thought would try something like that are now taking it. They are having nothing but good results on it. I hope to hear from you soon. I will be glad to set you straight.
Annette E.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Lymetoo, A little birdie told me you have major links to the company.
I was wondering when you would chime in. Welcome! Wow....quite a hefty post you got there. I'm off to bed. Night all. Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
I tried a brand that wasn't Xango at the onset of my illness, and it didn't really do anything for me. However, it was quite tasty.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by NMN: [QB] Lymetoo, A little birdie told me you have major links to the company.
Like anyone else who buys it every month, I signed up. Why not have it delivered directly to your door?
I'm proud of my affiliation with the company and the number of people I've helped with their health issues.
So fire away !
PS... Dr Moss wrote that garbage 4 1/2 yrs ago. He could learn a lot by trying the product.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
i don't care what it would cost....if it helped me, i'd buy it....
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
NMN - maybe you are just looking for something to vent your anger over? What difference does it make if people want to try something that they may find helpful?
There's plenty of scientific studies about mangosteen published on PubMed. Seems that the hull of the mangosteen fruit has many beneficial properties.
I recently purchased some dried organic mangosteen powder that also contains the hull. I haven't received it, yet. It was about $25 or $30 for a pound. So, it's not a big expenditure. Someone here recommended it to me & this person doesn't sell it.
Seems for all the potential benefits - it's worth it. A pound will probably last me a year or at least several months.
Getting angry at people for treatments that they decide to use isn't of much benefit to the community. We are all different & have different manifestations of Lyme or other co-factors. What helps one person may not help another.
It's fine to have different opinions about treatments but it helps to be respectful towards everyone & the decisions they choose to make.
5 years from now, you don't know if you will change you mind in light of new scientific data about a drug, supplement, therapy, etc. So, it's best not to criticize people too harshly.
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
I think that your posts are written in a way that is confrontational.
No Xango is not all I have done or all I take.
I also have not stuck my head in a donkey's behind either.
I think your choice of words whether coupled with a smiley face
Or a blinking eye, is very challenging.
What I am saying is that I didn't state my improvement with my vision
To make a "believer" out of you.
I don't need to.
At the end of the day other than God, I must live with whatever decisions I make.
Good or bad.
I hope that you never see me posting here belittling or challenging
Any others treatment protocols or lack thereof.
Just a gentle reminder that we are all here trying to get well.
Some of the members are well yet still dedicate their time to helping others get well.
I hope that whatever approach you are using, it is working for you.
Hugs,
Geneal
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by randibear: i don't care what it would cost....if it helped me, i'd buy it....
exactly my feelings....
The best mangosteen I know of costs $25 per bottle....not $37.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
Maybe it's like everything else. What works for one person may not work for the next.
I had better results eating raw organic honey.
Kathy
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I agree. Tone it down. There's no reason to bat someone over the head to make a point. If you're sick for a long time, it's quite natural to be experimental in attitude and if that means sampling exotic fruit drinks then go for it.
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
After reading this thread I too want to try some mangosteen. I do like eating the fresh fruit and I wish they sold it here in the USA.
Kathy what did the raw honey to for you? I like honey but have been avoiding it due to candida. I heard it is good to apply it for skin fungus but when I tried it was a sticky mess.
Posted by hcconn22 (Member # 5263) on :
Sorry that many got offended by my thoughts. However that is what healthy debate is all about.
There are some significant differences in freak science and some of these cures.
Mona Vie and some other special juices are sold ONLY through MLM. If I need to explain the pros and CON's of MLM then maybe you need mango. This is not backed by any real science, a Dr, a scientist, or even a trial and error inventor, or sick person. It was found by a TriAthlete who was immediately drawn to the MARKETING aspects and potential market for this product in the US.
Not that there is anything wrong with a Tri Athlete discovering a Miracle Cure- I too before Lyme was a Top distance swimmer and professional TriAthlete. Traveled all over raced everywhere, got paid, won prizes etc., but am surely unqualified to drink some juice and call it a cure for every aliment under the sun.
Good juice with Vit and Minerels would help anyone-- if they are not getting proper nutrition. There are also many simple solutions to gaining essential vit and min's without calling it a breakthrough cure.
As far as Jones, Burascano and a countless other list of mavericks I believe their actions involved a little more personal risk, better -- and they were not selling a PRODUCT for profit.
When MARKETING and potential profits outweighs substance- this is when I question peoples agenda. Also when claims can not make sence, or there is a mystery gap in what it does- i.e. Stimulates energy and healing Q (What does this actually mean or do?).
Also when Burascano and others start hocking Juice and Light Boxes I guess I will give in and buy.
I like alternative and out of the box thinking- but am not swayed by a few claims on a chat board.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
I drink organic green tea with raw organic honey. This is the first year in over 22 years that my immune system seems to be working again.
Maybe it's just that after three and a half years of treating Lyme I'm starting to get better.
For some reason I don't have any yeast issues with honey. I bake cookies with it and have never had any yeast problems with it. It really helps too if you have a cold.
Kathy
Posted by FuzzySlippers (Member # 13658) on :
I was very disappointed to see that Xango has sodium benzoate in it.
My tummy will not tolerate a preservative like sodium benzoate. And even if it did, with my rotten luck, my body would turn it into benzene immediately.
After seeing Robin's remarks on the Ultra Mangosteen some months ago, I bought of bottle. I haven't opened it yet but it's on my list of things to try.
Fuzzy
Posted by polar blast (Member # 9142) on :
your all wrong!! It is a reality...I took mangosteen juice and it really really made the herx alot worse..I stopped the mangosteen juice and after a day the herx stopped..I think that mangosteen juice removes the inflamation and allows the antibiotic to hit its target..beware dont take to much or you will be very sorry and i do mean sorry..start slow...also it is true about white and green tea..it does really really make the antibiotic much more potent..and yes start at a low dose of antibiotics if you try white or green tea or you may over dose..this is all true so dont discredit others..be nice..
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
Polar, Does it matter if the green tea is decaffinated? I like to use things in their natural state, but unfortunately my anxiety would go through the roof with caffiene.
Thanks, Ocean
Posted by gemofnj (Member # 15551) on :
There are alot of vunerable, desparate people on this website that are very sick and will try anything they read if they think it will help.
I truly think that if someone wants to try a product that is wonderful. And if it helps, that is even more terrific.
But I dont want to be duped into buying products because people are getting a % of sales or getting a kickbacks.
I did some reading about Xango and they were warned by the FDA about making its health claims. There are other mangosteen juices out there.
I am not knocking Xango. But people should research any product, get documentation, compare its ingredients, and check with their doctor as well before buying any 'miracle product.'
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by hcconn22: [QB]Also when Burascano and others start hocking Juice and Light Boxes I guess I will give in and buy.
Many doctors sell it. So if Burrascano was selling it, you said you'd buy it??
No, then you would accuse him of profiting off of people.
Does he not sell supplements, as most LLMD's do?
[I realize he no longer is in practice... just hypothetical.]
PS.. no one is trying to SELL anything here... NMH started this.
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Quote: I did some reading about Xango and they were warned by the FDA about making its health claims. There are other mangosteen juices out there. End Quote:
Another poster said once that the FDA was founded to protect big business.
Me thinks that was a very wise poster.
I'm with you guys! Pass the mangosteen juice. This thread has sparked my interest. Luvs
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
There's a big difference between flying to Germany and trying a bottle of fruit juice. At worst, you try one bottle and you're out $36. You won this time marketing!
C'mon! There are better targets for ridicule than weird tasting fruit juice.
If lyme and associated diseases were clear cut, there'd be no need for this board, LLMDs, or exotic concoctions.
I've seen enough lazy doctors to know that the scientific community doesn't have the monopoly on good information.
Self-education is a good thing, and part of learning is buying fruit juice that may not work. However, there's a fair chance the juice may do more than magic crystals Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
Still, Bryan Rosner devoted a whole chapter
in his book on the Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments
On the merits and benefits of mangosteen juice.
My neighbor and I were looking at it tonight.
He doesn't work for Xango either.
Just a thought.
Hugs,
Geneal
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
I'm with Erica and a few of the others.
Thanks for starting this thread as it has sparked an interest and I am going to try this juice.
I have been drinking a lot of ginger tea and green tea lately and really like the way it makes me feel.
I have also been thinking of adding organic honey to the green tea as well. This thread addressed that as well, so thank you too!
The Mangosteen juice sounds very interesting and I would love to see what it does for me.
Honestly, I don't think $25 for a bottle of juice that will last a while is all that bad.
After all, I used to put down $8 dollar cocktails at the piano bar and that was not including the tip. And believe me, I could put down more than one in a night. Talk about wasting money.
I kind of look at this disease like a war. I am going to do anything and everything to kill this sucker. Perhaps for some their arsenal includes Mangosteen.
If the juice can help me get there, than sign me up. If it does nothing than at least I was putting something good into my body.
Cheers! Elizabeth
PS I have been thinking of buying a lightworks too!!!!!
Posted by polar blast (Member # 9142) on :
white tea either decafe or regular..my choice toa..that is the brand and you can get it at startbucks..dont take this tea all at once..try about 2 ounces and then see how you react..you dont want to make the antibiotics so powerful that you get unwanted side effects..mostly for those on biaxin or zithromax.. it is said and is known that while drinking tea and taking antibiotics that you will increase the killing by 99 percent..so dr b recommends that we drink it all day..but that is up to you..
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
i'm interested in trying mangosteen juice, however i'm with fuzzyslippers. i won't drink anything with sodium benzoate in it. yuck.
can anyone recommend a brand without preservatives?
Posted by surg (Member # 6937) on :
I tried all kinds of alternative things and mangosteen is the ONLY one that worked-period.
It caused a herx like I had on mepron. I'm sure it is a natural antibiotic or protozoal substance.
It also gives me alot of energy like a stimulant.
So Mr. Shmangosteen the proof is in the pudding.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
I see this thread has turned into a Mangosteen add as predicted.
The reason I posted the article was to highlight that Xango have very little scientific evidence to have the cheek to charge that amount for their juice.
America should be re-named "The land of opportunists"
I would not pay much attention the FDA either. They serve no intrests but their own and are as crooked as scholiosis.
Maybe lymetoo can send out a few samples to fellow board members so they can bask in mangosteens healing glory.
"Not selling anything" Give me a break! Your first post says otherwise. I did not see you deny you are affiliated with them either.
I don't doubt the juice is good for you but the price is just taking the **** and that is that.
Knock yourselves out.
I hope you all find health soon.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's just mangosteen & the outer hull which is supposed to be beneficial - no additives. A pound of the powder was $23. You only take 2 tsp a day.... probably less for us Lymies.
They also sell green tea, honey & a bunch of other interesting fruit products & stuff.
I haven't received it, yet, so I don't know if it's effective.
I DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM SALES OF THIS PRODUCT.
I just found it, myself, on the internet through Google. Someone said to me a few days ago that the powdered mangosteen is beneficial so I figured I'd give it a try.
Posted by mynewname (Member # 11950) on :
I tried this, but ONLY because it came with a money back guarantee. Tasted good but that's about it.
I wonder how many links down the MLM chain for it to cost so much.
It was only when my doc prescribed the proper anti-infectives that I recently noticed improvement.
If ya'll want, I have some tree bark extract that can be made into a soup for sale. According to legend, it's supposed to be very beneficial for every ailment. Just a tad harsh to keep down though.
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Wow NMN!! You sure have Lymetoo pegged, don't ya? I guess that's why she has 40,000 posts, huh? It's all a giant smokescreen so she can really sell mangosteen ...sheesh! Get a life...
Lauren
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Hi Lauren, I think with 40,000 posts she can speak for herself.
Conflicts of interest are a serious issue. What do you think the IDSA was disbanded for?
I have a problem with that and so should you. Get a life yourself !
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Polar Blast,
Thanks for the info. I will try those teas you mentioned. I did not know that the tea could boost the abx like that. That is very interesting.
Sparkle,
Thank you for the site address for the powder.
After I order the juice or powder, I will let you know how it affects me.
Here's to good health Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Yes green tea is an excellent choice liesandmorelies.
It has been used for thousands of years and has many studies done on its beneficial antioxidant and healing qualities.
There was also a recent study suggestion it improves antibiotics effectiveness.
I am in China and have been able to drink some excellent ones daily.
Mangosteen just seemed to come out of nowhere. A test tube test forged in a lab to give it some sort of scientific credibility.
Google green tea. andrographis, resvertral etc and you will get dozens of studies done from all over the world.
It stinks
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Conflicts of interest?! Are you serious? TuTu isn't writing a bunch of BS in medical journals that doctors base life and death decisions on - she's a beloved member of a SUPPORT forum - BIG difference.
How dare you compare her sharing her experience with Xango on Lymenet to the IDSA and their ties to insurance comapnies! That's a load of crap and a really low blow and you know it!
The only one who seems to have an agenda here is you. Care to fess up?
Lauren
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
FYI: For everyone wondering about Mangosteen....
I just wanted to copy this from the site of Bryan Rosner's book. This is the Index from the book. It clearly lists Mangosteen. In fact not only is it talked about, but there is a whole chapter beginning on page 247(Chapter 7)on Mangosteen!!!!!!
Don't mean to bore you all, but here is the whole Index. This book covers quite a bit of material and NO, I do not work for or profit from recommending this book.
Elizabeth
Here's the Index from the book!!!!
Foreword by James Schaller, M.D. 1
Preface: The Lyme Chronicles 5
Roadmap of this book 11
Information for the reader 13
Early-stage (acute) vs. late-stage (chronic) Lyme Disease 13
The Lyme community: Your greatest asset 14
Lyme Disease and rife machines 17
The ``herx reaction'' and other vernacular terminology 19
What is (and is not) in this book 20
The internet: A double-edged sword 22
Bryan Rosner's Lyme Disease E-Newsletter 23
Introduction: Welcome to the world of Lyme Disease 25
Medical freedom and how it impacts you 25
What is Lyme Disease and why are new treatments needed? 31
Obstacles in diagnosis 32
Obstacles in treatment 36
Conventional vs. alternative medicine 39
It's time to shift your paradigm 42
The best treatment of the 10 44
Time: The treatment of all treatments 50
Is there hope for someone with chronic Lyme Disease? 54
The pill panacea 56
PART I: THE 5 CORE TREATMENT PROTOCOLS
Introduction to the five core treatment protocols 60
Chapter 1: The antibiotic rotation protocol 63
Introduction to rational antibiotic use 63
How to use the Antibiotic Rotation Protocol 70
Principle # 1: Every antibiotic has a short time frame of effectiveness 72
Principle # 2: Breaks must be taken between courses of antibiotics 73
Principle # 3: Rife machine therapy is used during breaks from antibiotics 73
Principle # 4: A new antibiotic should be used for each round of treatment 75
Principle # 5: Adjunctive therapies can increase the effectiveness of antibiotics 77
Principle # 6: Antibiotic use must be spread out over a long period of time 77
Pharmaceutical antibiotics 79
Cell wall inhibitors 80
Protein synthesis inhibitors 83
Macrolides, lincosamides, and ketolides 83
Tetracyclines 84
Cyst-targeting drugs 85
Antibiotic summary chart 86
Intravenous antibiotics 87
Non-pharmaceutical antibiotics 88
Colloidal silver (CS) 88
T.O.A.-free cats claw 90
Olive leaf extract 92
Teasel root extract 93
Sarsaparilla officinalis 93
Grapefruit seed extract 94
Lauricidin� 94
Mangosteen 95
Systemic enzyme supplementation 95
Stephen Buhner's Lyme Protocol 95
Chapter 2: The Marshall Protocol 97
Preface and disclaimer 97
Introduction to the Marshall Protocol 98
The answer to many incurable, idiopathic diseases 102
Marshall Protocol principles 105
Vitamin D dysregulation 105
Amplified effect of antibiotics 112
Marshall Protocol components 114
Correcting Vitamin D levels 114
Reducing exposure to sunlight and artificial bright lights 114
Avoiding Vitamin D sources in food and supplements 116
Benicar lowers Vitamin D levels and weakens the bacteria 117
Antibiotics 119
My experience with and commentary on the modified Marshall Protocol 121
Trial and error vs. laboratory testing 131
Rife machines vs. the Marshall Protocol 132
A final word 132
Chapter 3: The Salt / Vitamin C protocol 133
A new discovery 133
Interest in the protocol broadens 134
The first explanation of why it works 136
How is the protocol used? 138
Chapter 4: Detoxification 141
A toxic world 141
The Lyme Disease toxin 146
The liver as a detoxification organ 148
The liver detoxification pathway 149
Liver detoxification therapies 151
The cleansing laxative 151
The Hulda Clark liver cleanse 153
The Shoemaker Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol 156
Diet, nutrition, and supplementation 160
The skin as a detoxification organ 160
The skin detoxification pathway 161
Skin detoxification therapies 163
Sauna therapy 163
-What is a sauna? 164
-Traditional saunas 165
-Far infrared radiation saunas (FIR saunas) 165
-Moisture and steam in the sauna 167
-Ozone saunas 168
-Sauna building materials 170
The epsom salt bath 171
Additional detoxification therapies 173
Detoxification supplements 173
Milk thistle (silymarin) 174
Alkalizing minerals 176
Mercury detoxification 179
Mercury and Lyme Disease: Partners in the destruction of your health 180
The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments: Defeat Lyme Disease With The Best Of Conventional And Alternative Medicine
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Posted by mynewname (Member # 11950) on :
With all due respect to Bryan, he is a Real Estate agent and his treatment recommendations are based on personal experience and hearsay.
He was one to recommend Rife early as a Guinea Pig and that has helped many get better. The same cannot be said for Xango.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Hi Mynewname,
I am not at all saying that Mangosteen is a must have for all of us. All I am saying is that for some people it seems to have some great benefits.
I am sorry if it did not work well for you.
Regarding Bryan, I am not suggesting that Bryan's claims are 100% correct. I am just saying that he believes that when Mangosteen is used in conjuction with other things, the synergistic component can work well for Lyme Patients.
I would also like to point out that much of what I have learned along the way has come from everyday ppl on this site. Point being, that I have learned more from my fellow Lyme friends here than from the vast numbers of professional doctors that I have frequented through the last couple of years(with the exception of my LLMD who is awesome)!!!!! So, perhaps Bryan is a Real Estate Agent, but that does not change the fact that what he has experienced has not been real, nor does it change the fact that he may be offering real sound advice.
I also loved Pam Weintraub's book and she was a writer, not a doctor.
Peace, Elizabeth
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
NMN if you are stopping off in any countries or places that have fresh mangosteens can you get me some? I don't care about their healing properties I just love the taste.
Maybe you can rob a mangosteen cart for me on a almost deserted beach. Point towards the water and scream shark or tsunami in the local language and then run off as fast as you can with ALL the mangosteens.
Thank you in advance! If you can ship them next day air that would be good too.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Angelica thats a fine idea OR I could just go down the local E Mmart and buy a bag of them for a dollar instead.
I don't want to get on the wrong side of the law here. They execute people for less.
Speaking of theft, Lets get back to Xango!
[ 20. November 2008, 04:00 AM: Message edited by: NMN ]
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
You know what they say in Singapore never steal mangosteens while chewing gum or they will flog you for twice as long :-)
I want the fresh mangosteens minus the preservatives in Xango. I don't find multi level marketing juice appealing at all but I would try the one without preservatives that anyone can buy online. If I had my wish it would be a daily endless supply of fresh mangosteens.
Could I be homesick for Asia now that the weather is getting cold here? Nothing like drinking fresh coconut water on the beach after a few hours of boogie boarding in warm tropical water and then moving on to a pile of mangosteens.
The hotel I use to live in had a no mangosteen policy. I don't know why because they do not stink like a durian but maybe it was for ant control. Of course that did not stop me from smuggling them in.
What the heck are you doing in Asia other than making waves on a Lyme forum?
I will wire you the dollar. I have not had a mangosteen since 2005.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
My, my - quite a response going here.
First of all, I know different things work for different people. We can only say what works for us.
Erica - in answer to your question about what versions have less sugar, I think Xango has low sugar. The Mango-xan version lists 2g sugar as compared to 6g sugar in the Ultra.
I drink a Mango-xan bottle once in a while as a break from the Ultra. But I get more noticeable health benefits from the Ultra, probably due to the 72 minerals added to it, which hardens my nails, meaning it's mineralizing the bod.
Polar - so true about going slow. The juice was so powerful at first - blew my socks off for the first couple days - so yes, go slow, drink a lot of water when you first start.
Heiwalove and Fuzzy - the Ultra version states no added preservatives.
I order mine through Vitacost for around $16/bottle, which lasts me around 10 days. That's about $1.60/day to save my eyesight, gums and intestines. The price of a cup of coffee. I haven't yet found anything to compare.
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Robin does the Ultra version taste good and how much should one start with per day? Maybe it would give me enough energy to get a new passport and go to Germany for treatment.
For anyone who wants to poo poo the Bionic 880 go right ahead it just means less people to have to fight for space when booking an office visit with Dr. W.
I think the LLMDs in the USA are great and we are lucky to have them but I would much rather be treated by a European MD who has an understand of homeopathy as well as Western medicine and uses energy testing as well and can adjust one's spine.
I was speaking with an local Austrian MD/homeopath/chiro on the phone today whose number and name I am keeping well hidden from Scott F. and his Rock Star hall of fame. She was saying how the doctors in Germany have much more training in Germany then in the USA because they are required to study more then just Western medicine and how $7,000. is very reasonable for a German machine.
After being a patient of hers and getting much more out of her then most MDs trained in the USA I would have to agree. Give me a European trained MD any day. They know how to look at the complete patient and picture and after studying homeopathy they certainly know what questions to ask to figure out your past history and what is going on with you. They take the time to read your chart rather than ask you what meds they put you on last time.
[ 20. November 2008, 05:17 AM: Message edited by: Angelica ]
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Hi Angelica - yes, I think it tastes good - besides the mangosteen extracts, it lists extracts of goji, grape seed and grape skin; and concentrates of pomegranate, blueberry, cranberry, lychee, red grape and mixed fruit.
I'd say only do a little bit at a time in the beginning, drink a lot of water, and see how your body responds.
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Thanks Robin. I plan to order some tomorrow or I should say when I wake up. Lychee is excellent for the liver and my liver currently needs help.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Oh Lauren sorry I did not see you there.
Again I don't like repeating myself, she can speak for herself.
On top of that you are trying to defer attention away from my very valid point by suggesting I have some sort of agenda. Your trying to start a witch hunt and get the moderators attention. Pretty pathetic effort.
The IDSA comment was me trying to put conflict of interest into a model you can understand. Its the principle.
If I came in here telling everyone how wonderful a product was and then I told you at the end that I was a sales rep for them. Would my statement still have the same credibility? I think not.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Synthesis and antimycobacterial assay of some xanthone derivatives.Szkaradek N, Stachura K, Waszkielewicz AM, Cegła M, Szneler E, Marona H. Department of Technology and Biotechnology of Drugs, Faculty of Pharmacy, Jagiellonian University, Medical College, Cracow, Poland.
A series of some derivatives of 2-xanthone was synthesized and evaluated for their activity against M. tuberculosis in primary and/or secondary microbiological assays. The cytotoxic activity of some compounds was also evaluated. The most active compounds were: [I] 2-(2-(4-(2-(4-chloro-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)ethoxy)-9H-xanthen-9-one, [III] 2-((4-(2-(4-chlor-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)methyl)-9H-xanthen-9-one dihydrochloride and [XVIII] ethyl 4-(2-hydroxy-3-(9-oxo-9H-xanthen-2-yloxy)propyl) piperazine-1-carboxylate, which displayed 98%, 98% and 94% inhibition of M. tuberculosis growth, respectively. Furthermore, compounds III and XVIII revealed their cytotoxic activity (SI < 1). Other structures varied greatly in their anti M. tuberculosis activity, however, several trends in their structure in relation to their antituberculous activity have been observed.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Cardioprotective effect of alpha-mangostin, a xanthone derivative from mangosteen on tissue defense system against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats.Devi Sampath P, Vijayaraghavan K. Centre for Advanced Studies in Botany, University of Madras, Guindy Campus, Chennai, India.
Increased oxidative stress and antioxidant deficit have been suggested to play a major role in isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction. The present study was designed to evaluate the effect of alpha-mangostin on the antioxidant defense system and lipid peroxidation against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats. Induction of rats with ISO (150 mg/kg body weight, ip) for 2 days resulted in a marked elevation in lipid peroxidation, serum marker enzymes (LDH, CPK, GOT, and GPT) and a significant decrease in the activities of endogenous antioxidants (SOD, CAT, GPx, GST, and GSH). Pre-treatment with alpha-mangostin (200 mg/kg of body weight per day) orally for 6 days prior to the ISO administration and 2 days along with ISO administration significantly attenuated these changes when compared to the individual treatment groups. These findings indicate the protective effect of alpha-mangostin on lipid peroxidation and antioxidant tissue defense system during ISO-induced myocardial infarction in rats.
Xanthones with quinone reductase-inducing activity from the fruits of Garcinia mangostana (Mangosteen).Chin YW, Jung HA, Chai H, Keller WJ, Kinghorn AD. Division of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy, College of Pharmacy, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH 43210, USA.
Bioactivity-guided fractionation of a dichloromethane-soluble extract of Garcinia mangostana fruits has led to the isolation and identification of five compounds, including two xanthones, 1,2-dihydro-1,8,10-trihydroxy-2-(2-hydroxypropan-2-yl)-9-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)furo[3,2-a]xanthen-11-one (1) and 6-deoxy-7-demethylmangostanin (2), along with three known compounds, 1,3,7-trihydroxy-2,8-di-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)xanthone (3), mangostanin (4), and alpha-mangostin (5). The structures of compounds 1 and 2 were determined from analysis of their spectroscopic data. All isolated compounds in the present study together with eleven other compounds previously isolated from the pericarp of mangosteen, were tested in an in vitro quinone reductase-induction assay using murine hepatoma cells (Hepa 1c1c7) and an in vitro hydroxyl radical antioxidant assay. Of these, compounds 1-4 induced quinone reductase (concentration to double enzyme induction, 0.68-2.2microg/mL) in Hepa 1c1c7 cells and gamma-mangostin (6) exhibited hydroxyl radical-scavenging activity (IC50, 0.20microg/mL).
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
Polar, Thanks for the clarification on the tea, I appreciate it. I'm going to get some decaf and look forward to drinking something other than herbal tea!
Take care, Ocean
Posted by Cold Feet (Member # 9882) on :
Sorry, I have a very serious question:
Since Shmangosteen has 400 billion times the amount of bioflavinoids, phytonutrients and vitamins that noni, Rechts Regulat or Mangosteen, where can I buy it?!
In the meantime, Rechts Regulat and Noni are doing wonders for me. I'll comment more on some other Bat Channel.
Posted by ChrisBtheLymie (Member # 8916) on :
I looked into this Mangosteen a while ago and the health claims made by websites and people on here put me off it. I've seen people on here claim that it cures cancer. I mean, come on... seriously!
I think people need to look at this sensibly.
There is very little scientific evidence.
The health benefit claims and cures are absolutely ridiculous.
The price of Mangosteen is criminal.
It does not cure Lyme.
Some people here on Lymenet are affiliated with Xango and make profits from selling it to sick people. Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by NMN:
The reason I posted the article was to highlight that Xango have very little scientific evidence to have the cheek to charge that amount for their juice. First of all, you have the wrong price. Check any Xango site and you will see that it is $25. As for "little scientific evidence, just go park yourself in PubMed and keep pulling up research articles by plugging in "Mangosteen+xanthones"
America should be re-named "The land of opportunists" I'm not going to sit back and watch you bash a product I love.
Maybe lymetoo can send out a few samples to fellow board members so they can bask in mangosteens healing glory.
Sorry, no handouts. I didn't get one. I have no "extra" money floating around.
I don't doubt the juice is good for you but the price is just taking the **** and that is that.
Knock yourselves out.
The last sentence says a lot about you and your motives.
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Chris,
Any healthy food will help prevent and help cure cancer. Cruciferous vegetables are famous for their cancer fighting abilities. It is known that cruciferous veggies promote the body's production of glutathione and this is one suspected reason of why it reduces the risks of cancer.
Vitamin D has been shown to cut cancer risks by 60%.
Everyone knows or should know by now that anti-oxidents fight free radicals which cause cancer.
Cancer is literally a disease of malnutrition. Most americans are obese and malnutritioned. We are eating fake, dead, poisonous foods.
So if Mangosteen or any other juice has anti-oxidants in it; then sure, it is going to help prevent and/or cure cancer.
BTW, refined white sugar feeds cancer as does fats. So enjoy that doughnut and the chemo that will surely have to follow after too much consumption of the Standard American Diet.
Duh!
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
this type of post always brings out the best and worst in people. i figure these are "gotcha" questions, because nobody wins and it just causes discord....
so if i want to spend my money on xango, noni, or snake oil and i feel it helps me, then i'm bloody well going to....it's MY money and MY body...
so what's the problem....
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
I often wonder at times if the simplest cures for our disease(and other diseases) will end up being things like Mangosteen and FIR treatments etc....
You talk about oppurtunistic...
In a hundred years from now, it would not shock me if the thing that has cured Lyme were the simpler things like the Bionic 880 or special combinations of juices etc...
My point being that it seems to me that the real "oppurtunists" are the drug companies as proof by the IDSA panelists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe ABX play a role in our disease, but big Pharm wants to keep a tight reign on their position regarding our health care.
I also think as the "proof in the pudding" is revealed regardless of whether it's the Bionic 880 or something else, you will see a huge surge of those products being incorporated into mainstream practices here in the US and elsewhere.
Because, as we all know the bottom line is the bottom line and the powers that be will finally cave in as to not want to miss out on the "oppurtunity" to make money.
For now, Big Pharm has its hold, but as business moves elsewhere that will change. Believe you me, they are not going to like the massess leaving the country to go to Germany when the money could be coming into their own pockets. This is basic economics.
I think the powers above already know so much more than we do about curing Lyme and other things too.(funny that they were already using things like lightworks for the astronauts years ago)....
They also know if the cat got out of the bag, it would be economical suicide for the big industry's that love keeping us dumbed down.
Just my thoughts. Posted by JillF (Member # 5553) on :
Why would it not make sense that Mangosteen is good for ppl in general, much less those with a compromised immune system?
There is so much information and research showing how good antioxidants are for you: boosts immune system, fights off infectious diseases, fights off viruses, helps delay the signs of aging, etc. Our cells use antioxidants to work against the effects of harmful environmental factors and free radicals that evade our bodies defenses and can cause internal breakdown and cellular aging. They counter oxidation and neutralize free radicals. There is even a study now that shows that antioxidants can reduce the toxic effects of lead
And I'm sure everyone has heard about the many benefits that come from the antioxidants in red wine: warding off Alzheimer's, proven way to reduce coronary heart disease, improves cardiovascular health, lowers production of low density lipoprotein cholesterol and boosting high density lipoprotein cholesterol, reduces blood clotting and now one study has found that the antioxidant resveratol (found in the skin of red grapes) may inhibit tumor development in some cancers. Another study indicated that resveratrol aided in the formation of nerve cells, which is beneficial in the treatment of neurological diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
It would make sense that Mangosteen, at least, has a small health benefit as would any fruit rich in antioxidants.
And a number of laboratory and animal studies suggest that mangosteen has significant anti-inflammatory effects. Just, there are no human studies as of yet to determine if these anti-inflammatory effects will be helpful to ppl with arthritis or other inflammatory conditions
Btw, as noted in the article NMN posted, dried Mangosteen apparently is used in Calcutta and China for medicinal uses. The sliced and dried rind is powdered and used to overcome dysentery. It is made into an ointment for eczema and other skin disorders. The rind decoction is taken to relive diarrhea and cystitis, gonorrhea and is applied externally as an astringent lotion. A portion of the rind is steeped in water overnight and the infusion given as a remedy for chronic diarrhea for adults and children. Filipinos employ a decoction of the leaves and bark as a febrifuge and to treat thrush, diarrhea, dysentery and urinary disorders. In Malaya, and infusion of the leaves, combined with unripe banana and benzoin is applied to the wound of circumcision. A root decoction is taken to regulate menstration. A bark extract is used for treating amoebic dysentery.
I think the fact that it's being used for so many different things (and they can go back to Stone Age times in Italy and Switzerland and even Ancient Egypt and prove that Mangosteen was being use for medicinal purposes) outside of the US, that there might be something to this fruit
So, it could be that they find that Mangosteen is extremely beneficial for multiple reasons
But, as of now, it's obviously great for the antioxidants. And perhaps those taking it now are ahead of the game before research proves how beneficial Mangosteen really is
[ 20. November 2008, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: JillF ]
Posted by JillF (Member # 5553) on :
I found this. I'll have to research this more when I get time
VERY interesting imo
So what does scientific study say about the mangosteen fruit rind and stem, and who has been doing all this research? Here it is:
* A university in China found that mangosteen hull is loaded with free radical scavengers (meaning that the mangosteen properties seek out and actually counteract the free radicals)
* Universities in Thailand, China, and India have found that the mangosteen is loaded with xanthones, and that these xanthones have strong antioxidant action (antioxidant means against free radicals)
* A Taiwan medical college found mangosteen to be effective against leukemia
* University in Japan found mangosteen to be an effective antibacterial agent, specifically against certain drug resistant strains of bacteria, and also a very strong COX-1 and COX-2 inhibitor, which means it inhibits inflammation
* More than one university in Thailand found mangosteen to be effective against breast cancer cells
* A university in Singapore has found the antioxidant activity of the mangosteen to be extremely strong, possibly stronger than any other fruit. This activity includes anti-inflammatory actions, effectiveness against a multitude of degenerative diseases, including: heart disease, arthritis, immune system malfunctions, and also cataracts and brain dysfunction
* A university in Korea studied the actions of the mangosteen and found it to be effective with circulatory problems, including hardening of the arteries, and also a general anti-inflammatory
* A university in Nebraska, USA found that mangosteen was loaded with carotenoids, which are strong antioxidants and considered Vitamin A precursors
* A university in China that found possible benefits against Alzheimer's disease brain degeneration
* A university in India found new xanthones which have strong action in the fight against diarrhea, dysentery, cystitis, eczema, digestive problems, inflammation, and diabetes
* A university in Japan found the mangosteen to have a strong antihistamine action, therefore making it great for allergy problems, rhinitis, and asthma, to name but a few of the possibilities
* A university in China showed the anti HIV action of the mangosteen
And the list goes on......
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
It is not bog in a bottle and it has some of the same properties as resveratrol.
I was paying over $190. a month for the amount of resveratrol my LLMD wanted me to take each month. I would rather buy a bottle online of the mangosteen juice with no preservatives included and mix up my antioxidants a bit. I still take resveratrol but less then I was. My CO Q 10 that I buy from Allergy Research has a painful price tag as well.
Should people be selling Xango to others here? NO! They can do that through email and off the board. Should they be sending newbies PM's about Xangos vitamins? NO again. It is against the forum's rules. Should they be approaching anyone here to sell anything NO again.
I think energy medicine including infrared light is going to be the wave of the future. I am ready for more holistic treatment for illnesses.
Posted by MartinJS (Member # 15473) on :
Well put Angelica.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Ditto what Angelica said Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
NMN,
You're soo multi-talented! Not only are you a "whistleblower" but a mindreader too! FYI, I couldn't care less about getting the moderators attention - in fact I think this site can be a little strict at times...on that note, maybe you're not such a great mindreader after all... so don't quit your day job!!
You can be skeptical of Mangosteen all you want, but personally targeting another member is wrong. You've also done so in a very confrontational manner and you know it.
For all the ones who have been here for a while your desire to cause an upset and start fights is very transparent - it's also not going to work.
And please don't make a "kissy" face at me again - the only thing of mine you can kiss is my a$$.
Lauren
Posted by FuzzySlippers (Member # 13658) on :
Robin123,
Thanks so much about the info on the Ultra Mangosteen. I actually bought a bottle of this stuff months ago after reading your experiences. Around that same time I also had two of my non-LLMD physicians recommended it to me for what they thought were "fibromyalgia" symptoms. In addition, I'd read some interesting research that was coming in from Life Extension Foundation on the use of Mangosteen juice.
I decided to go with the Ultra Mangosteen brand because I refuse to take Xango. I just can't tolerate the sodium benzoate in the Xango. The Ultra Mangosteen brand is, as you say, free of preservatives like that.
I must confess, though, that I have yet to try the juice. I've felt as though I've had my hands full and have not wanted to add something new yet for fear of increased herxing.
My chiropractor swears by mangosteen juice. And I was quite surprised to have one of my conventional, allopathic physicians recommend it as well. Neither of them had preferences to any specific brand name to use -- I did ask.
Oh well, anything that can help alleviate symptoms and make life better is a good thing!
Thanks again.
Fuzzy
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Angelica: Should people be selling Xango to others here? NO! They can do that through email and off the board. Should they be sending newbies PM's about Xangos vitamins? NO again. It is against the forum's rules. Should they be approaching anyone here to sell anything NO again.
I agree !
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Fuzzy - I doubt if I herxed when I started the Ultra mangosteen juice. Within the hour, eye symptoms began clearing up. 24 hours later, no more eye symptoms.
Within the hour, my sinuses began to run and did so for the next 48 hours. They ran a marathon.
24 hours later, my intestines started to empty and did so for the next 72 hours. We're not modest here, are we, sometimes? Ever since, real regular, like a baby.
96 hours later, I noticed no more gum bleeding. I do still brush and floss. Don't want to cheat on that even tho I swear the juice handles this too.
Just go slow and drink a lot of water.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Robin that is amazing!
Sorry if someone already mentioned this brand, but does anyone know if the Trace Minerals brand of Ultra Mangosteen that Vitacost sells is any good. It is very affordable right now. On sale for $17.13 per bottle for 32 ounces. They recommend 1-3 oz's per day.
Thanks for any information! Elizabeth
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
That is the brand Robin posted she often buys.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Angelica,
Thank you for the information I appreciate it. I am going to order some. I have read all the ingredients and it looks wonderful. It can only be healthy for us based on the ingredients list and who knows what else.
I don't think that $1.80(and that's if you drink the full three ounces)a day is too much to spend on a drink... Look at how many ppl eat out or go to Starbucks for coffee and think nothing of spending $3.00 on high test Java.
Elizabeth
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Exactly. The fact it helps with sinuses has me very excited. I actually am going to order some for a sick friend to try as well. They don't have Lyme or at least not diagnosed Lyme yet but they have some sort of Mycroplasma that keeps haunting them.
Trace Minerals has been known for years in the industry for making quality products and especially minerals.
Maybe this thread is informative after all. Many of us are learning more about the juice and perhaps anyone who has been sending PMs here announcing they sell MLM juice and vitamins to others well start to understand that we know what they are up to and it is really unacceptable.
Maybe they will stop attempting to sell here.
Posted by desertcanyon (Member # 17998) on :
Hmmm...
The original post:
quote:Originally posted by NMN: Good article on the truth about Xango mangosteen juice. 37$ honestly.....You need your head examined if your buying this stuff.
Followed by three entire pages (almost 90 posts so far) of discussion, research, anecdotes and argument -- and therefore interest in -- mangosteen. Now everybody's curious about trying it.
Reverse psychology?
And, any good conspiracy theorist knows that there has to be a secret hidden code somewhere...
Wha??? Each letter in "NMN" is exactly 1 letter in the alphabet shifted from "MLM".
I've got it! NMN is actually selling mangosteen for an MLM under the pseudonym Lymetoo! Very sneaky.
No?
Okay, maybe not.
But it would have been a brilliant (and effective) strategy, I must say.
In all seriousness, while NMN can be um, shall we say, less than diplomatic, he or she does make some valid points about reasonable costs, proper research, potential for companies to take advantage of sick people, conflicts of interest, etc.
But on the other hand, it is natural, I think, for a lyme sufferer, having found a product that they really believe in, to sign up to sell it to others. It's a potentially win-win situation.
So many lyme sufferers struggle to work, and need something they can do from home (and only when they are physically up to it.) So I see this as a legitimate way to make money, as long as it's done appropriately and up front.
The MLM companies? I don't know. I've always been leery, but I've never been inside one to say anything definitively one way or the other. I think anyone is susceptible to compromise -- whether through greed or desperation.
But really, the ridiculous costs are the medical ones, especially if you don't have insurance, or insurance won't cover. Office visits, labs, procedures, medicines, etc.
I *finally* was able to get prescriptions for antibiotics again, but can only afford 1 of the 2 antibiotics for now.
We're talking $264.00 for the GENERIC brand of azithromycin at WAL-MART for 30 tablets (WITH the discount). Sheesh. No kidding. Now I do take issue with that.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by desertcanyon: [QB] I've got it! NMN is actually selling mangosteen for an MLM under the pseudonym Lymetoo! Very sneaky.
I THINK you were kidding, but I AM offended! I'm also not happy with what Angelica said. Thanks a lot, FRIENDS.
Lyme patients account for about 3% of my sales.
Posted by desertcanyon (Member # 17998) on :
Lymetoo,
I thought for sure you would see that I was poking fun at NMN, because his/her negative post about mangosteen generated so much *positive* interest in it. It was all meant to be in good fun.
I certainly did not mean to offend you in any way, and I'm very sorry that my post made you feel that way.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Hi Lauren....I swear.... you have just made me nearly choke laughing on my organic porridge oats!! LOL
If I had a day job I would not be sitting here shooting the breeze with you fine people now would I?
Lymetoo - 25$ is still BS in my opinion. For that price I would want to hear that they are loosing two or three sherpas in their mission to gather the PRECIOUS MANGOSTEENS!
I picture a scene from frickin JUMANJI where they are being picked off by one by one by ferocius creatures and giant insects in distance uncharted Jungles.
Now THAT might justify the price. DANGER MONEY.
In case you have not been reading, I have not been bashing the product you love, I have been making a very valid argument that they (and you) have not got right to charge the price they do. And what ever you might think of me, that is just a fact.
There is a lot to be said for the placebo effect too you know.
Knock yourselves out is a figure of speech that you may not be familiar with by the sounds of things. It does not literally mean you should knock yourself out by hitting yourself on the head or anything.
It was me throwing my hands up and saying "Whatever....drink Mangosteen until its coming out your ears for all I care"
Look I think I have made my point and to be honest I am getting a little bored now.
Randibear - makes a good point.
Lauren - PM me and we can set up that dinner date you have been hinting at. x theres one for the other cheek
Lieandmorelies - Yes I totally agree with you. Pharmaceutical companies in the US are total extortionists and I feel very sorry for you all that you have to put up with that.
I seem to recall a thread not so long ago that i made my feelings well known on what I think of your health care system. So I won't bother going into it any further now.
You say that the proof is in the pudding. Well thats not always true. I remember a product similar to Rife that took off in the UK and they made a killing from patients believing it worked.
There were Hundreds of testimonials written when all along it was a scam and legal precedings went ahead against them.
I have a friend who was personally involved in these clinics so you will just have to trust me on that one.
Like I said, The placebo effect is real too.
Desertcanyon - Nice theory, by the way this thread has turned out it certainly looks like I am helping their sales rather than hindering them. Looks like I misread the American mind a touch. You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing.
JillF - Why would it not make sense that Mangosteen is good for ppl in general, much less those with a compromised immune system?
Again no one is debating it is good for you.
Chris - Welcome to the Shmangosteen revolution. LOL
I think lyme has robbed some of you of a sense of humour too by the way.
Good talk.
PS Lymetoo, Desertcanyon was having a laugh. I got it but it seems you didn't. Take a chill pill, I can sell you one for 50 bucks made from nutritious Irish rock moss from the hills of Donegal Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It may be important to see what percentage of mangosteen is really in some of the products. I looked at the Trace Minerals brand of Ultra Mangosteen & it doesn't say. It just says that it has:
Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract Mangosteen Extract Goji Berry Extract Pomegranate concentrate Blueberry Concentrate Grape Seed Extract Grape Skin Extract Cranberry Concentrate Lychee Concentrate Red Grape Concentrate Mixed Fruit Concentrate
I found that 1 ounce = 28349.5231 milligrams (on Wiki.answers)
So, it doesn't have alot of actual "juice" in it...
It doesn't say the proportions.... if this is a concern. Might be .005 mg of mangosteen...? It does have other beneficial ingredients so I don't think it's bad. You just may not be getting alot of mangosteen.
Also, the hull is supposed to have alot of the nutritional value. It doesn't taste good but it has some important nutrients. It would be good to find a product that includes the hull. Maybe that's what they mean by - Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract?
We also don't know if "extract" is better than the whole fruit or if it's pasturerized (which may kill enzymes). So, there are alot of questions about these types of products.
I think there is some good to them - it's just alot to think about.
PS - No one here has ever solicited me to buy mangosteen juice.
Posted by surg (Member # 6937) on :
Hey, I resent being pegged as trying to advertise mangosteen. Screw you. Really. This disease is horrible and it's socially responsible that when you find something that really helps to inform others of it.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Elizaeth - yes, I order from Vitacost - the price of the juice just went up apparently, to $17.13. Still the cheapest way to order, I think. The 32-oz bottle lasts me 10 days.
Sparkle - I've asked in the past about the amount of mangosteen in the juice and they wouldn't say. All I can say is that the juice works for me as a good antioxidant, anti-inflam juice.
Now I am getting curious to hear how the juice is going to affect any of you here who are going to try it...
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Now for something a little more serious. I just made a post in Activism about an email I received tonight about an apparent FDA attack on nutrients and supplements, which will affect the use of our beloved mangosteen products as well as anything else we order.
Please go see!
Thx! - me
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by surg:
This disease is horrible and it's socially responsible that when you find something that really helps to inform others of it. [/QB]
Absolutely.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Hi NMN,
One thing to consider is that Mangosteens are not as available as lets say apples and oranges are in the states. In fact in this area it's a much more exotic fruit.
I am currently paying $4 for a half a gallon of orange juice(oranges are very plentiful here). So I really don't think that $17 for 32 ounces is that out of whack when you consider where they are shipping it in from.
And, with the orange juice, I would need to drink lets say 8 to 12 ounces a day and it does not even come close to having near the nutritional value that Mangosteen has at 1 to 3 ounces.
Can you offer any figures that would show what you would deem to be a resonable price for Ultra Mangosteen Juice when you take into consideration the rarity of the fruit in the states and the manufacturing costs of the juice and the other ingredients that are going into it???
Of course I realize they are making a profit, as nothing in life is free. But, is it really out of whack?
I mean pomegranite juice is very, very expensive where I live. I have seen it in mainstream Grocery's for about $7-10 a bottle and I even have Pomegranite's growing over my backyard fence.
What I meant by "the proof is in the pudding", is that if ppl are having a reduction in their symptoms and are feeling better, than so be it.
You know a lot of our health is "how we feel". If something makes you feel good, than for me that is a large part of what my health is about.
I am a firm believer that when your body is hurting it is telling you that something is very wrong. So, if these ppl say they are herxing on this juice or feeling better while taking it after the herx has gone away, than personally that means more to me than the reports that the FDA and Big Pharm may spit out at us.
You of all ppl I would think would understand that logic since you agree with me regarding the abuse that Big Pharm has inflicted onto us.
I am not saying this about you, but I have encountered many ppl who are very afraid of looking outside of Western Medicine and have claimed that everything that is not in the realm of Western Med is just a placebo effect if one notices beneficial changes.
You know some of the healthiest ppl on the earth are the ppl who live in very remote places in the East. Many ppl believe it's becuase of the low stress and vitamins and minerals they get from their food sources.
I am not at all saying that scams do not exist, as I do believe they do. I just don't want to become so cynical to spite myself if you know what I mean.
PS Please don't read too much into this, but I was insulted that you would write the following:
quote from NMN
"You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing."
How would you know what the heck we Americans are mezmorized by???? Talk about an insulting, rude and huge blanket statement.
Why would you make a blanket statement about all of us???? Maybe you need to take that inflamatory statement and go to your hill in Donegal and reflect, or are you too "mezmorized" by yourself to do that?
I also find it very telling when ppl accuse ppl of losing their sense of humor right after they bash someone. Very obvious. Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
couldn't agree more.
i went to a place called "central market" today.
they had bananas for about 1.50 per POUND. walmart has bananas for around 50 cents a pound or less.
point is, you can shop around and get deals. i was very very fortunate to have a dear friend send me two bottles....
thank the heavens for her.....she sells it too and has never ever pushed it on me.
if people are interested they will buy, try, and make their own opinion, if not, they won't....
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
quote:Originally posted by NMN: Looks like I misread the American mind a touch. You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing.
It may be time for the moderators to pull the plug on this one. I'm willing to tolerate Anti-Americanism in the rare instance but there's no restraint here and it does not serve the board well.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I think mangosteen fruit is available in a FEW places in the US for around $10 per piece of fruit. I don't think it was $10 a lb.... per piece.
and uh .. sherpas DON'T harvest it
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
ah, sherpa....educate me....
isn't that the guys who walk around with uh, those big beasts in the mountains of the himalyians (sorry for spelling)...
my brain just fried......LOL
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
OH Randibear!!!!
Now you got me laughing!!!!
I just can't stop picturing big hairy, fury Sherpas lugging Mangosteens in their saddle bags through the likes of South East Asia.
It's all about the humor!!!! Thanks for making me laugh, I needed that.
Elizabeth
Posted by MartinJS (Member # 15473) on :
There's/ nothing funny about bashing other races. Sherpas are an ethnic group from the most mountainous regions of Nepal and are highly regarded as elite mountaineers and experts in their local terrain.
I find the tone of the last two posts extremely offensive. How would you like to be called "Big Hairy Furry American?"
Fist of all Sherpas are neither big nor are they hairy and I do think it time that a moderator put a stop to insulting other races. Enough is enough.
Posted by not so sublime lyme (Member # 15185) on :
Martin,
I think Elizabeth is confusing the Sherpa people with an animal used for carrying goods. I don't believe she meant to insult anyone.
BTW, my dad was a "big hairy American" and I am just praying my daughter doesn't take after him. (Laser hair removal is expensive!)
We Americans do need to learn not to take ourselves so seriously.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Martin,
Perhaps you did not read the whole thread, but these comments stemmed from other comments.
I would never make a racist comment.
I apologize if you are taking it that way.
I was simply picturing Yaks carrying mangosteens in their saddle bags while being hearded by Sherpa's. (It was a silly visual that came to mind) of course the Yak's were the ones that were hairy not the Sherpa's
Perhaps I am dumb as a doorpost, but I seriously must have had an ignorant moment and really thought Sherpa's were hearders of Yaks.
So when Randibear made that stmt. that was the visual that came to mind.
I am very sorry if it was offensive. Please try to understand where I was coming from. Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Notsosublyme,
Thank you, that's is exactly what I was thinking. That's exactly what I thought they were.
I feel horrible and stupid at the same time. You must have posted your post when I was writing mine.
I am just happy that someone else understood where I was coming and realized what I meant by that visual.
thanks, Elizabeth
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Martin,
I am a very sensitive person and just wanted you to know that it would kill me if I hurt you or anyone else. I was taught that Sherpa's were ppl who carried heavy loads and hearded. See the following definition. I hope this helps to explain.... Thank you for educating me.
"For a foreigner, a Sherpa means someone who carries loads at high altitudes. But Sherpas are actually all Tibetans. They are called 'People from the East. ...
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Or we have to start taking ourselves more seriously. This was not a preemptive American post, Martin. Save the animosity.
[ 21. November 2008, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Lymeorsomething ]
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
I'm sorry but this thread has turned absolutely hilarious to me!! I mean I'm sitting at the computer LMAO!
I'm engaged to a "big hairy furry American"...call me weird but I find him to be quite sexy
So I wouldn't be offended at all by that sort of comment! But that's just me...
Lauren
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
If getting crapped on is funny, then I suppose you're right Posted by MartinJS (Member # 15473) on :
Elizabeth, thank you for your posts, PM sent.
Unfortunately "Lymeorsomething" needs an attitude-adjustment badly. In Elizabeth's earlier post she said: " I just can't stop picturing big, hairy fury Sherpas lugging Mangosteens in their saddle bags through the likes of Southeast Asia."
Sherpas are no where near Southeast Asia--the Himalayas are north of the Indian subcontinent. Perhaps Lymeorsomething needs a geography lesson along with their AA.
Lymeorsomething, there's nothing funny about flippant remarks about other races/cultures (even inadvertently) over the internet where everyone can see. At least those were the forum rules the last time I looked.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
hey it was most definitely not intended to be offensive.
the term "guys" is an american slang....and i honestly can't remember the name of the animals i've seen in the travel shows.
wow, i am soooo very sorry.
if you think i was rude and offensive, geezzz,,,,
ya'll lighten up...honestly...
ok, i'm done, kaput, over, ....
wow....
of all the people on this board, i'm sure you would realize that to call me down for being offensive is beyond me, simply, beyond me....
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by MartinJS: There's/ nothing funny about bashing other races. Sherpas are an ethnic group from the most mountainous regions of Nepal and are highly regarded as elite mountaineers and experts in their local terrain.
I wasn't bashing them at all! I think they're great!
NMN said something about sherpas harvesting the fruit. Kinda hard when the fruit is grown in Thailand, etc.
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Martin you have selective reading skills. I was referring to the Anti-Americanism of MNM's post. I did not say ONE word about Sherpas.
None of this was started by an American poster.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
i didn't bring my dog to this fight..
er, i better quit, before lou bans me......
besides, hubbie says when i get angry my accent gets so bad NOBODY can understand me...ya'll.....
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Haha Randi! You ought to hear my Southern accent!! I'd probably give you some competition!
Lauren
Posted by lymeloco (Member # 7192) on :
You can buy a Mango and get the same results. I myself can't afford the juice, so eat the fruit and get the same result. If you eat what your suppose too, then there is no need for all the supplements you take.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
I agree. The moderators should shut down this post as its getting a bit ridiculous all be it hilarious. LOL
Lymetoo I am well aware of were the fruit is grown I have spent 3 years travelling (mostly in asia and the pacific) and have actually met some sherpas.
I used them in my little imaginary story as they are well known to be the best trekkers in the world.
In hindsight I am not sure they would fancy the heat now that I think about it. LOL
As one person mentioned you really should not take yourselves so seriously. Anti-americanism...pleeeasssee!! Your clutching at straws now. Something tells me you have lived very sheltered life.
I have several family members who are American citizens and I don't think they would see anything that I said as being insulting.
In fact I think they would find it pretty hilarious how up tight you are getting over an over priced juice.
You can look through my posting history and see I commented several times congratulating the US on their appointment of Obama. Don't try deferring away from the topic by trying to paint me as a bigot.
liesandmorelies - Said "One thing to consider is that Mangosteens are not as available as lets say apples and oranges are in the states. In fact in this area it's a much more exotic fruit.
I am currently paying $4 for a half a gallon of orange juice(oranges are very plentiful here). So I really don't think that $17 for 32 ounces is that out of whack when you consider where they are shipping it in from".
I live in Dublin Ireland, I pay about 2 $ for a pineapple that is flown all the way from queensland Australia, Our Kiwis and some apples come from New Zealand etc.
There is no logic in what your saying in this modern era, logisitics has nothing to do with it.
On Xango's website today they are charging 37.50$ per bottle, that is BS admit it.
You are lucky to be able to grow pomegranates in your back garden. Makes it sound even more silly that you would buy mangosteen instead.
Donegal is 5 hours away from Dublin, Geography is probably not your strong point I would guess. Beautiful county, highly recommend a a visit.
I think some of you should take your little linch mob and put it to better use. Like putting pressure on your state politicians about lyme so people can get proper Abx tx, instead of marketing an overpriced bottle of juice.
Like I said. You are boring me now. I would delete this thread but I think there is some great points in it (mostly from me*lol*) and I would like it to be available to others in the search engine.
[ 22. November 2008, 01:26 AM: Message edited by: NMN ]
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
NMN, I see you rolled out of bed again. Your points are valid. However, there's no reason to make asinine generalizations about an entire country.
I'm basically a dual Irish citizen so don't make me come back to the old sod and smack you around Dalymount Park Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
I'm married to an irishman and he thinks NMN has been playing too long in the four leaf clovers. Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
NMN,
Thank you for insulting me by telling me that I am not logical and that I am silly...
The question isn't what the price of pineapple is in Ireland, it's what the price of a Pineapple would be in Ireland if it were grown in Ireland?????
I made a comparison between oranges which are grown locally and speculated as to the addtional cost of a fruit grown half way around the world, and that would be assuming that demand for each were the same. We both know that the demand for oranges and pineapple for that matter is far greater than Mangosteens, now don't we?????? So, you left out a very important part of the equation, the part about "DEMAND".
Also, in regards to "SUPPLY". Mangosteens are much rarer and can only be grown in very particular situations. There is only a few degrees lattitude from the equator that they can grow and only in particular regions.
PS: I do drink the lovely pomegranite juice too!!!! So who feels silly and illogical now?
PSS: FYI Mangosteen and Mango are a different fruit. I love Mango and it is somewhat available here in California(still somewhat expensive though)
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
My DEMAND for fresh mangosteens is huge. If only I had some. They are my all time favorite fruit and I have not had a fresh one as I mentioned before since 2005.
I wonder how well they ship?
I think NMN has a mangosteen juice factory in Asia and this is his strange way of advertising the benefits.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
Angelica,
LOL LOL
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Then again he may not even be in Asia. He could still be hanging around the bogs of Ireland using his neighbors Wi-Fi connection to harass innocent Lymies. You never know.
Maybe he is the Wizard of Peat Bog and we need Toto to expose him either that or we might have to call Interpol pretty soon if my DEMAND for fresh mangosteens gets any worse.
Posted by not so sublime lyme (Member # 15185) on :
I think we need to go back to the discussion of hairy, furry Americans. My father was so hirsute that when we were on Fire Island as kids, my friend said my dad looked like he was wearing a mohair sweater with his bathing suit!
Ahhh, sweet memories...
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I'm thinking maybe 1/2 pint Mangosteen and a 1/2 pint Guinness...nothing quite like frothy, iron-fortified Guinnosteen. Hell, even NMN would spend $36 for that...
Posted by not so sublime lyme (Member # 15185) on :
You can never go wrong with Guiness!!!
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
I'm a "Heiny" lover myself. Heineken that is. Wanted to clarify myself, lest my words get misconstrued
I'd like to get back to the hairy, furry American thing too
Lauren
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
you'll are going to get into trouble.
now behave yourselves....
personally, i'm a beck person...
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
I will test mangosteen on blood, and if I get a favorable response I will take it internally and get back you alls.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Good morning my little Shmangosteen addicts
Angelica your comments gave me a chuckle. It reminded me of someone who has watched "Darby O'Gill and the little people" one too many times and now thinks it is real. Heres a link to bring you back to reality.
As for "harassing innocent Lymies". This is a debate about mangosteen juice (Xango to be precise), so let me remind you that I am suffering as much as the next person with this disease so don't go forgetting that. It does not mean I have to agree with all of you about everything.
And a word of advice. I never refer to myself as a Lymie, In my opinion it empowers the disease and will only have a negative effect on your recovery. I am not a disease and neither are you.
lymeorsomething - I would never mess with the black stuff. Its just fine as it is.
Now I think we can all at least agree on one thing. That Xango charging 37.50 for a bottle of juice that has very little science behind it, is blatant profiteering plain an simple. I want to hear you say it. Just so I know there is at least a shred of sanity left in this forum.
That question was directed at the ones who do not work for Xango of course.
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
My keets are starting to form a swarm due to your overuse of message icons.
Are we all suppose to think the way you do in order to make your world happy because that would be like trying to herd cats and it is not going to happen anytime soon on this forum.
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
Hey NMN looks like your not gonna be buying the Mangosteen or the Bionic 880 Course then!!!!!!
Mind you like you I probably agree that sticking my head up a Donkies A** would have a better effect than the above mentioned
Rianna
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
1: Fitoterapia. 2008 Nov 5. [Epub ahead of print]
Antibacterial Activity of Thai Medicinal Plants against Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus.Chomnawang MT, Surassmo S, Wongsariya K, Bunyapraphatsara N.
Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Pharmacy, Mahidol University, Bangkok, Thailand.
Methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is a major nosocomial pathogen which causes severe morbidity and mortality worldwide.
Seventeen Thai medicinal plants were investigated for their activity against MRSA. Garcinia mangostana was identified as the most potent plant, and its activity was traced to the prenylated xanthone, alpha-mangostin (MIC and MBC values of 1.95 and 3.91 microg/ml, respectively).
PMID: 19022354 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Medicinal properties of mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana).Pedraza-Chaverri J, C�rdenas-Rodr�guez N, Orozco-Ibarra M, P�rez-Rojas JM.
Facultad de Qu�mica, Departamento de Biolog�a, Universidad Nacional Aut�noma de M�xico, Ciudad Universitaria, 04510 Mexico, DF, Mexico. [email protected]
Many tropical plants have interesting biological activities with potential therapeutic applications.
Garcinia mangostana Linn. (GML) belongs to the family of Guttiferae and is named "the queen of fruits".
It is cultivated in the tropical rainforest of some Southeast Asian nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Philippines, and Thailand.
People in these countries have used the pericarp (peel, rind, hull or ripe) of GML as a traditional medicine for the treatment of abdominal pain, diarrhea, dysentery, infected wound, suppuration, and chronic ulcer.
Experimental studies have demonstrated that extracts of GML have antioxidant, antitumoral, antiallergic, anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, and antiviral activities. The pericarp of GML is a source of xanthones and other bioactive substances.
Prenylated xanthones isolated from GML have been extensively studied; some members of these compounds possess antioxidant, antitumoral, antiallergic, anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral properties.
Xanthones have been isolated from pericarp, whole fruit, heartwood, and leaves. The most studied xanthones are alpha-, beta-, and gamma-mangostins, garcinone E, 8-deoxygartanin, and gartanin.
The aim of this review is to summarize findings of beneficial properties of GML's extracts and xanthones isolated from this plant so far.
PMID: 18725264 [PubMed - in process]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
1: J Nat Prod. 2008 Jul;71(7):1161-6. Epub 2008 Jun 18.
Xanthones from the botanical dietary supplement mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana) with aromatase inhibitory activity.Balunas MJ, Su B,
Brueggemeier RW, Kinghorn AD. Department of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy, Program for Collaborative Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences, College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, Illinois 60612, USA.
Twelve xanthone constituents of the botanical dietary supplement mangosteen (the pericarp of Garcinia mangostana) were screened using a noncellular, enzyme-based microsomal aromatase inhibition assay.
Of these compounds, garcinone D (3), garcinone E (5), alpha-mangostin (8), and gamma-mangostin (9) exhibited dose-dependent inhibitory activity.
In a follow-up cell-based assay using SK-BR-3 breast cancer cells that express high levels of aromatase, the most potent of these four xanthones was gamma-mangostin (9).
Because xanthones may be consumed in substantial amounts from commercially available mangosteen products, the consequences of frequent intake of mangosteen botanical dietary supplements require further investigation to determine their possible role in breast cancer chemoprevention.
PMID: 18558747 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
1: J Asian Nat Prod Res. 2008 May-Jun;10(5-6):475-9.
Garcinia mangostana: a source of potential anti-cancer lead compounds against CEM-SS cell line.Ee GC, Daud S, Izzaddin SA, Rahmani M.
Chemistry Department, Universiti Putra Malaysia, Serdang, Selangor, Malaysia. [email protected]
Our current interest in searching for natural anti-cancer lead compounds from plants has led us to the discovery that the stem and roots of Garcinia mangostana can be a source of such compounds.
The stem furnished 2,8-dihydroxy-6-methoxy-5-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)-xanthone (1), which is a new xanthone.
Meanwhile, the root bark of the plant furnished six xanthones, namely alpha-mangostin (2), beta-mangostin (3), gamma-mangostin (4), garcinone D (5), mangostanol (6), and gartanin (7).
The hexane and chloroform extracts of the root bark of G. mangostana as well as the hexane extract of the stem bark were found to be active against the CEM-SS cell line. gamma-Mangostin (4) showed good activity with a very low IC(50) value of 4.7 microg/ml, while alpha-mangostin (2), mangostanol (6), and garcinone D (5) showed significant activities with IC(50) values of 5.5, 9.6, and 3.2 microg/ml, respectively.
This is the first report on the cytotoxicity of the extracts of the stem and root bark of G. mangostana and of alpha-mangostin, mangostanol, and garcinone D against the CEM-SS cell line.
PMID: 18464091 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Wish I had a copy of the full article on this one. I'd like to know if they can really trace this to the use of mangosteen.
I've seen other articles written about supplements where they claim something caused a problem but when looking at the full history of the patient, it sometimes looks like it could be a number of things that caused the problem.
Not certain as to the accuracy of this but wanted to post it just so those using the juice would be aware.
Am J Kidney Dis. 2008 May;51(5):829-33. Epub 2008 Mar 25.
Severe lactic acidosis associated with juice of the mangosteen fruit Garcinia mangostana.Wong LP, Klemmer PJ.
Minor and James Medical, Seattle, WA; Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, WA 98104, USA. [email protected]
The tropical mangosteen fruit has long been prized in Southeast Asia for its traditional healing properties. Mangosteen fruit juice is now available in the United States and marketed for its purported health benefits.
We describe a case of severe lactic acidosis associated with the use of mangosteen juice as a dietary supplement.
PMID: 18436094 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
1: J Toxicol Sci. 2007 Dec;32(5):571-4. Links Inhibitory effects of xanthone on paraquat- and NaNO(2)-induced genotoxicity in cultured cells.Tanaka R.
The inhibitory effects of xanthone on genotoxicity induced by paraquat and NaNO(2) in cultured Chinese hamster lung (CHL) cells were examined.
Xanthone forms the central core of xanthones. Xanthones are present in mangosteen, which is widely used as health food because of its many pharmacological properties.
Paraquat (PQ, a superoxide anion generator) and NaNO(2) induce genotoxic effects, including sister chromatid exchange (SCE) and decreased cell cycle rate, in CHL cells.
Xanthone inhibited the genotoxic effects of PQ and NaNO(2) at concentrations of more than 5 microM. The present results suggested the potent antigenotoxic effects of xanthones in mangosteens.
PMID: 18198487 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Inflammation is a huge problem for me and for most lyme patients.
Anti-inflammatory activity of mangostins from Garcinia mangostana.Chen LG, Yang LL, Wang CC.
Graduate Institute of Biomedical and Biopharmaceutical Sciences, College of Life Sciences, National Chiayi University, 300 University Road, Chiayi 600, Taiwan, ROC.
The fruit hull of Garcinia mangostana Linn (Guttiferae) is used as an anti-inflammatory drug in Southeast Asia.
Two xanthones, alpha- and gamma-mangostins, were isolated from the fruit hull of G. mangostana, and both significantly inhibited nitric oxide (NO) and PGE(2) production from lipopolysaccharide (LPS)-stimulated RAW 264.7 cells.
The IC(50) values for the inhibition of NO production by alpha- and gamma-mangostins were 12.4 and 10.1 microM, respectively. After iNOS enzyme activity was stimulated by LPS for 12 h, treatment with either alpha- or gamma-mangostin at 5 microg/ml (12.2 and 12.6 microM, respectively) for 24 h did not significantly inhibit NO production.
The data show that the inhibitory activities of alpha- and gamma-mangostins are not due to direct inhibition of iNOS enzyme activity. On the other hand, expression of iNOS was inhibited by alpha- and gamma-mangostins in LPS-stimulated RAW 264.7 cells, but not by COX-2.
However, the level of PGE(2) production was reduced by the two xanthones. In an in vivo study, alpha-mangostin significantly inhibited mice carrageenan-induced paw edema.
In conclusion, alpha- and gamma-mangostins from G. mangostana are bioactive substances with anti-inflammatory effects.
PMID: 18029076 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
In my opinion, pro-inflammatory cytokines appear to be a significant issue in lyme patients.
1: Fitoterapia. 2007 Sep;78(6):401-8. Epub 2007 Jun 2.
Effect of Garcinia mangostana on inflammation caused by Propionibacterium acnes.
Chomnawang MT, Surassmo S, Nukoolkarn VS, Gritsanapan W.
Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Pharmacy, Mahidol University, Rachathevi, Bangkok, Thailand. [email protected]
The present study was aimed to investigate the activity of Thai medicinal plants on inflammation caused by Propionibacterium acnes in terms of free radical scavenging and cytokine reducing properties.
P. acnes have been recognized as pus-forming bacteria triggering an inflammation in acne.
Antioxidant activity was determined by DPPH scavenging and NBT reduction assay. The result showed that Garcinia mangostana possessed the most significant antioxidant activity and reduced reactive oxygen species production.
Houttuynia cordata, Eupatorium odoratum, and Senna alata had a moderate antioxidant effect. In addition,
Garcinia mangostana extracts could reduce the TNF-alpha production as determined by ELISA. Garcinia mangostana was highly effective in scavenging free radicals and was able to suppress the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines.
This study has identified the promising source of anti-inflammatory agent which could be useful in treatment of acne vulgaris.
PMID: 17644272 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
This may mean that mangosteen is helpful for babesia!
: Planta Med. 2006 Aug;72(10):912-6. Epub 2006 Aug 10.Links
Prenylated xanthones as potential antiplasmodial substances.
Mahabusarakam W, Kuaha K, Wilairat P, Taylor WC. Department of Chemistry, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkhla, Thailand. [email protected]
Mangostin, the major xanthone of Garcinia mangostana, and a series of synthetic derivatives were investigated for their in vitro antiplasmodial activity against Plasmodium falciparum.
Mangostin itself showed moderate activity, but prenylated xanthones containing alkylamino functional groups exhibited quite potent antiplasmodial activity.
Some structure-activity relationships are proposed.
PMID: 16902859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
I'm not sure but I think xango has the whole fruit. Also don't know how much of certain plant parts one needs to have this type of beneficial effect.
1: Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2003 Jul;51(7):857-9.
Antimycobacterial activity of prenylated xanthones from the fruits of Garcinia mangostana.Suksamrarn S, Suwannapoch N, Phakhodee W, Thanuhiranlert J, Ratananukul P, Chimnoi N, Suksamrarn A.
Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science, Srinakharinwirot University, Bangkok, Thailand. [email protected]
Prenylated xanthones, isolated from the fruit hulls and the edible arils and seeds of Garcinia mangostana, were tested for their antituberculosis potential.
Alpha- and beta-mangostins and garcinone B exhibited strong inhibitory effect against Mycobacterium tuberculosis with the minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) value of 6.25 microg/ml. Tri- and tetra-oxygenated xanthones with di-C5 units or with a C5 and a modified C5 groups are essential for high activities.
Substitution in the A and C rings has been shown to modify the bioactivity of the compounds.
PMID: 12843596 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
This is getting sick.
I am checking the scope with mangosteen powder right now...and NO, placing anything on blood DOES NOT KILL IT. Thats like saying placing anything in your morning cup of coffee (and I hope its one cup only-or water instead!) Perhaps cyanide, or maybe rat poison (waferen-not really poison BTW) or honey...and that it dont matter...ANYTHING will sweeten your coffee.
Running of the mouth again I see.
Smear quick check Result: Its only a quick check, so it may not hold much water, but it may debunk the notion that mangosteen is useless.
Smear quick check result: mangosteen placed on known infected blood which had lyme hatchlings in it in anther blood drop 15 mins ago, NO moving invaders, and there appeared to be possible die off due to increased amounts of blood trash in the viewer. I then added a small amount of max oxcide (my trick to pull out hiders still alive from red cells) NO moving invaders found.
Bunk that.
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
NMN,
qoute by NMN:
"I want to hear you say it. Just so I know there is at least a shred of sanity left in this forum."
WEll, NMN I am sorry for your sake that you believe the only sanity in humanity lies in the hands of those that agree with you. Again talk about "Mesmorized".
It's so cute in a toddler sort of way that you need us so badly to say that the Mangosteen is overpriced.
I just wish I could pinch your little cheek and tell you that it will be okay.
Please, no hard feelings as I think this thread has been beneficial on many levels and heck there has even been some of the best humor thrown in to boot.
Elizabeth
Posted by not so sublime lyme (Member # 15185) on :
Okay, I will say it...but I cannot vouch for my sanity! Thirty-seven dollars is a bit overpriced...they have Mangosteen juice in my local store probably for a lot less. (I'll have to check the exact price and report back.)
I, too, hate to see people taken advantage of by folks out to make money off of the ill. But I really don't know anything about Xango except that someone I know did get caught up in the MLM aspect and lost money she could not afford to.
But, if people can afford it, and believe it works for them...it's none of my business. It's small potatoes compared to some of these other expensive, unproven treatments.
I've been trying to make my own fruit smoothies with blueberries, etc., lately because I am not a big fruit eater. I might just add some mangosteen for a fun experiment. (Not Xango, though.)
BTW, I was in Dublin a few years ago and did the marathon there with 18 girlfriends. (I can't even walk around the block now, though). We rented a bus for ourselves and went all around the country...absolutely beautiful. We still all say it was simply the best time we ever had.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
I'm not absolutely positive but I think that most mangosteen products do not have the full fruit like xango does.
Based on the studies that I posted, seems like the full fruit may have benefits that the juice alone does not.
There are many more studies in pubmed than what I posted so I'm not sure why the original poster stated that there is little evidence to support mangosteen.
I'm not saying it is going to solve all your problems but it does have definite benefit for lyme patients as evidenced in some of the research I posted. I do know that my brother got some remarkable benefit from it.
I have never sold one bottle of mangosteen but I have purchased it at $25 per bottle + the cost of membership.
To each his own but when evaluating a product, I like to keep the info factual which includes looking at the research that IS out there.
Terry
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
quote:Originally posted by TerryK: This may mean that mangosteen is helpful for babesia!
: Planta Med. 2006 Aug;72(10):912-6. Epub 2006 Aug 10.Links
Prenylated xanthones as potential antiplasmodial substances.
Mahabusarakam W, Kuaha K, Wilairat P, Taylor WC. Department of Chemistry, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkhla, Thailand. [email protected]
Mangostin, the major xanthone of Garcinia mangostana, and a series of synthetic derivatives were investigated for their in vitro antiplasmodial activity against Plasmodium falciparum.
Mangostin itself showed moderate activity, but prenylated xanthones containing alkylamino functional groups exhibited quite potent antiplasmodial activity.
Some structure-activity relationships are proposed.
PMID: 16902859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Thanks Terry. You are a great researcher and I always read these abstracts with interest.
Sounds like the mangosteen had "moderate" activity, but their synthetic derivatives were even more "potent" against protozoans. I agree, it could be worth looking into for babesia treatment!
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
Holy moly people this is nuts!! It's JUICE!! I doubt it cures anything, but it's juice, so it can't be any worse then all the other supplements we take. It doesn't cost anymore then some of the supplements I buy.
So if it helps take it, if not, then move on!!
Kathy
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Chill people. You make mangosteen seem like crack. I honestly don't care if people are selling Mangosteen on this site. It doesn't mean I have to buy it.
Though I work full-time, I fully understand the need of those lymies who need to generate income in creative ways. If there is a market for it, go for it.
No one is selling crack to children here. If adults can't make informed decisions about fruit juice then that's their problem.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
dang right. nobody is putting a gun to my head and making me buy it.
like i said, it's my money, i'm way over the age of consent, so what if pay 25 or 37 or even 100....
i've thrown tons of money DOWN THE TOLIET trying to get something that works....so hey if i like it and want to pay that...fine...
and nobody, ever, ever on this board has forced anybody to buy xango, mango, noni, or whatever...
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Kathy - many medicines are based on plants. Mangosteen is a plant. In juice or some other form, I think the articles that are availble on pubmed speak for themselves. It does have some healing powers.
LymeEd - As I mentioned before, I don't sell mangosteen. I don't beleive anyone said it "cures" lyme disease. It likely does have benefit for lyme patients due to it's anit-inflammatory effect. Please read the studies that I posted.
Many LLMD's use treatments that work on malaria to treat babesia thus it *may* end up having an effect on babesia.
Apparently it does work on some bacteria but I haven't seen any specific studies on lyme and mangosteen. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. I just don't know if it does or not.
I don't understand all the effects of mangosteen and neither does anyone else at this time but I try to open my mind to anything that might be useful in our battle against this awful disease.
Thanks Vermont - glad you found the info useful. There is more on pubmed that looks interesting.
Terry
Posted by Angelica (Member # 15601) on :
Mangosteen may help some people but regardless no one should be selling anything on this site it is against the rules. Nor should they be sending people PMs saying they sell juice or vitamins off of this site. End of story.
I can understand being sick and having a limited income but that does not make it right nor is it an excuse. If they want to sell anything they can get their own website for that purpose.
This website is for people to share information about Lyme disease not for having Tupperware or MLM parties.
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Unsolicited PMs about products are unacceptable. To be honest, I haven't seen any overt posts or PMs advertising or selling products. However, solicited PMs about products are not necessarily anyone's business.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
i see absolutely nothing wrong with people corresponding privately about what works for them and what doesn't....
and if they want to work a deal between themselves and sending whatever, it's not on public discussion. it's purely a private matter.
so you're saying that if i decide to mail someone a care package with vitamins or supplements, books, whatever, that might help, it's wrong? not in my book....
i do what little i can to help other lymies and if it's done privately, then, hey, no harm done, and we're not wasting time on this very public board.
i'm not sure what the rules are regarding private correspondence but if someone gives their other email address or not, it doesn't matter.
it's between two consenting adults.....
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I'd have to agree, Bear.
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
I totally agree with Randi...we're all grown here, and I personally have never had someone - anyone - try and sell me anything on this sight. Not Mangosteen or anything else. And if they did, who cares? If it was something I was intersested in I would buy it...if not then I wouldn't - end of story!
Lauren
Posted by Meg (Member # 22) on :
Sounds like the stuff sells itself. I see no adds or information on where to buy it here.
I've spoken online and off with TuTu. She's never in these 7 years ever spoken to me about the stuff, ever.
The only reason I know Lymetoo sells it is by reading posts like THIS one.
....and for those slinging arrows of inclusion, I don't sell it, receive any kickbacks, use it, or endorse it.
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
Thanks Elizabeth...Its nice that you find me so cute. I have been called worse.
I don't take anything on here personally. Its all in the spirit of a good debate. Its mostly tongue in cheek of course
I think this thread had far more mileage than anyone expected. Kept me very amused. Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I think we're flogging a dead Yak here but it's still fun Posted by Lou B (Member # 64) on :
Yes, you're all flogging a dead yak and ... I'm closing this Topic ... enough!
Let's move on to Lyme victims helping Lyme victims ... that's what the LymeNet Flash is all about, not beating up other users based on the merits or detriments of a given supplement ... OK?
Take care,
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