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Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hello everyone.

I am starting the new post today for us that have started the protocol and put down the items I feel would help us all know where we are in the therapy and what we are using etc

I would love to get the same feedback from others to start and then ongoing if it changes and check in on certain days or weeks etc on how it is going for you.

THANKS for being there and participating and I hope all great wellness forward.

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly

CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 2 -Adding the new Salt and C on Day 1 I feel like a herx hit me and I feel painful and achy and flu today. But not too horrible as I am up and around this afternoon and I usually stay in bed all day on a severe herx.

(as you all must read in the other post I did have a couple days headstart on kosher and vitamin emergency packs and did feel great for those 3 days prior to today. But will consider yesterday my day two since I bought the correct items yesterday and took them last night )

[ 04. December 2008, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Guard your kidneys!!! [shake]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
It's okay TuTu, [Wink]

we are all being careful. Salt and VitC are water soluble which means that drinking at least an equal amount of water will flush the kidneys and any infection that's sitting there as well.

Sammy1 has been in touch with over 500 people personaly by e-mail and they all are the road to recovery and have done quite well.

Hope you are feeling better,

Posted by Kingneptune11 (Member # 17751) on :
DebAZ, Glm.......thanks for getting this started.....I will start posting later this week once I get to the nutrition store.....I have company until Friday.....ugh

Should be up and running by Saturday.....

Hope everyone is staying warm, we are getting some cold weather here in Illinois.....
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :

It's important to first get blood tests to be certain kidney function is adequate to do this. Reading all about salt - from a variety of medical literature sources is a good thing, too.

And, please, be sure to keep your doctors in the loop.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey there..I wondered when you were planning on joining..Maybe it will end up me and you only that are just starting.. I will keep an eye out for you... Deb..
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Thanks for your concern keebler.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Yes Thanks Keebler for your concern and warnings.
I will tell you I have read every post no matter what the view to stay educated.

THANKS for your contribution and taking the time to post items we all learn from.

Good Health and Happiness

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Please Post NEW Information and Comments on the PROTOCOL on the Thread:

Topic: Vitamin C/Salt Who is doing it> I am starting

And on this thread we are going to post our progress as those starting or on the protocol itself.

I hope that is ok with everyone and I hope that it can work out that way..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 3 - Feeling pretty good today . Not great but not a Herx type day. . MIDDLE GROUND What I call Level 2 type of day. See below

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly

How I rate days..
I usually use 3 words as of now to rate days and working on 4th.

1 = Herxing -In bed all day for the most part

2- Middle ground -where I am up by noon and get about 6 hours in that I am up.

3 - Good -day where I am up before noon and I have about 6-12 hours i am up and around.> low energy but up out of the bed

4 - Very Good- not only be up and about but to start getting energy to do things and to be productive.

5 - Great -feeling close to Normal again, still have many symptoms to manage and can think of working part time maybe

6. Last goal and I still hope to feel NORMAL one day.!!
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
The topic here is


It is for those of us using this protocol to give feedback to others on our experiences and progress.

While all comments, concerns and warnings are welcome and encouraged please use another thread.

Thank you

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
ADDITION TO my report

I wanted to add that I had to take my ABX Ketek yesterday and that typically means I am quite sick the next day.

But I am not.?>? That is great news for me...
I am very happy about that and I was nervous taking it last night.

Each MWF I have to take the KETEK and I am going to continue that until I talk to my doctor of feel I do not want to. Not sure yet.

Anyway.. I am thrilled about it and I do not know if it has anything to do with what I added or not.

Time will tell.


Looking forward to others posts.
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
I more than a week ago with 1/8tsp salt and equal C mg.

First week Chills that went away quickly and that no longer happened after a week.

3 days ago started 1/4 tsp. I feel better after I take it. Kinda like a small surge of better.

Right now for me it's hard to say if it's my pain meds or the salt that are making me so tired.

Head hurts but it the pain level changes everyday anyway.

What I do know is that I have never tried Himalayn salt before this and now I crave it all day.

I think I need the minerals.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey .> Fancy Thanks

I started asking a bunch of questions and realized they are all in the little chart I made..

Well maybe you can just cut and paste my little chart instead of me asking all this.. Would you? THANKS..
Below is the chart and if you could put your answers next to the the items below and cut and paste this into your reply.. That would be awesome!!

KIND of C :
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Thanks, glm!
Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
the herxes? well, they suck. they vary from emotional and thinking this is NOT working to physical with swollen lymph nodes and fever, muscle aches, headaches, you name it.

i herx right on schedule once every 4-5 weeks and the herx lasts 5-12 days.

they stink and really hurt and soooo many people decide the protocol isn't working when they are going through a herx and stop taking the salt c.

but if you are herxing it means you are getting better.

buy the ebook at lymestrategies it is worth its weight in gold. i still refer to it.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Sammy just says it all so well. I couldn't have put it any better. Not to sound like I am coping out of putting my 2 cents in.

The herxes are tough because they seem to be really magnified. I herxed every day since I started 2 yrs ago.

The internal vibrations never stopped. The pain was relentless, and the brain fog wouldn't leave. I never backed off the salt/c maybe that's why.

Sammys experience seems to be a little different in that she could regognize the cycles.

After almost exactly 2 yrs (Nov 2006) I am finally seeing a clearing.

The brain fog is lifting, the vibrations and pain is calming down and I can feel the infection leaving me.

I posted a detailed not so pretty picture of what came out of me on the original salt/c thread if you want to see it.

Hope this helps paint a clearer picture of the herxes.


The parasitologist who developed the salt/c protocol says it can take 2-4 yrs to get rid of depending on how long you have had it. I have been sick for over 30+ yrs.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
hey.. So you saw bugs and paraasite coming out within days>>
Would if you do not see any ./ ?? Wow yours are intense descriptions in size and length etc.. I think i would freak a bit but it helps me be prepared hearing your story.> Wowers... for sure.

Glad you seeing some light>!
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Here is Gaels Post about Protocol experience.

Hi Guys,

As requested, I will do my best to give you the details of what took place over the last 2 1/2 yrs since I started the salt/c.

Going back 2 yrs trying to remember sequencing of things since I started the salt/c can be a little vague.

This I do remember.I was taking strong Chinese and South American antiparasitic herbs for 6 months starting in mid 2005.

I was having severe internal vibrations, (like a riveting machine) tachycardia, bad brain fog and severe burning pain thru my body. All the other aches and pains associated with Lyme & co.

I decided to start the salt/c while on the herbs and 2 days later, all hell broke loose. Approx May 2006.

( I also do clear water enemas) I take coconut oil and lots of kefir/yogurt and probiotics. That's it.

Everything that you see on the lymephotos site came pouring out of me including very large ascaris worms 18-20" Other filarial worms(looked like colored sewing thread(eggshell blue) came out of my scalp, my mouth.

Microscopic worms came out of my eyes,and nose.(Occurring over months)Horse hair worm,(8") and filarial worms and creatures I couldn't identify as well as hundreds of eggs.

This die off has been occurring intermitently over the last 2 yrs. It is still occurring but not as massive of an exodus.

I can't really explain why these herxes are so severe other than to say everything is really intensified.

I have not missed a single dose of salt/c. I also have had a lot of emotional herxes as well. A lot of heavy crying.

This might be too much info, but this is my experience. I have seen other people post the same info that have done the salt/c.

I posted some peoples experiences a few posts back. SALTYDOG member #6253(sept 21st)........FITSTICK member # 6812.......PHIL RICH member # 6817. I have seen GiGi post similar info.

No, this is not what is referred to as Morgellons. 97% of people who think they have Morgellons have been diagnosed with Lyme.

I believe they are one and the same. Burgdorfer found adult FILARIAL WORMS in the ticks and as an aside found spirochetes. These worms are also producing bacteria.

A lot of people want to stay in denial and think they are just chasing borrellia and other bacteria.

I think that is why antibiotics are not the sole answer and why people relapse. I am still on salt/c and getting rid of stuff daily.

I am definitely seeing a light and feeling a lot better. Pain almost gone. Brain fog lifting,vibrations are still there but slight.

I have been sick for over 30 yrs, and I think the longer you are sick with this the longer it takes to get rid of.

There is no doubt I needed antibiotics in the beginning, but antibiotics can't get rid of worms and parasites.

I hope this is the info you wanted to know. Sorry Deb I couldn't quite get it into the format you suggested.

Peace & Light everyone,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
hey guys .
I need some advice. It just dawned on me i might be contradicting my therapy.

I do not know if you remember me saying I take Chostymine as well. Ok.

I take the Vitamin C Salt 30 minutes after my meds in am and pm. Then i drink my cholestrymine 30 minutes later.

Well cholestymine is known to have a binding type mechanism and will take out toxins and absorb stuff in your intestines so that it does not reabsorb.

But do you think that taking it 30 minutes *that close* afterward might be too close and it is affecting the Salt C that i drank 30 minutes prior???

I at first did not think so.. But i was second guessing myself today. what are your thoughts on this.

Would appreciate another mind and minds as Mind is so foggy and tired. I can not think that clearly ..right now.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Do you have high cholestral Deb? I like to space things out. If it were me, i would wait an hour before taking anything.

BTW, I didn't mean to scare anyone with my descriptive post . It probably sound worse than it is.

I did see the same info in some old posts and also some info GiGi posted about some friends of hers that had this happen to them.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
No I do not have high Cholestrol. I am taking the cholestrymine for the binding agent and it is on the Dr S and Dr T protocol.

Its in detail here. They are cool as they write out how to do it in steps like day one and day two and what to buy and how to take things exactly. I have taken some things out of that protcol as information that has helped me make my own but I do not follow it exactly as they layed out. It is for Lyme patients as well as anyone who has nuerotoxins which includes many ill people

The timing around Cholestrymine is an issue if you read the treatment protocol

As well hey.. Only two people have told me that you should take your thryoid medicine ALONE before in the am before any other meds.

Do other people besides me do this and are told to do this>??
The two people are my doctor and my second doctor.. LOL
And Dr T too... and Dr S say it in their protocol details.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I am a little confused. Did your LLMD put you on this? Is he following the Dr. S and Dr T protocol?

I personally am not comfortable with anything that causes constipation. I understand the principal, just think there would be something more natural to do this.

I am not even crazy about the binding earth clays. The other dr mentions the vit c flush and alkalizing.

Well, the sea salt is alkalizing which will kill the bacteria and the vit c flushes out the toxins. I think that is all you might need. What do you think?

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Something to ponder..
Well he did prescribe it but it was after me asking for it because I had a mold exposure episode where I tore my shower out and it was all moldy in the back and I broke out in spores all over my bad and hips etc and it was so painful.
I had read about the cholestrymine therapy for that as well as other things...
The mold story is another story and it is rectified.. I am hoping.

But as well I then was using it to help my herxes not be as intense and would take it in the middle of the night as I was on Mepron at the time 4 times a day and it helped.

So i stayed on it for that reason.
And I like the idea of the toxins being grabbed before they have a chance to reabsorb back into the system as it is trying to move on out. It is like a double check and helper to get them out,

And I like using it because of that and It does feel as if it has been working for me that way and I did not want to stop it just becuase of starting the salt thing.

I just was thinking outloud that I may be taking them too
close together..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 4 - Its a middle ground day today again. Not feeling any better and not any worse. Not herxing too badly but some. Not seeing any bugs or parasites coming out of me and not seeing anything different at all really. Some shooting sharp pains in joints I noticed since I started. Not sure if it is related. But i do feel good when I drink the C Salt mixture and ecs after eating. Just feels like it changes the chemistry inside my gut . Besides that nothing to report.

Of course I will not report every day. And maybe weekly and monthly over time.. Would like to get at least a few of us talking at the same time and I know some are waiting awhile still to start.

I think I am already wanting to up the dosing because it feels as if I am taking nothing. I would like feedback on how often others went up in the dosages. Like an average timeframe...??


KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi There Deb,

I definetly upped the dosage when I didn't feel anything. I went from 1/4 tsp to 1/2. I upped it a quarter of a tsp at a time.

DRINK LOTS OF WATER. Also you are very tall and it goes by body weight so you could probably tolerate the increase very well.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
yeah thats why I put that note in there.. because i wanted people to know I may jump the dosage when I am feeling like and more maybe than someone else because I am big and weigh a lot.

I realize that also.. silly me was using my measuring spoons .. the ones that have all the sizes and swore the smallest one was 1/8
now i notice that it is not.. it is 1/4... yikes.

I drink about a gallon a day ... ... and I LOVE Water..
I have a huge cooler in the house and my kids all drink only water now too.

Maybe I will not have the bugs going on??
I do not know.

More time to tell I guess.


[ 24. December 2008, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
On that note..
I am taking a step up...tonight... I am sure I will find my spot and will need to level it out.. soon.

Just going to add 1/4 tsp to my evening dose.

[ 12. December 2008, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by Marya (Member # 18366) on :
I was diagnosed 9/28/08 and started on 100mg doxy 2X per day for 3 weeks. (I didn't know any better then.) Went off everything for two weeks -- went back to doc and put back on doxy. Started doing research and started the Salt/C while looking for a Lyme Literate doc.

I found a doc, started abx but do not want to give up the Salt/C.

After I started the Salt/C I herxed for about 4 days. Then felt a little better for about a week. Then I started the abx. 3 days after I started the abx I herxed again -- horrible -- noise sensitivity, muscle and joint pain. Now I just feel like I am 90 years old all the time.

I am looking forward to hearing everyone's story. I like the idea of something as simple as Salt/C working -- but am still curious about the effectiveness against different types of bacteria and parasites.

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C: Solgar 500mg capsules
AMOUNT STARTED : 1tsp salt and 3 grams C (I am 5'10"ft tall and 200lbs)
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 3x per day early AM, noon, and bedtime I take abx mid morning and at dinner
PILLS OR LIQUID : I mix salt in lemon or lime juice and water - sometimes tomato or organic veggy cocktail and C capsules
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.

Also, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Marya, Welcome!

Have you read the info on I find it very informative and have read it many times. I always find info I didn't notice.

The salt/c is supposed to be effective against Lyme & co. Keep us posted.

Thanx, Gael
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Marya..
Wow that is very informative and thank you for taking the time to fill out my little chart.> LOL> But it sure helps to see and bring it al together and see what your doing..
I want to clarify one things.. You said 1 tsp salt.. and then said you take it 3x a day.. So does that mean you take 1 tsp each of the 3x or do you take 1/3 tsp each of the 3x a day.?

I am trying to figure out some dosing right now.

As well I hope your doing well and think that it is helping.
your taking a of abx too.

i have so far seen not much in terms of herxing but I have noticed for some reason I am not herxing as much from my abx far but am not sure if there is a relation.

Never know but i am watching closely what is going on.

I many make a daily log chart for myself which I have done before at times ...
That keeps track of what I am taking and my pain level and herx level and symptoms etc.

Then I use that to report to the doctors.. too.
It is a lot of work though.> Ugggg

THANKS again for joining the post and sharing>!!
Love it.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Just thought I would help clarify dosage for you. (1tsp = 5 gms (grams) (1 gm = 1,000mg)milligrams)

so if you take 1/4 tsp 4x day you would be taking 1tsp or 5gms.

I personaly think it is easier to increase 1/4tsp at a time.....easier to keep track. I hope this is clear and makes some sense for you.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
ARE YOU SURE THAT'S IT? [bonk] [lol]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

[ 12. December 2008, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Thanks for sharing your experience. I like the detail GLM. I won't think I'm loosing my mind or mabe I will.

KIND OF SALT : Himalayan Salt from Rose Mountain Herbs

KIND OF C : Natrol Ester C Powdered
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/8 tsp. 12/1 Now 1/4 tsp a day
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: Not split yet
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I just wanted to mention about the biofilm. I see a lot of biofilm in the toilet carrying colonies of bacteria.

So what that says to me is that the salt/c is efective against the biofilm. Hope everyone is doing okay today, Gael [Wink]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Took my regular salt/c dose. Herxing not too bad. Hope everyone is feeling okay this evening,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

Herxing day. In bed all day and just got up for a little soup. I guess not as bad as my most severe herx or i would NEVER have been on here saying a word.. But I will be back to bed here in the next hour or two.. I am just watching tv and trying to get some liquids in. I had taken my ABX yesterday as well for the 3rd time this week and that usually does make for bad saturdays. Not sure still if it is the salt or not. To be honest. This is normal for me. But time again will tell.
Hello to all..DEB.

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly

[ 12. December 2008, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Just so you know. I am also drinking at LEAST 1 gallon of water a day while doing this... and always have... and now ok more than a gallon!..

And thats all i drink besides some hot tea sometimes...

Good stuff.

I love it.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
DAY 5 > NIGHT Update

I just realized that it is due for that time of the month and i always feel so horrible the day or or before and during the next few days of my period.. My head has been pounding during the last hours and it reminded me..

I lose track of the dates and time.. lots since being ill..

So i think I am not really herxing like I thought and honestly i know for sure because first thing this morning I was not feeling that horrible as i was up taking my first doses of meds like thyroid etc.. and after I ended up taking my other meds and drinking my c salt stuff... One hour between each,.

Then i passed out... and never got up.. and now I got it figured out so.. I do not think my current daily update
has anything to do with the salt c issue really..

So time will tell and I can not count this as a Salt C herx...

Not as of yet..

Just wanted to clarify...

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Just checking to see how everyone is doing. [hi]
Posted by sunnymalibu (Member # 9586) on :
I'm confused about the doses people are taking. It sounds like some are taking 3/4 tsp. salt total for the day, taken 1/4, 1/4 and 1/4 tsp. and others are taking 1/2 tsp. salt in a..m. and 1/2 tsp. in the p.m.

How many grams of Vit. C total per day? My vit. c capsules are 1 gram each. All powdered Vit. c is not created equally. Thanks!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
It all depends when they started the salt/c. That's why everyone is on a different dose.

I started with 1/4 tsp salt to 1/4 tsp vitc. Everyone increases at their own pace.

Generally increments of 1/4 tsp at a time is acceptable. 1 tsp(teaspoon)salt = 5,000mg

1,000mg(milligrams is equal to 1 gm(gram)

So if you are taking vitc capsules that are 1,000mg you can take 1/4tsp salt which is a little over 1000 mg.

I use a powder ester c with bioflavinoids by Natrol. Makes it easier. Mixed in a large 8 oz glass of water.

I always drink another glass or two of water with it. Very important to drink a lot of water.

The best way to do this protocol is to pace not race and listen to your body.

Ramp up slowly and be your own judge. I hope this answers your question.

Good Luck,

Posted by sunnymalibu (Member # 9586) on :
Gael- thank you for explaining this to me! So basically 1/5 tsp. salt to one gram Vit. C. Since it's hard to work with 1/5 tsp. of salt it's easier to work with 1/4 tsps. of salt, and use 1/4 tsp. salt to 1 gram vit. C., and extra water. Thank you very much!
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Today is nothing but pain. I am waiting on my period and i have had not a very good weekend at all.. OUCH really painful. I can not comment on the salt stuff right now and I am taking the weekend off from it and see if it is related. Trying to gain knowledge.. Not sure yet. Starting tommorrow I will back down one step though. I know I only was on this dosage of 3/4 for one day and It seemed to be my peak for now. i would rather be doing a bit less for now than push it.
Hope all is well. .Debbie.

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F week


1/4 tsp total
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C

[ 12. December 2008, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Awww Deb,

Sorry you are in so much pain and have had such a rough weekend. I hope things ease up for you, Gael [group hug]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hello. I am feeling quite better today. Whew . It was a HORRIBLE weekend. Trying to clear stuff out and took a detox bath and am taking it easy today still. Thanks Debbie

[ 12. December 2008, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
I'm still on 1/4 tsp a day. Experience Quick sharp pains in head and some body aches. Quick Sharp pains in my chest on each side.

Been awhile since I have had these symptoms.

I'll remain on the 1/4 tsp for a little while longer than up to a nite dose as well.

I'm glad you are feeling better deb.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

Sounds like you might be starting to herx. Don't forget to drink lots of water. Thanks for posting.

Keep In Touch

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Fancy and Gael
How are you doing.. Well I hope ok,.
It does sound like you might have some salt herx reaction..

Take a look at the article I posted and as well the others on the page. There is one here where someone who is on it and started it takes you through is journey and the herx feelings.

i so far have had the sharp pains through my joints and some kidney ache and I agree with this article on taking breaks if you do.. I have taken the weekend off.

Starting the Salt/C protocol

I sound a lot like the person in this article and will have to cycle or pulse this sort of therapy.

I have to do that with any ABX or orther treatments too...

I also believe it is good for you no matter what to let your body rest and regulate as well as give it time to do some clearing.,
I may not detox as well or fast as others and i think it bulds up in me and I have time..

[ 09. December 2008, 12:37 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Gael and Deb,

Hope you guys and everyone else is feeling good today.

Deb, I so appreciate all the information links you provide. Thank you!! I just looked at the last one and I'm so glad you posted that.

I wasn't really convinced I was herxing. I was hoping but not until I read your guys posts and the link didI believe I am.

How exciting. I can handle this so far. Other things I've tried were to hard on me.

I also have been experiencing heart palpatations and that also has not happened in a long time. They don't last long.

And last nite I started to feel a couple pin pricks, one on my thumb.

It was like a deep pain than pin prick sensation.

I looked down and there was red where the pain was and a little white bumb in the middle.

I thought mabe an insect bite but the deep pain didn't make sense.
I noticed one or two other pin prick sensations but didn't pay much attention to it.

Mabe it's the little buggers trying to get out!

My muscles are more fatigued than usual.

I did check my blood pressure yesterday and it's usually around 117/77 .

It was 128/79. It was after I went to the doctor which my blood pressure has been known to go up to 140/85 because I never know what to expect with doctor visits. I'll check the BP today too.

My Father has highblood pressure and heart disease. So I will take this very slow.

I'm glad you all are here!

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to check in. I am on this protocol for 2yrs and can see and feel the infection leaving.

Three yrs ago my hands were really swollen and red with cuts all over them.

The redness and swelling are almost gone as the infection is leaving the small intestine. I am not experiencing any more cuts on my hands.

My brain fog which was one of my biggest symptoms is finally clearing. The burning pain is only slight. I am on 15-20gms of salt/c a day.

Hopefully this will continue. Waiting to see how everyone else is doing today.

Peace & Light,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hello. I am feeling pretty good today> i would say it is a 3 out of 5. Even almost near a 4 and I would say 3.5 lol.

I was feeling a clearing today and I took my salt and it feel good to take. I am going to be interested in how the week goes and if it is like the first week and maybe It will build up by friday to feel not so good again

I did start my period finally today and that was buidling and a few days delayed and that made it hard for me as itis always a tougher time each month. Even saying that ..

Today is not too bad ,. and i now just feel the extra painful cramps. the whole weekend I was just so feeling aweful .

So I will be honest and I can not yet tell what the salt is affecting for sure and or not and i will need more time to evaluate and then look back and make some connections.

KNow what I mean>>
I know you all do.

I am glad the articles helped. They helped me too..! Great.! Glad your tolerating it ok but still see and feel it is doing something..
Will keep in touch ... for sure.. and always looking for everyone elses comments too.

There was a couple people on here I think that said they would be doing this that I have not seen.. I wonder if they will be back..'We will see.. It helps for sure to hear from others.

Today is a good day and I am glad..
Funny that I say good. The word good for me is a 3 out of 5., When i say bad it is a 2 and horrible is a 1 and then 4 is great and 5 is like amazing like I have not felt in ages..

Its funny because when i say it i catch myself and think that others may think or relate that word to a normal person... And i am not near that yet.. but its a good day for me in comparison to my being sick on a level 1 or 2 and not so often 3 and rarely a 4 and never a 5...

Hope that makes sense.. I am sure it is hard to rate eachother or to know what eachother means as it is all relative to our own path and illness history etc.'

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly


1/4 tsp total
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C

[ 12. December 2008, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi fancy..

I also have blood pressure issues sometimes at the doctors office but then when i start double checking it like at the pharmacy or have it done at other times it is fine..

Same as you .. it goes up to like the most of 140 over 88 .. or something. and I go Gosh!!

Then when i research it I am just at around 128 over 78,

It is not usually low like some others on here but as well i am overweight and gained 60 lbs the first year i was sick and last year I dropped 10 of it finally.

Hoping that might be a good sign too and as well I started thryoid meds..

it all has to get back into balance and then I know it will come off. Diet and excercise are not enough and I have had a few months when I was doing somewhat better enough to walk or swim and really ate so well it was crazy and no weight comes off..

It is going to do it its own way.. and i can tell when i feel better my metabolism and all the hormones and all of me tries to start up like a dead car and sometimes I run for a few miles but I still die back out again.

I can not wait to take a long trip in the car and turn it off when i choose to.. (to sleep) LOL

Hope you got that analogy..


[ 09. December 2008, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

Yep, those little bumps can definitely be the parasites trying to escape the salt. That's what happened to me.

You might see little cuts appear. Don't be alarmed. The salt extracts infection just like if you soak an infected finger in salt.

They went up and back and finally came thru. It will be interesting to see what happens. Keep in touch,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

Hello. I am feeling very good today. i would say it is a 4 out of 5. Better than yesterday.. And I am on my period even!!!

Ok I am actually feeling like .. its a too good to be true day ecs after this weekend.. But here I am..

My pain level is down. My fatigue level is down. I felt good when I woke up and woke up early. .No problem. WOW WOW

I feel clear... I feel happy.. I feel like have more energy than normal and well... its a good feeling.

I am taking the salt c as indicated below. And started back up after a weekend break on Monday.

I will admit to seeing some stringy type things in the toilet yesterday and some other odd looking items that may be some of the things others say come out of them.. I assume the first ones to come out will be from the digestion directly...
Very interesting...

So anyway..> I am not sure again what to think or if this is directly related to the Salt C or not. I still need time to tell and I bet after about a month I will be able to make more conclusions.

I hate to jump or assume anything too quick.. There are many variables.. But then again. I have been on a certain road for months and this is the only change I have made recently..
So.. it must be it???

What do you think?

[ 12. December 2008, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

As well I do still feel good about taking my ABX as well that I take MWF.

.Before starting the salt I would feel quite ill the next day and I am seeing a short trend of the feeling that the Salt C is helping erradicate the toxnis and bacterias that the abx is trying to kill or does kill before they can be reabsorbed back into my gut or other organs like the liver and kidneys etc.

This is a proven fact by many doctors and they are always talking about ways to help make sure you are getting the toxins out of the body as opposed to them doing what they naturally would do and get absorbed back into our system..

I can sense that this is helping me based on how I feel the next day after the ABX now as opposed to weeks ago..

Just a comment and observation..

The reason or the connection may be from another part of the salt c therapy such as alkalinity or some other affect that the Salt C is doing to my body that helps with Detox or Herx reactions..

We will see in time..

So far>> Looking GOOD>>

And maybe this weekend was a Salt C Herx??? MAYBE>> just maybe it was.....

IT felt like my other herxes but even more like my herx when I and before I start my period..

But also there was an addded feeling in there overall as I could feel the salt in my system.
Interesting feeling. My blood felt different.

I could tell it was not the same as usual during this Herx.. Just that added feeling I had not felt before..

A bad herx.. plus this other feeling makes me think the Salt C has something to do with the Herx but not the only reason.

For now.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb,

That good feeling is probably from all the great minerals in the sea salt that our bodies so desperately need.

Also the salt is an alkalizer and a bacteriocide. Glad you're doing okay on the salt/c so far,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Stringy things huh? sounds like your stirring up the worms and chasing them out. That's really a good thing.

Better out than in I say., Keep going Deb, You are a trooper, gael
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
You are intentionally taking more than needed, NaCl = sodium chloride?

Do you have a dog?

Do you use Frontline on that dog to prevent lyme?

Do you know HOW the ingredients in Frontline work?

They block the chloride channels.

Salt DOES kill many OTHER pathogens. This is why we gargle with salt water when we have sore throats and why we salt meat to preserve it (other pathogens begin to turn it rancid).

The channel Bb upregulates is TRPM8. This is a Ca-Na channel.

Look at my photon transfer post (animation link from a neurology website). See what happens when photons enter the cell -> transducin -> Na-Ca channel CLOSES.

A primary infection with a dangerous pathogen that is depleting our nutrients often sets the stage for OTHER pathogens to invade and replicate (as seen often in HIV).

Which does indeed complicate the picture...a LOT.

What is the impact of Na-vitamin C (raising the pH ) on lactobacillus?

"Lactobacillus are able to live in highly acidic environments of pH 4-5 or lower."

Impact on yeast?

"Sodium chloride enhances the potential leavening ability of yeast in dough"

Leavening = CO2...

CO2 is great for lyme...

Lots to consider, think about and evaluate.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Here is what I know for sure from personal experience only. The salt/c is killing Lyme, babs, bart, parasites, worms, viruses, fungi and more.

It is the only thing that has really, really worked for me after 30 yrs of being sick. I am not making any claims for anyone else.

Marnie, appreciate your input, but this thread is for salt/c group reporting progress.

Would you mind moving your post to other salt/c thread that is for info purposes so we can stay on track here.

Thank you very much,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Reminder Everyone,

DRINK LOTS OF WATER Eat foods rich in potassium and magnesium like bannana, potatoes, leafy greens. Hope everyone is doing well,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Are the questions for me??

You are intentionally taking more than needed, NaCl = sodium chloride?

And the dog and frontline questions.. I do not get it and where is that coming from??
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

Well I took my salt c tonight.. And I actually like how i feel when I drink it. I have noticed it helps my digestion and as well i have been feeling more sleepy and able to fall asleep... a bit better.. Not cured my insomnia by any means.. But something I noticed.

And well.. I am feeling a clearing of sorts today that is nice..

I will leave it at that.

So.. I am not complaining nor am I having any side affects or reactions to be concerned about.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

I was trying to figure out whose Marnie questions were for too. I do believe it's best for the other thread of information.

Thanks Gael and Deb for addressing me.

Yea, I think it was the doctros visit that elevated my blood pressure.

I tested it the past couple of days and it was `117/76. I'm so glad.

I've been in alot of head, neck, jaw pain the past couple days. That has nothing to do with the salt. Just what happens to me.

If my blood pressure stays down I'll up the salt.


I know what you mean about the normal and range of feeling good or bad.

It's like I have a new normal that isn't anybody elses normal I know. Except for on lymenet.


I was thinking it's so nice to have you here on this thread.

Your experience of being on this protocol for two years and your willingness to share is a comfort. Thank you.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
I wanted to add,

Like Deb, I drink about a gallon of water a day I'm always thirsty. Even before the salt. Actually since taking the salt I'm not as thirsty. It seems to satisfy me a bit.


Thanks for the tip on the eating the greens. I had green beans and spinach salad last nite.

In the morning after I take the salt/c I sometimes feel like a burning tingling sensation around my jaw joint and jaw muscles.

I have TMJ/TMD my jaw muscles aren't able to keep my jaw in place as they should.

So I wear a nite and day device. I sure hope that means that the salt/C is knocking the hell out of those pestering little bugs [bonk]

After I take the Salt/C I instantly feel a subtle pulse of energy. I think I mentioned that before sorry if I did. It's pretty cool.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Fancy

I am glad to hear from you. that jaw stuff sounds painful .
I bet the salt is getting in there.. I sure hope so.

i too feel a burst of energy and like a claming clearing affect.
It is nice.

As well I have been afraid to really determine or say everything because i have seen some big improvements and i am a bit leary as to what is going on or if it is a temprorary thing.

I hope it is going to stay and build...

I had last weekend where I felt so horrible I thought ok. its my period.. and it is a herx from the abx .. or it is all and a flu bug in my stomach..
it also could have been a herx from the salt... as I did feel it building all week..

But this seems to be a bit simple already.. and maybe too good?
I felt better immediately in the first week and as the week went on by friday I crashed..

Then on Monday it cleared and I this week feel better and better.
less pain and fatgue and I actually am feeling normish... like at night I fell asleep at the computer.. Ok thats is a NEVER!

And my eyes are getting tired and I am falling alseep! Did you hear that?? LOL> that is amazing to me...

I do not know what to say but.. I thought I better say it.. It feels amazing. I slept like never before.

I got up and felt like I had slept. I do not know how to act today.

Is this going to continue?? Or are the herxes to come.??

Lets see. as well I wrote on the other post. i have doe a ton of detox stuff this year. I think i am a bit ahead of the game.. Maybe that will help limit the herxing or . I do not know. i am not sure.

LIke I said before. time will tell.

Been eating greens too and am on a kick of my own fresh made vegeable soup with some chick broth and a bit of chicken in there too.. I eat it every day and it is so cleansing to me too..

I eat no grains and no dairy ...
Only sometimes brown rice when i want my stir fry of fresh veggies i will top it on some brown rice.. But minimal.

And thats it.. fish and chicken breasts only on the meat side.

Anyway.. THANKS for the support and kind words.
Glad you are seeing some good things yourself and are feeling positive.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

Nice to hear from you and I am really glad i can be of some comfort to you while you are going thru this.

I would like to address the jaw pain/tmj. I had this very severe in 1983 and had to wear a bite guard.

Fast forward to this period of time. A few weeks ago I woke up and my jaw and gums were swollen.

I got scared at first and it dawned on me that the salt is trying to pull the infection out.(like when you soak your finger in salt water and it draws out the pus.)

I relaxed ate some yogurt, drank more salt/c and as the toxins were expelled thru the intestines and out into the toilet, the swelling in my gums went down and so did my jaw.(took about a week)

I also brush my teeth and gargle with Listerine. It contains antparasitic ingredients such as thymol. I highly recommend this, especially if you have jaw symptoms.

I can tell you first hand that the pain in the jaw is coming from parasitic worms. Even after 2yrs I had a bad herx pain as the infection was dying.

Hang in there and know that you will get rid of this infection even if some of the herxes get rough.

Just stop and listen to what your body is telling you. Take a break when you need it.

If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask.

Hope today brings more healing for everyone,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I just want to add, that a lot of us are salt deficient and dehydrated.

There seems to be a correlation between these facts and infectious disease.

I think I sent Deb info on this, hopefully she received it and can post it for me.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Deb,

That's exciting that you feel so good today. I'm sure it will continue all day!

I love your excitement. I could feel the positive energy through your post. That was pretty cool.

I know what you mean by being hesitant about saying anything about your improvements. I'm glad you did. It lifted me up.

I also relate to the ------"Is it a Herx? Is it the Lyme symptom? Or....Is me loosing my mind?" Sometimes I just don't know.

But since the salt/C, the fact that I have had some symptoms that I haven't felt in 4 to 5 years. At least not so often tells me it's doing somehing.

Plus the link you gave us on what people have felt with the salt/c.

I hope your day continues to be great! Gaels too!

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
It finally dawned on me what Marnie was referring to about the frontline. Jamescase20 was talking about his experiments with his darkfield microscopy.

Deb, being the kind supportive person she is was sticking up for James who was geting bashed for his out of the box thinking. Marnie had the need to put her down for this.

I guess she(Marnie) was putting down the salt/c protocol in a sarcastic manner as well.

Really, why do people feel the need to this instead of focusing on their own healing? (just so ignorant)I will leave it at that. Just wanted to help clarify.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Thank you both for your kind words.

Hi Gael,

You and I must have been posting at the same time.

Thanks for sharing about your jaw pain/ tmj Interesting about the thymol.

I have a couple tubes of strong herbal toothpaste that I quit using a long time ago. I will locate and use them again.

I wanted to ask you and Deb about baths. I think I have heard both of you mention that you do detox baths. What exactly to you use?

And Gael, do I remember you saying you do clear water enemas?

If so may I ask why you don't don't do the Coffee? I also heard that some people do green tea enemas? May I have your opinion?
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Thanks Gael for clarifying Marnie.

Ahhh, too funny. I couldn't agree with you more!


Deb, being the kind supportive person she is was sticking up for James who was geting bashed for his out of the box thinking. Marnie had the need to put her down for this.

Wonderfully said Gael.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hey, Fancy,

I was doing clear water enemas. I just felt for me they were enough. I also didn't know how adding anything else to the enema was going to affect me and I was herxing enough.

I take showers, but I used to take baths. I think Deb is the bather.

I have heard people add epsom salt to their bath, but I would research this first because I think some people had bad herxes or reactions to this. Maybe not.

Don't forget the skin is the largest organ and absorbs everything. So check it out first. Hope everyone is having a really nice day.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Guys,

I can't believe I still have internal vibrations.(herxing) I can feel the infections leaving daily tho.

Thank God for Salt/c,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi there...

TO Gael and Fancy

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your kindness and the support and for saying it so OUT lout.

It was nice and it made me smile. : )

You have been so sweet and it sure makes a difference! And you have helped me so much by just talking to me and with me.. ...

it sure makes a huge difference.

Not sure what the problem is with the person and the frontline joke.. But haha.. I can laugh it all and I will not let those sorts of things or people bother me or get me down.
Even though on a site for healing and sharing and helping.. it sure is confusing to see it happen...
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
This is from Bather LOL

here is a a link Fancy to the post I started about baths and I listed some I found and have used.. You can use the ingredients lists alone as well as in combo.

Sometimes I do a simple one and sometimes I put the works in there and really try to detox a lot.;f=1;t=074666

I know the bleach sounds weird.. but it is disinfecting and it is pretty potent. I felt that one for a couple days and dont do that often.

i am good on Epson Salt and for me it is the milder one...
The extras I have tried just do various things for either detox or for relaxing or for muscles etc....

Give it a try.. I wait to shower for while and put my robe on and shower a couple hours later... .. but.. we all do it different.
on same days I just take the right after...
it all takes time and sometimes I just do not have that level of patience day in and day out..

Well. Le me know if you try it or how you feel..

I have not done the enemas ... Yet.. : : )

How is your days???????
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
MY day.

I started out well and am still doing well and had a good day.

I had a bad head ache and all the way down into the back of my neck.. it hurt but.. it has released.

I was doing well enough to just forget my mid day dose of pain meds.. Ok. Not ready for that.. It did get my attention this evening by saying. Hey hey. ouch ouch.. You are not ready to be skipping any pain meds dear!! >> My body was talking to me..

Funny.. but thats what we do. I talk to my body and it talks to me. I will say I am bit upset and how my body has not cooperated well through the years..
But she promised to make it up to me.. : )

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

A good guideline to know if you are getting enough water. If your urine is very clear, like you can read thru it, you are getting enough water. Just a helpful hint for the day,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

I have had near clear urine most of the time and now that I upped the C so much and since I added B vitamins. Hot yellow... bright and clear .....

But great advice for some who might not realize they are dehydratded

Now I just need a solution to keep me from going to the potty every 30 minutes to an hour.. ...

It is sure hard and disrupts my day and my sleep and anywhere I go i have to plan out my bathroom route or know where it is and when i can get there etc.

I will say I grew up weting my bed and as well not able to hold it in the classroom. So this is not only from now???

But it sure is worse since being sick yes
I grew out of some of it in my 20s and 30s but never was normal.

Now i would love to find a way to not go through this..
BUT it has not been on the top of my list of things I need to resolve..
This one I can live with if i have to..

Not some of the others..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
OK I forgot to ask something.

Last night again I slept like I have not before and it was nice.
But here is the question.
I did wake up a few times to go the the potty.

Now near when it was around 6am.. I went to the bathroom and when i got up I noticed that the whole side (one side) of my body felt tingly and achy.. weird and hard to explain..

It was the side I do sleep on most... but it did not feel like it had fallen asleep such as when blood flow is stopped..

It was not like that.

it was an achy and just strange sensation like something settled onto only that side of my body.. Like a chemical. LIke as if I had taken something that needed to be dispursed evenly but as I slept it settled to just that side of my body that gravity was pulling on..?

Ok. I know this sounds weird..

Well I literally was shaking it off this morning. It took about an hour for the sensation to settle down and then it left and was gone for the rest of the day..

Just an odd thing .> I am not sure I will figure this one out and i will see if it happens again.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I get that a lot along with tingling and numbness. The salt is a VERY powerful bacteriocide.

I think it is just a herx. Don't forget the salt makes the critters crazy, and they are on the run.

It is also possible that you have Bells Palsy of the gut. I have/had it. There is a good article on her that Dr. Virginia Sherr wrote about.

Type it in the search bar and it should come up,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Thanks for the bath recipes. They really look yummy. I think I'll have to start relaxing in a hot bath again.

I started taking showers because I was spending too much time in there and couldn't get anything done,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hey Guys,

Deb, thanks for the link on the baths. I will let you know. I have not yet experienced the sensation you speak of.

Anyone know where Sammy is? It would be great to have him on this thread. Does anyone know if he knows about it?

Yesterday turned out to be a good feeling day. Today still in question.

I believe I'm leveling out on this dosage of salt/C.

I take in consideration what Sammy told Deb on the other thread about herxing every 3 to 4 weeks.

Although I am getting anxious to up the dosage. I don't know yet.

I hope everyone is doing well today.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

Good to see you her today. Sammy maybe herxing and not feel like posting right now. She posted a couple of days ago. I'm sure she'll pop on soon.

What dose are you on now and how long have you been on it? You can ramp up and if it's too much cut back.

Anyway, let us know,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Gael,

I'm doing 1/4 tsp salt and equal grams of C. Once a day in the morning.

I believe it was November 24th(give or take a day) when I started with an 1/8 tsp for the day.

Dec. 1st (give or take a day) went to 1/4 tsp a day. I now have started a calender for the amount data. so no more dah, I think it was...... [Smile]

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey Guys

Here is a little chart i started on the bottom of my original chart to keep track of how and when i am incrementing.
To show others too..

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly


1/4 tsp total
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
For anyone new and maybe confused.
The dosage you take is a combination typically of both the
Vitamin C and the Salt in equal amounts combined.

That gives you your therapy and then you will take a certain amount of this combined therapy each 24 hours.

Some people I have seen do not take equal dosages of each and will sometimes take something like 1/2 tsp of salt and 1 gram of C. So it can be confusing to read each persons choices but once you understand the concept you will be able to.

As well some people write out in grams. and Gael explained that well. Below is a chart for grams to tsps and tsps to grams

1 tsp = 4.76 grams
1/2 tsp = 2.38 grams
1/4 tsp = 1.19 grams
1/8 tsp = .595

For Vitamin C it usually is given in mg form and
1000 mg = 1 gram
500 mg = .5 gram

Therefore what a lot of people do is consider:

1 tsp to be about 5 grams and add 5000 mg of C to make the combination of therapy they take and so forth.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Thanks for posting that info Deb.


Fancy, if it were me, I would increase that another 1/4 tsp each salt & vitc which would take you to 1/2 tsp each of salt & C.

But of course do what you are comfortable with. Are you herxing? Any new symptoms? Let us know, Gael
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Gael.. In your recommendation.. to Fancy.
DO you mean increase 1/4 tsp of each Salt and C to give a total of 1/2 tsp of both together per day???
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Sorry, If I wasn't clear.

If you're taking 1/4 tsp a day of salt and 1/4 tsp Vit C and you increase the dose 1/4 tsp to 1/2 tsp each it's always per/day.

When and if you start getting into the higher doses then the dosing is divided. Example: I am up to 20gms p/day.

I would never take it all at once. I take 5gms (1 tsp) 4x a day. That would then = 20gms.

I think it will become clearer when you start increasing the doses. (Brain fog doesn't help)

If this is not clear, let me know. When your ready to increase the dose you can pm me and I can walk you thru it Okay?

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
This salt/.c is really killing these infections as little more everyday. I was worried a few months ago that it wasn't working as well.

Looking back, I think I was just having some strange symptoms.

It is clear how strong this salt is against these bugs. I hope everyone has the same results,

Take Care, Gael
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

Hello. Well first off I did not sleep like I did in the prior days this week last night. After I finally did go to sleep after battling a bad headache all night I woke up again to that tingling and numbish wierd feeling down the side of my body. It is down the right side of my body and I am thinking last time was down the left side. Ok I will have to look back. That is weird. I woke up with the heachache.> ouch. I have to admit I did some cheating on my diet last night and had some dessert I should not have. I had thought this is why I was not feeling so well. Maybe Or a combination. I also told you all that Saturday was my toughest day because of also the ABX treatment I am on.
I have seen weird things in my toilet> Not sure what to think of it. Trying to match it up to the pictures online. A few different ones that may match. Still trying to figure this stuff out. Yikes. IT is interesting and intense. I am up and around though so it is a level 3 day and that is good even though I am hurting. As well I have all over pain and my bath yesterday helped some and I have not yet done that today yet but will.
THANKS for listening. Would love to hear from others.

KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional
HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly


1/4 tsp total
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb,

Well it sounds like the salt/c is really starting to work, The numbness(which I still get) is part of the herx.

As I posted on the other salt/c thread, everyone can have different/other pathogens that will be dying off depending on what we have ingested over the years.

Like sushi, fish, rare meat, pork, etc. Can you try and describe what you saw in the toilet? Sorry about your not feeling well.

It may not always be what you ate that made you sick. Remember you are also herxing and it's always stronger during a Full Moon.

Feel Better

Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Is there really any bit of validity to the strong herx during a full moon? Scientific proof? It seems so far-fetched. I told my wife and she laughed out loud and thought I was an idiot. I persoally don't believe it.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Seek,

Do a search on here under full moon and I think you will find some interesting info.

I know as a trauma nurse, there was always a big increase in activity.

A good friend of mine who is a retired homocide cop said things would get crazy during a full moon.

Let us know what you find. How are you feeling?

Interesting stuff,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi guys!

I love full moons!!! I believe that could be true.

Gael, Trauma nurse, wow, Good for you! my Brother in law was a nurse in the ER. I don't know if that is the same.

My mom is a retired RN. Critical care unit is where she worked.

I'm not feeling the herxing so much anymore. So I think I will up the dose today.

I do have a question.

I thought it was equal grams of vitamin C and salt? Not volume. LIke I take the Ester C 750 mg. 1/4 tsp of salt is about 1 1/4 salt so I take equal grams of vit. C not volume.

Vitamin C comes in different strengths.

isn't that what the protocol is? I guess I'll have to check the website again. but let me know what you guys think

does that make any sense?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

Yep you're right. It is equal gms of each not volume.

I also take the ester c 750mg. 1/4 tsp of ester c is 1.13's so close to a gram I wouldn't worry about the .13.

You can find that info on the back of the bottle.

Deb seems to be herxing since she increased the dose to 1/4 tsp in am and 1/tsp in pm which equals 1/2 tsp for the day.

Sooooo.......let us know.. how you are doing when you increase the dosing.

Hope this is clear.

Good Luck and keep in touch,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Typo on Debs dose. I meant 1/4 tsp in am and 1/4 tsp in pm which equals 1/2tsp for the day. Sorry about that.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Gael,

Thanks for clearing that up. I was starting to get confused. [Smile]

I don't think it's really a big deal like you said but I did wanted to clarify just so we are on the same page.

I looked at the bottle and it says 1/4 tsp equals 1.13 grams. In weight not the grams of C. It says it has 750 mg ester C in each serving and a serving on that product is 1/4 tsp. plus it has calcium 82 mg. and the bioflaviods 75 mg.

It gets a little confusing for me sometimes when we talk about strength vs. Volume.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey guys.. Yeah. Me too..

My C I bought is 4100mg of C per 1tsp (5grams)

therefore 1/4 tsp is easy = 1.025 grams

and the salt is 1/4 tsp = 1.2 grams

I do add more C I will admit by adding An Emergen C packet and i do not mind all that is in there honestly. and it has lots of minerals and stuff and as well it is an extra 1 gram of C..

It helps me drink it too as the taste without it can get old and
I want to change the flavor every so often... and

well thats my prerogative. Right>> >>??? LOL
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Fancy... So your not seeing any herxes or anything.??

Your taking it once a day only.. right now right??

What makes you choose once a day instead of divided?
Or are you waiting til you take more to divide??

I find taking it at night sure makes some changes in sleep and has make me sleep (most nights ) much better and deeper.

Maybe you should try to half it and take half in the am and half in the pm.. Just to see how you feel?

Its up to you..

And if you are not feeling anything.> I say go up.. in dose
Your body will tell you when.> it told me..

I noticed so far it takes about 5 to 7 days to kinda build up and then i herx more at that time and I know for sure at that time I do not want to increase it.

its funny. it is mimicing the ABX history I have had.
I think my body does not keep up no the detox as much as it should. It think that the medicines that are killing stuff do its job and it builds up in me at a faster rate than I can get rid of it and it builds up. That is why I have inevitably near always had to cycle and take days off. Sometimes just a few days and sometimes up to a wee before I can start on the med again.

I once was trying to figure out how to take my ABX and I was doing every other week.. My doc asked me to change to 3 days a week.> it was going to be my off week but since he said 3 days a week I figured i would try it right away that week. Monday.
I immediately herxed and I tried it all that week and the same thing.! I then waiting a week.. I tried it again and did fine.
That proved to me .. I need that time inbetween for my body to catch up to the therapy..

Hope that made sense..

I know lots of people say stay on the therapy and do not take breaks. but i am convinced not all people are equal and for some that would mean a Herx 24 7 daily weekly monthly and yearly. That is how it is for me..

I had given up back in 2004 on abx when I herxed for near 2 years straight.. "hanging in there". .And I think that was one of my biggest mistakes..
Never again

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey there.. I need to post a Microsoft Document.
It is from the lymestrategies site about the therapy and the parasites and it describes some of the ones that come out of you in a even more detailed explanation than the pics..

I am pretty sure what I am seeing most of is the nematomorphs!!
IN its various forms of 1. cocoon 2. juvenile (clear worm) 3. sheds its collagenous external cuticle, changing into the black threadlike adult.

I have seen the three forms and was a bit confused by it all and it has come together now in my mind.

As well I have seen some bugs that are tiny black specks and tiny red specks.

Not sure yet what those are..

Oh Fun.
I am thinking of getting out my sons microscope..
Maybe I will not tell you.
I might get heckled..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
I will just post the URL and it is a long list of files they post.
Maybe there will be others you want to read too.

The one i just read is called.."Salt & Vitamin C Treatment For Lyme..doc " and it is the 11th one from the bottom and 35th from the top.

If you can not get to the page let me know. Not sure if you have to be a member and logged in.. IF so I will find another way to post it.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Great Deb,

Looking forward to reading that. I wish I had a microscope early on. I just started to look at the whole thing scientifically.

I was so awestruck at what came out of me. The red and black specks could be some kind of parasite.

We will have a lot of the same and then some different ones. Let us know what else you find. Hope you have a good and restful evening,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
HI Gael.
I forgot to report something else.
I have really bad pain in my upper back and low neck area.

IT is really hurting.

I somehow remember reading about something about parasites liking to living behind the neck around the spinal cord??

I have no idea where I read that or if I really did.. THings get foggy.

I saw the post of the girl with the Hump Back and it reminded me of it too.

I always have pain all over.. but this is extra and extra tight and achy and painful..

I am also breaking out all over my face in little bumps...

Fun Stuff Right.?


A bit tired and trying to pay some bills and clean up my YUCKY room filled with laundry and meds and dishes and stuff.
I get so far behind and I do not like it but.. i have to let it go and not stress ..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Ohhh I just read this..

. You will feel the worms crawling out of you, especially on your face since your head is where so many of them like to reside.

Hmmm maybe that explains my face issue.. YIKES>
I need a bath!!

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

They explain on lymephotos about bumps at the base of the skull on each side of the spinal cord. I had these.

They are launching pads for the microfilarial worms.

The worms and parasites try and exit any way they can from the salt and may start pushing thru the skin. Lovely isn't it?

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
No.. Gael. Its not lovely!>>
Its creepy.
But i want anything in me OUT..
Please Thank YOu!!

[Big Grin]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey there.>
Well it seems like this is starting to feel like last friday .. but not quite as bad.
I am feeling sick. Stomach cramps.. runs... and achy all over.. big time back of neck and joints have shooting pains..

I am thinking that I am again going to take off a coupe days LIke I did last weekend..

And at least til Monday am and then evaluate.

I am seeing a trend ... for me anyway.

I am definately not raising any dosage at this point.

God Bless

[ 24. December 2008, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
deb i wouldn't stop completly the salt c. i would take it down a notch, maybe back down to half the dosage that is causing the herx. soooo happy you are hercing, that means things are dying!

this protocol works. i told my husband yesterday that i don't have brain fog any longer. i can see things with such clarity. i am amaxed. i put my husband on salt c too, as a preventative, since we are unsure whether lyme is an std...he is 4 months in.

just keep going gael, the only advice i can give you is it takes a loooooong time to see results, but they are happening every day and when you look back at the big picture, you will be amazed at how far you have come.

i have only been doing salt c for 7 months and so many things are better, outside of herxes. my sleep is deep and sound for the 1st time in my life. i don't have any more ms stiffness, no brain god, acne is gone, stomach pain after meals gone.

and the list goes on...

i am being sincere that this works. how? i don't know but i know it works.

just keep going even when the going gets real tough. i remember the 4 month herx was the WORST for me. i had a migrane for 7 days straight, not relieved by any detox measures. enemas etc. eventually, it lifted and that is when the brain fog started lifting.

the gains i have made are tremendous.

talk son
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hey Deb,

Listen to the girls from Philly, we know what time it is,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Deb, Gael, and Sammy,

It's so fun to read your postings. For some reason I was smiling through all of them today. Mabe it's the gals from philly.

Deb, I have bad neck pain. Stiff neck. It did get worse when I started on this protocol but than better again. Hmmm, that probably didn't help you much. Sorry.

So I upped my dose yesterday. I'm taking 1/2 tsp of salt/C a day. Divided doses.

Deb, there was no reason other than lazyness that I did only one dose in the begining. I was waiting until I went up on the dose.

About 2 hours after my last dose of salt last nite. I started getting the body aches again. Muscle pains. Which happened a couple days after I started the salt/C

I bought some Dead sea salt yesterday so I did the bath last nite with baking soda. They went away. The are back right now so I will do the bath again after my last dose of C salt.

I'm very fatigued which is what happened last time. I was fatigued for a couple days than the body aches, stabbing pains, and slight pin pricks.

I was wondering. You all have been on Antibiotics and Gael both ABX and Chinese Herbs. All I'm doing is the Salt/C and Cilantro. Do you think that could be why I'm not seeing or feeling more?

What kind of herbs were you on Gael?

Sammy, Are you doing anything else with the Salt/C?

Oh Sharp pains just started in my Jaw joint. Funny, I'm actually looking forward to feeling the pains that let me know something is happening.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey Girls from Philly! LOL We have the East coast girls and the West coast girls.. .
How funny... I hear you Fancy.. I am feeling pains and aches and shooting pains and numbness and weird things I have not before and on top of what I have had always. It hurts but I know its coming from the therapy.

I am on ABX still and I have not stopped yet. I had not been taking the KEtek that long before starting this and I am not going to stop without talking to my doctor and I think that the ABX are going to still help in some areas that maybe still the salt cant or.. I dont know.
Maybe I am not ready to let that go too... yet.. I may someday.
I am only take it 3 days a week..

Sammy.> Maybe your right and on the weekends that I stop I should just go down in dosage. Since I am not on that much I guess i am good with the short break but as I go up I am sure I will have to step down instead of stop. But it is just for those couple days and even on abx I just have to give my body time to
catch up and regoup.

Otherwise I stay in constant herx mode.

Fancy.. I am interested to hear how you sleep once you start taking it at night. I have had extra pain from this too but it is not constant and it comes and goes every week ... Again friday and sat were my worst like last week..

My neck and back are hurting still but not as much as friday and saturday

Sammy. I saw the red things too. Its just like the pics. I have to keep going back and looking at them too and I did not see the red ones until recently and there they were..

Well. THANKS for being here everyone.. It feel so much better than doing this all alone .. Much. and I appreciate you guys a lot.

THANK You. Really. And sincerely.

Gael How are you doing? i have not heard a lot of new stuff from you.. Now that your on the 20 grams a day.. Has anything new happened lately?? And how long have you been on 20>?

How far did you get in grams per day within like the first 3 months? Curious? And you too Sammy??

And Gael.. Oh my . You saved me in the beginning when I started out on the full recommended dose that was posted on the site.. and now that i read deeper . .You have to start slow and go up slow. THey should change that on the site.

Talk to you girls.. Of the East and West..
Philly and Cali : )

[ 24. December 2008, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb, Sammi & Fancy,

I can't remember how long I have been on the 20gms a day. It's been at least 1 yr. Well, I do have something new to report.

I have this fiery red rash underneath both my breasts that itches.(could be bullseyes) I have some petichea.

At first I thought maybe it was all the garlic, ginger, jalepenos, cinnamon that I mix with my food as seasonings.(like an allergic reaction)

But, I just realized I have been feeling these little parasites moving around in my breasts for awhile.

It makes sense since I am detoxing that this infection is trying to push out. The rash calms down in the morning when I do my protocol flush.

The last time I saw anything really significant in the toilet was about 7 months ago. I just see smaller little worms and parasites now and an occassional skin parasite.

I do feel them moving around in my back and it makes me want to scream. I am really angry and sad that this has happened to so many.

So grateful that I found this protocol. I have done the herbs from The Monastery Of Herbs for 6 months before I started the salt/c.

The salt/c just chased them out of me like a flood. The herbs had a lot of wormwood and other stong herbs in them.

I was taking about 20-30 caps a day, and I am sure it had something to do with the mass exodus.

I am very pleasantly surprised that you're seeing these pathogens leave you so soon.

I can't even imagine the herx you would have gone thru starting at 8 gms a day. Holy cow!!

Sammy, I thought you probably were getting rid of a lot more than you realized, especially if you are doing 20 gms a day.

This is one disgusting, yucky disease. (jaw dropping to say the least) It's a Steven Spielberg novel for sure.(pestulence on the planet...hmmm)

Fancy, I bet when you increase your dose, you will start seeing things come out. Let us know.

Deb, I know what you mean about herxing. I have been herxing nonstop for years. The difference now is, I am seeing results.

My heart goes out to all of you and everyone else that is suffering. Stay strong, stay on course,I am pretty sure this is the way out.

Deb, I wasn't even sure Marc was still on lymestrategies. That's great. I tried to register, but was having a problemb getting in. He probably wants you to get familiar with the material first.

Did you purchase his e-book? Anyway, I hope everyone has a peaceful evening,

[kiss] Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Guys,

I have this big bad fiery red rash UNDER both breasts, that is sore and itchy. When I looked in the mirror it looks like a bullseye rash.

It makes sense because after all these years it is being purged out and onto the suface. I got one on my arm (bullseye)about 1 1/2yrs ago where I had a fully engorged tick. It was pulled out in 1978.

When my LLMD diagnosed me in 1999, after 20+ yrs of being bitten so badly, he found a bullseye on the top of my head.

Actually, I think I have had Lyme since I was 16, which would make it over 50yrs that I was infected.

I feel the parasites crawling around in my breasts(YUK) trying to get out. I really can't complain, because I am getting rid of these beasts that have invaded my body. It's just a matter of time.

Hope everyone else is doing okay today,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Gael, Beb and SAmmy,

Deb, LOL that's right. The Esast Cosst and the West coast girls. I love it.

I thought of you yesterday when my upper back started hurting too. Still does.

I was just thinking yesterday what Deb said about having you all here and sharing. It's a big comfort.

I am herxing. Nothing major though. At least not to compare when I tried ABX. I was suppose to change to IV but I decided not to. I was scared.

After I saw what it was going to be like. I realized I didn't have the family support to see me through it. That was 10 years ago. So I'm very happy about this Salt/C

I must be herxing. Before I went up on dose I was feeling really good. Tons of energy. Well, for me anyway. Now fatigued, my whole body hurts. Body aches, muscle pain, upper back is stiff. I've had a couple weird sensations in my head.

Deb, sleeping since I went up on salt/C I've slept more. Last night I woke up around two because of body pain.

Went back to bed and slept thought my alarm. Usually I don't sleep much. I don't know if it's all the personal stuff I'm going through or the lyme that I don't sleep alot.

Gael, How long have you been a trauma nurse?

I need to get some things done today hope all is well!!

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

You found an engorged tick? You certainly have had some experiences with this disease. Were you able to test the tick? Not that it would make a difference. Just curious.

I'm so glad you are doing so much better. I know your still working on it. You are an inspiration.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

I was bitten daiy for about 2 yrs(1978-79) My boyfriend pulled a fully engorged tick off of my left arm.

We didn't know about Lyme back then, but I remember thinking when I saw the tick being pulled off)( I don't know why, but I know this isn't a good thing.

Ha, that was putting it mildly. I see you are starting to herx, that's good, because you know the salt/c is working.

I HOPE YOU ARE DRINKING A LOT OF WATER. Always good to see your posts, and thanks so much for the support,

Peace & Light,

Philly Girl
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Wow Philly girl, everyday? Yikes.

Hey I tried to check out the lymestratgies website again. It's hard to read for me. I love this site with the gray background and big letters.

I found it hard to get information too. For instance they don't have threads. you have to click on each message to read it. Is that correct or am I missing something.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hello guys.. Hows it going?? Good I hope..

I am needing to switch my salt to something that has no magnesium and I am trying to hunt down pure sodium chloride pill. Tee ones that lymestrategies recommend is a brand that is not selling them anymore..
Let me know if you know of them or see any ok?

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
PS . as well on the baths for detoxing.
My doc has recommended no epson salts or anything with magnesium.
He says I may feel great for the short run but magnesium is the food for what he feels I have.. and for many others..

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey there .. I am doing pretty well.. NO major herxing and it is the beginning of the week once again.
I am changing salt to something without magnesium or very little magnesium..That is the only change I am making for now.

KIND OF SALT : sodium chloride - Plain
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly


1/4 tsp total
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hey Deb,

good to hear from you!

Now that's interesting Deb. Does that mean he doesn't want you taking any magnesium at all?

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Okay, I saw what I think are "clear Worm" in the toilet today. I looked at the pictures on lymephotos and that's what it looked like. Wish I had a microscope.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hey Fancy,

I used to see a lot of clear looking worms. I think those are the juvenile nematodes. I always refer to if I have doubt.

As you increase your dose you will see more and more of these creatures in the toilet
Then you will know why you have been so sick. Glad you are seeing some results so soon.

Talk Later,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Everyone,

This rash that came out on my chest is large. Like a huge butterfly. It went from fiery red to light pink, so it's calming down.

I know this is part of the infection and I am sure the salt is pushing it to the surface.

I always wondered why this disease has so many rashes and bullseyes and what they represent.(bacteria wise)

I am just glad this infection is leaving. This is confirmation that I am on the right path.

Hope everyone is doing well,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey guys..
Hope all is well.. ...

Fancy.. >. So you saw a worm... fun huh??
I have not seen more since last week...
And Yes my doc says to take no magnesium for now...

Gael. I hope your ok.. and the rash is what you say it is..
I will be thinking of you..

I am tired and just lots going on right now.

THINKING OF You... all..

Posted by janis1023 (Member # 15942) on :
Just want to say I am following your adventure....this is like a "Lyme Realty Show".

Anyone that doesn't like it should not waste their time on this thread.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hey Janis, what an idea. "The Lyme Salt/C Reality Show"

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Janis,

I don't think Stephen King could have written this one. How are you feeling? Are the antibiotics helping you?

I hope so,

Posted by janis1023 (Member # 15942) on :
Yes, antibiotics are helping considerably. But like everyone else, I am in a hurry to get well.

I live south of Dallas, TX. We have had very cold weather the last couple of days.

I was soaking wet with sweat just tonight when we were out shopping.

That's just crazy. Makes me think the Doxy and Ceftin aren't touching whatever evil invader is making me sweat.

I'm considering Salt/C along with antibiotics, but will discuss with LLMD on the 31st.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Guys.. I am doing good today.
Not seen anymore bugs .... as of to date.
And yeah its a funny thread and I agree that if people do not like it they do not have to come in. Even named it for updates on those on the protocol.
We are here to help one another and support one another and check in and compare notes etc.
Its a support group.
There is another thread for posting information and for..well.. more of the controversial talk.

Glad everyone seems to be doing pretty well..
The only changes I have made.. Can not remember what I wrote above.. is I added 2 grams of L Lysine .. I l already was taking some. And as well taking magnesium out of the protocol and my supplements.. For now.
So we will see what changes that might bring..

Do you guys ever do the Lyme friends chat? I was there about 3 times and well not for very long.. Maybe one night we can go there together and do a little chat??

Want to make a date???

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb,

Always glad to see you post. Not only are your posts informative, but you always have nice things to say and it also lets us know how you are.
Amazing how my rash went from fiery red to an even lighter pink tonight, which means it's fading.

I am getting better every day. Still feel tingling here and there, but these suckers are dying. Yeah!!

Hope everyone is doing well, and yes lets focus on healing,

Posted by zil (Member # 12048) on :
I'm too tired to read all the posts but has anyone mentioned taking large amts of Vit c increases absorption of iron. Too much iron in your body damages organs. I have genetic hemochromotosis (my body absorbs too much) and can't take vit c. You may want to keep track of your ferritin levels if you are taking massive doses of C.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey there.> That is interesting.. And well thank you for sure.
I will take note for sure and take a look at lab work and see if that is an issue.

What kind of organ issues do you have and does it cause??
Can you tell me more??

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Zil,

Thanks for the info. It's good to know. So people can get tested for it,

Thanks, Gael
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
OK>> I have said I have seen positive things since this protocol and I have not been that specific.

So i want to list a few items..

SLEEP - I big improvement and for me that is a HUGe deal. I have had so much trouble with this and am up all night or just even if I sleep I feel Like i didnt and my clock is backwards.. or just does not exist at all.
Since the therapy I can not believe it but i get sleepy and my eyes droop and I pass out.!! wow. I sleep hours in a row. I wake up in the am as if I shoud?? Ok this is all so foriegn to me.. ANd I am so excited I about it. A bit nervous about it lasting. A couple nights were not as good as others. but overall..
A Marked and noticable improvement.

DIGESTION - I like taking this after I eat. I notice my digestion is helped and i feel a lot better after taking it if I eat. I must be the fact that it balances the PH ? Not sure to be honest but I know my stomach feels better. I have better digestion overall as far as all areas and am not bloated nor have some of the other IBS symptoms I usually do near as much..
A big difference

ENERGY - I notice as well upon taking this that I get a boost of energy and for a few hours after.. Not all day or anything but. just something I noticed I enjoy.
A good change and addition

SKIN - Ok I have put up a thread on this once.> My skin just stops moving or making new cells. It acts dead. I do not heal or anything. One little zit is there for over a month..Since the salt I noticed my skin is moving and healing and is smoother and I am liking that. Its weird and I notice some days are better than others.
A nice change to keep watching

BRAIN FOG - I know it is soon to maybe say this.. But i feel I can think and see clearing. Just not as much fog. And I will leave it at that and I am watching to see how it goes or if that continues.

BUGS - Some came out
So less of them.. Thats a wonderful thing!

I hope others have seen some things they can list.
IF I am already able to list this stuff so quickly>?>>>?
EIther it is going to get way worse .. herxing.. before better.
Or. I am going to keep seeing more good things happening and these things continue to improve.

Please say the later.!

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hello guys >> Just checking in.
And I have been dong pretty well.

Thinking on upping my dose again?? Not sure and am not jumping on it yet.

I got to tell you my nose was tickling me in the middle of the night.(and I rarely ever have a runny nose or mucus or anything ).
I was had to itch it and..
out I pulled this long worm.

Oh boy. It tickled all the way up to my sinus area so I know it was way up there and not just some booger...

Honest to goodness.

Well.. hey... moving along.
THANKS for being there. Listening....

How is everyone else holding up???

Good things.> Bad things/? Herxing.?? Bugs??
TEll me how your doing..

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Deb [lol] OMG,

I have experienced that as well. In fact I am still blowing the little ones out of my nose. Anyone grossed out yet?

So is it starting to make sense why you have been so sick? I am really surprised that you are having such good results on such a low dose. I am herxing a little tonight with some achey stuff.

My rash is almost completely gone. My hands have had the same pink/red tone for the last 6 yrs.

I am sure now that this red bullseye/rash I have is what was in my body and the salt drew it ou

All I know is this is one powerful protocol. I am really grateful to have found it.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

In reference to digestion, I forgot to add that salt stimulates the natural hydrochloric acid in the stomach.

Most of us suffer from hypochlorhydria(low stomach acid)and helps with digestion.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Yeah I have read a bit more and noticed some comments about how the salt helps in digestion and ecs right when you eat.

So I was right on with that.

I also am unsure why i have reacted with such a low dose and so quickly. Its wierd. maybe the first dosing is just getting rid of the first layer or obvious stuff and it will then take time and more to get any further..

Time wiill tell.,.

THANKS for all your time and support
Your such a gem

Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
OMG you guys are too funny. I only just now read the last few pages of this thread. Deb, save that booger worm for your doctor and have it analyzed. You don't want worms up in your sinuses. Kinda close to your brain, especially long big ones. Or put it in a cup with some nice dirt so it can live a good life. Should find out what it is.

It is definitely entertaining.
Posted by c3mom (Member # 16412) on :
Oxybabe, Why do you care? Are you her neighbor

and verified that it is false? Leave her alone,

you don't know if she had one or not. Can we

just say nice things and leave it at that.

Use your "fight energy" for your own battles

Thank you Char
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Char, it was OMG ROFLMAO energy. I cannot believe what I see posted here sometimes it makes me laugh out loud.
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

You refuse to stop .. i see

Keep it up and just realize your bringing down sick people trying to get well just like you are. Just because you do not agree with this does not mean you have the right to be so horrible to other people.

Poor you. You must need some attention.
I suggest some therapy to address that because you are hurting other people with your comments.
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

That's Great!! Nice to see them coming out and know that at least those are not in you anymore. More to go but you will get them.

I have had tickeling sensations different parts of my body. Never had them before the salt C. We'll just wait and see. Remember I'm only doing Salt C right now and nothing else.

I think it is assisting on with the ABX your taking since you are still on a small dose. Just a guess.

I'm sorry this site is now tainted with negative energy. I was hoping that wouldn't happen but someone is on a mission.

I suggest we ignore Oxy. Lets stop fueling the negative energy if you get what I mean.

Let's just support each other from now on and forget about her even when she posts. At least on this thread.

Hope your feeling better Deb.

Yeah for Char!!!!

Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Yeah, I really wish you *would* stop responding to my posts. I'm tired of reading that I'm OCD, I need therapy, I'm wallowing in negativity that will prevent me from getting well, I'm hurting sick innocent people and every other thing that you can come up with (3rd reich as well). I would prefer it to post for those who agree with me and to have given information to the naive lurkers or future readers who could be misled. I'm here to protect the innocent and have an occasional laugh--well not usually on this thread--on the one that purports to be scientific about the benefits of salt.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hello Everyone,

Here is the good news....We ARE going to get well. Getting these creatures out of us is a MAJOR step to remission.

Anyone who is arrogant enough to think they don't have these worms and parasites in them also, unfortunately will not move into remission.

This really makes me very sad. How anyone reviewing the

site thinks that only a "select" few Lyme patients have these creatures inside of them is making a huge mistake.

Antibiotics can be very helpful, but they will not obliterate these pathogens. The nematodes produce their own bacteria.

If you don't knock out one of the main sources of this it's kind of like a dog chasing it's tail.


I think the tingling that you're feeling is the worms starting the osmotic process. It make take a little longer until they move out.

I think you are going to see results sooner than you think. When this started happening to me and I saw all of these creatures starting to exit I freaked.

I then realized I had to get hold of myself so they wouldn't win. I began looking at this on a more spiritual(shamanic healing)level and lit incense and candles. [Cool]

I mean really guys this is something out of science fiction. [Eek!] I have always been able to inject humor into even my most worst moments, it helps.

Deb knows my bizarre sense of humor. Deb, maybe we should post Boomerang in general?

What do you think? If anyone watching this thread needs support or info,and doesn't want to post here please feel free to send me a pm.

Happy Shedding Everyone, Gael
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Gael, Yes, think you are right about the tingling. I laugh sometimes because I get the weirdest sensation on top of my head.

Same spot every time it feels like there is something underneath the skin. the sensation is wormlenghth and width. About 2 1/2 inches long. I joke with myself saying "I'm ganna get you"

Oh this is defintely Stephen King worthy.

The same goes for me. If there is anyone following this thread and wants support privately feel free to PM me.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey guys.
I went and bought sodium chloride pills. and am using that instead for now.. I will see how it goes.

I hope all is well.
I am having a tough night on a personal level
But just still holding on.


[ 24. December 2008, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DoctorLuddite (Member # 13853) on :

It's great to hear about the progress you seem to be making; one thing however: Nematodes, worms, and any other form of parasites do not produce bacteria, they harbor them in their GI tracts just as we do. If the nematodes in your body are hatched there, and their Gi tracts are sterile at birth like ours are, then they get their gi bugs from us...
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi gals and guys,

Last nite I found something odd in the toilet. It was kinda white and perfectly round.

I took it out and found it had boyance (really don't know how to spell that word) It reminded me of a sea weed kelp bulb except alot smaller and different color.

So I opened it up and it had like jelly sticky stuff inside.

I looked on lymephotos and it looked like one of the cocoon pictures only white instead of red.


Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Wow Fancy,

That's great! Sounds like things are getting stirred up and starting the process of moving out. Way to go!! Keep us posted. Looking forward to your next report,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Doc Luddite,

You're right, they don't produce them.

But from what I read they carry an intracellular wolbachia endobacteria species that belongs to the family of Rickettsiaceae found in all life cycle stages of nematodes.

These are not originally from our g.i.track I have the abstract info on this, but I am having a problem putting the link here.

If you're interested you can google wolbachia bacteria for more info.

Thanks for your support. How are you doing? What protocol(s) are you using to get rid of Lyme Complex?

Hope you are doing well,

Posted by DoctorLuddite (Member # 13853) on :
I have a daily routine of healthy diet, consisting of fresh food, high fiber, no processed food or milk, no HFCS, no flour products made from unbleached flour. Recently I have abstained from coffee. I take a naturally derived vitamin D from a fish source at a dose ranging from 1-2000 IU/day depending on my sun exposure, or tanning booth activity which is 3 minutes once or twice a week. I take niacin to raise my HDL, chlorella to bind heavy metals, especially mercury, a metal I know I have difficulty with, and folic acid to enhance hepatic detoxification. I take 2000mg of fish oil every day, and N-acetyl-cysteine as a glutathione precursor, as that also helps with detox. I take 4 capsules/day of dried sea kelp to ensure that I am getting iodine in plentiful amounts. I take red yeast rice for cholesterol and licorice as a tonic. I just started vitamin E. As long as I follow my protocol, I am able to live the life I desire to live. I do all this not because I believe I have Lyme, but because I am 50, and I do believe that for most, aging slows the process of homeostasis down and that is aggravated by environmental toxicity and micronutrient deficiency. I have started the sea salt vitamin C protocol out of interest generated by the debate on these threads. While I don't deny the existence of acute lyme and post lyme syndromes, philosophically I believe that our immune system is where the buck stops, and I focus my energies on maintaining that system. I have noticed that I don't seem to be the tick magnet I used to be since starting the kelp, despite the fact that my cats bring them indoors all spring, summer and fall. That is merely observation, but I know there are people who seem to attract mosquitoes and those that don't, and there must be a reason, so who knows if ticks don't behave similarly...

I will try to check out that bacteria/nematode connection you mentioned, but if the nematode has an egg form that resides in the saliva of the tick, and that is how you get the nematode, then it still should have a sterile GI tract when it hatches in your system. If not, then somehow the nematode is ingested live with the bacteria already on board.
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Thanks Gael. Good Information from you and DoctorLuddite.

DoctorLuddite, Can you tell us at what pace you are taking the Salt/C? How much in tsp a day and how you are dividing it. Just curious.

I think I have mentioned this weird sensation on the top of my head. Well last nite it started again. This time it didn't go away so I took a look in the mirror.

There was a bright red mark surrounding a white bumb. I think it's a bumb. It's kinda hard to see.

It was alot like I saw on my thumb that one day. This morning I have started to feel those weird sensations a couple of other places on my head. But they are places I can't see.

The bump thing is still there this morning but no more sensations in the one spot.

I'm going to go up on the salt/C after Christmas probably 1/4 tsp and mabe start on some Black walnut/wormwood/clove anti parasite herbs.

Hope everyone is doing good today.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Fancy.. Well wow. I read your post on the white cocoon looking blobs? Those were the first things I noticed and well I have not seem then again after the first week or two. I saw exactly and inspected them exactly like you...

And then there were the white worm things and reddish stringy very thin worms and .. more recently the dark bugs that have an outershell that is dark and inside they are white and like a eggish thing comes out..
And of course the things coming out my nose.. And these all seem to match what others are saying..

I am upping my amount soon too and since I started the capsules I noticed that they are not more potent or less potent in feeling... so I have been pretty stable on them and do not feel like I am taking too much.. at all...

So I am still on 1/2 total a day.
And will be going up tomorrow a 1/4 for the week. I am not afraid of it but as well I know and have learned if It feels like too much I can stop for even a day or two and I can regroup fast..

Just like I do with abx..

So. well. Just checking in..
Glad it sounds like people are doing well and sounds like Fancy you are getting some sensations and symptoms of those bugs trying to and getting out.!

Keep me up to date.> It helps so much hearing from you and then when I hear the same description etc it really helps me understand what is going on as well help me identify or know that I am also having the same things as someone else..

It just really helps.

THANK you so much all for the ongoing support. on this forum.

God Bless and Good Health to all!

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Let me know how you intend to up the 1/4 tsp and how your splitting things etc/

I think we should post a new little chart like My last one with the dates we upped the amounts and how we are taking it etc.

I wish other would as well give us that info if they are doing it but I think that are lots who choose not to post and I guess I do not blame then either..

It leaves you open for what has happened here..

THANKS to the comments of hanging in there no matter what others say.. It sure helps.
I have felt pretty low on some days and I am just human. I can not say that nothing affects me.. And when you are sick it is even harder to endure those things.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

The bumps on my scalp started pushing thru when I was on some strong herbs for Lyme & co. When I started the salt/c all h#ll broke loose.

The parasites started pouring out of me in the toilet and the bumps on my head started to break thru the skin.

They are/were the small parasitic worms that are discussed on lymephotos(pushing thru the scalp)

I also had the long thready (like sewing thread)ones come out of my head in eggshell blue and pink.

I would just find them on my desk. I know this sounds bizarre, but that's what happened. This certainly would explain some of my brain fog [sleepy]

Just go with it and know you are getting this crap out of you so you can get well.

Doc, I enjoyed reading your protocol, but would you mind breaking it up to make it easier for us neurolymies to read? Thanks

Have you been tested for Lyme & co? Would be interested on your progress as you are doing the salt/c. Looking forward to your posts. Are you using sea salt?

Hope everyone has a great day?

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Deb,

Good to hear from you.

Deb and Gael, Thanks for sharing more info on what you have seen and see and when. You are right it helps alot.


I haven't thought of how I'm going to do the added 1/4 tsp. Good question. How are you going to do it?

I don't really want to add another dose to the day. I'll probably add it in the morning that way I'll make sure to drink lots of water.

Happy Sunday nite!!!

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

Did you say I may start seeing cuts on my body? I found one on my lip last nite after I had the sensations.

I have one on my finger too. I have no idea where they came from. They are small but a clean cut like from a razor knife.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb & Fancy,

I just thought I would chime in here as far as dosing goes. What I usually do is treat it like any other meds I have taken.

When I was up to 3/4 tsp,

I just divided the dose 3x a day.

In other words I took

1/4tsp each Am

1/4tsp each...NOON


I am now taking 20 gms p/day so I take it in divided doses of 1 tsp each 4x a day. Hope this is clear......

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

We must have been posting at the same time. In reference to the cuts, I have had these on my hands/fingers and some on my lips. They usually end up in scabs.

It's the parasitic worms coming out. They are trying to escape the salt.

It's not as creepy as it sounds, but just know you are on your way to getting rid of them.

My hands are clear now. I only had a few on my lips. If you need any more info or support let me know,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hey Gael.

I think about the dosing the thing is that if we go up by 1/4 then there will be times we have to not be divided equally in the day.

[ 24. December 2008, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Deb,

I start the protocol with 1/4 tsp at a time. Never have done it in 1/8.(not enough to make a difference)

This is how I keep it simple. Increments of 1/4 tsp thru the day until you reach 1tsp.

.If you are doing 3/4tsp you would do it 3x a day in increments of 1/4 and so on.

When you reach 1tsp which would be 4x a day it would be broken up into 1/4tsp doses.

Then when you want to increase again you would take 1tsp and then later in the day 1/4tsp.( Ramp up slowly)

When you are ready to ramp up again do it in 1/4 tsp increments thru the day and so on.

This is the way I do it and what has worked for me. I am not sure what Marc has in his e-book as far as dosing, but Sammy could probably tell you because she has the book.

I hope I didn't confuse you. I think whatever you're comfortable with. Let me know,

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

forgot to address the scratches on your breasts. Okay, think of it this way.

The worm/parasites are on the run from the salt. They are trying to push their way out. The skin has to open. Think of this.

When you have an infected finger and stick it in salt water the skin opens so the pus can come out.

I have them in my breasts as well, but I didn't get cuts there. Mine appeared on my shoulders and upper and lower back.

Then they formed scabs and if I flicked the scabs the parasites come out.

(I know YUK) But this is what we are dealing with and why we are so sick. Just try and focus on "the enemy is on the run" and I am getting them out of my body.

I wish there was an easier way, but I haven't found one. Hope this helps,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Thanks Gael

I think i will be as well taking some Sodium chloride baths and see how I feel with that too.

I have had issues ongoing with fungal toenail infections.
Not horrible. Just not ever going completely away

they are all of a sudden now going away. and drying out and I hwas working on them and using tea tree oil for years to just keep them from getting worse. .Just never could get them healed up completley ..
I know the abx make that worse.. too..

But lately.. they have been getting better..

Thats a good sign

THANKS for all the info and support.

I have not heard about how your doing lately
You said nothing new??

Do you think your close to being able to stop the therapy?? or
would you ever cut back on amount?? or??

Where do you feel you are now at this point??

And I know you said you still see the bugs .. ..

on one thread I saw you write that you feel you are almost done with this mess..

I sure hope you are close.. and you have been through enough and so long and too much suffering and pain..

I hope for all your further healing... and continued success with the Salt and C therapy.

It so good to hear a real change or corner turned when nothing else was working

God Bless

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Wow Deb,

That's great about your toenails healing from the fungus. I did read on the lymephotos site that the salt will help clear the candida/fungus issues.

The only new symptom I had to report was that huge bullseye rash on my chest and under my breats. It is almost completely gone.

It's a very light pink right now.I can't say the infection is in remission because I still feel some movement in my back. It is less and less every day.

I am almost finished could mean another 6 mos. I don't know. I don't trust these suckers. I will NEVER completely go off the salt/c protocol.

These worms have layed an enormous amount of eggs. All you need is one to start the cycle again.

I just read somewhere that the person from lymephotos is still on salt/c after 6yrs.

I don't know what dose I will keep, but I will stay at 20gms for quite a while.

Talk Soon,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Just an update on new amount for this week.
Things feel pretty even and stable and ready to work up.
I think I left last week out.. So. well. here is the update..
Debbie.. Hope everyone is well..

KIND OF SALT : Sodium chloride - Plain Pills 452 mg
KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals
PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C
ABX ON or OFF : On
ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly


1/4 tsp total 1 gram
1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C

1/2 tsp total 2 grams
1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C

1 tsp total or about 4 grams = 8 tablets per day
1/2 am and 1/2 pm each of Salt and C

1 1/2 tsp a day or about 6 grams a day
3 grams am and 3 grams pm of Salt and C

[ 24. December 2008, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Gael

What brand of the Real Salt did you say you were using??
I am still researching and trying to find out what is best and I think I still have not found what I want ... to take for sure. moving forward
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Real Salt is the brand name. I just e-mailed you the info. I also order ester-c from Vita Cost
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

Thanks for the info on the cuts. The one on my lip is almost gone now.

I'm glad to hear your chest is getting better. Did and does it hurt or itch?

I'll up the Salt/C on the 26th. That will be about 3 1/2 grams than.

I am going slow since it takes about 3 to4 days for my Blood Pressure to level out when I up the dose.

Just being cautious since I have family history of my Dad's Blood pressure. I don't want to shock my system by going to fast.

you guys have a great day!!!

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi Fancy
Sounds like your doing pretty well.. Can I ask how high your blood pressure gets and what it is when it calms down?

I got a blood pressure monitor to be on the safe side myself so if it starts doing anything funky I can adjust to talk to my doc etc.. or just watch it.. overall.

As well as taking my temp too...

I will be up to 6 grams a day and will take 1/2 tsp 3 x a day
starting today.

I went up kinda fast but at one point i was using some new measuring spoons and I used the smallest one and I had thought it was 1/4 ts but later saw it was 1/2 and so I had jumped up at that point and already was doing that for a week.
So... That is my mistake and it boosted me a bit faster than I would have planned on and now i kinda and leveling out but also wanted to continue moving ... not sure if that make senese??

I am pretty tired right now and hurting.. Woke up with an auweful back ache.. I can not even stand up straight and have always had back problems.

Did you see the thread on back problems and relation to Lyme?
as well on some other sites lots of talk about it. Every time I have gotten physical Therapy on my back.. even very small movements or treatments including just gentle ultra sound ... my back hurts really back and i feel sick like a herx.

So i know there is some relationship there...Gael has mentioned it as well.

Anyway. Talk to you later.

Have a great day yourself. I will probably be back on tonight sometime

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Everyone,

I have been very tired and sleeping a lot. In the past couple days my gland on my right side has been swollen.

I am pretty sure it is from the salt trying to draw the infection out. Also having some head pain from the lesions.(getting much smaller) as the infection dies.

Hope everyone is making progress and doing well,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi There.

I am doing well so far and still
I noticed my sleep being so much improved.
I swear it has been years since I felt sleepy. >My eyes were droopy!! Yeah! How nice it feels.

I fell asleep and had dreams and woke up feeling like I had actually had some sleep.

This has affected my adreanals or something. >Something is shifting for sure.

I feel some Herx type reactions but nothing horrible.. And when I feel the herx build up to staying in bed bad. I take a day or two and half my dose.. And it works!

all I can say is WOW and it feels good to see and feel something change for the better.



[ 24. December 2008, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: DebAz ]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Yikes, This rash is coming out again. I am almost positive this is a herx.

It almost looks like pictures of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Raised red bumps that are itchy. I am putting aloe vera on it and it seems to help. It gets worse when I drink the salt/c.

I think the infection is just on the run. Hope everyone had a nice holiday,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
i will try to print out the ebook for you and mail you a copy. i am just so crazy with the holidays.

still feeling herxy. i have added a few drops of MMS to my routine and that is really kicking my behind. i must have some viruses and fungii that the MMS is attacking. still holding at 20 grams of salt c.

just spoke to another person over emial today who credits his recovery to salt c, FIR saunas and coffee enemas...just shows how important detoxing is...
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Sammy,

Sent you a pm. Steelbone sent me a copy so please don't fret. Just focus on healing. Good to hear someone else recovered from salt/c.

Take It Easy,

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hmmm hey guys.. Anyway. someone can forward that to me too??

Pretty please.

Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
I spoke more to my chiropractor today about sea salt. He said it was good for you, but no miracle cure for anything. He said it's best for people with low blood pressure mainly. I guess everyone has different viewpoints.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Had every intention of doing that for you, as soon as I figure out how to open it.

I originally had asked for it for someone that asked if I could get copy.

I have to have someone walk me thru opening the file since I can't figure it out. [bonk]

Just sit tight and will forward as soon as I can. You didn't really think I would forget about you, did you silly?

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
LOL Gael
I know I know..

Silly Goose..

Hey> i am good at files.. If you want to let me try to help

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
I am just checking in. I had a long holiday week..

It always takes a lot out of me.

Well though. I am taking the salt/c just fine and it seems that I am able to tolerate it without the herx reactions so much at all..

I know people do cycle and I am just staying on it.. I still do take a break and reduce the amount on the weekends or if I feel I need to.

Thats about it. I have no new news on the issue at this point..

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Where is everybody? [confused]
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :

Hey Gael
Did you get my email?? I am not sure where I found that information I read. But its gone.. ANd I checked on the site too?
Its weird.

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Hi guys
Have you heard from Fancy lately? Hope she is well.

I am just checking in and am still doing the salt and c and though am at a bit of a plateau period.

Not much changes.. but still have the positives.
No herxing or such.

Researching still various salts and what I feel works best for me..
and all that.

Hello to everyone.
Hope all is well

Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Been working on a little project

Check it out
Posted by DebAz (Member # 18039) on :
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi everyone!!!

Hi Deb, thanks for asking about me. Holidays and stuff have kept me a bit occupied. FYI your PM box is full. I tried to send a message to you but it wouldn't go through and it said your box was full.

I'm doing fine. with Salt C. Today I will add to the dosage.

Salt C 3/4 tsp a day

Divided 3 times a day.

I wish everyone Happy Holidays!!!

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hey Fancy,

Good to see you back. I was wondering about you too. Hope you had a nice Holiday.

Are you herxing at all?

Talk Soon,

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
So what about me getting my hand on the e-booK? Is that possible?

Hi Gael, hows your rash? Do you think it may be the Mountain Rocky? I hope not. Unless the salt is getting rid of it. How are you today?

I'm doing good. I just started getting body aches after my second dose of salt today. I don't usually take dose until at nite.

I have been concerned about my blood pressure. It was up a little higher than I would like it to be on an average.

So I started walking 20 min at least 3to 4 times a week. Taking potassium supplement and eating as much potassium rich foods as possible and got it down to 96/72.

I'm pretty happy about that.

Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
96/72...OMG would I be surprised if I ever saw that reading. Amazing. [Smile]
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Fancy, I sent you a pm
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Well Seek, Ya never know. Maybe a little salt eh? I saw what you posted about your chiro. I am confused.

First she said to take 1/2 to 1 tsp salt and it would lower your pressure. Then you went back and she said it's only good for people with low b/p.

And then she said it's no miracle cure. [Roll Eyes] I would love to show her the parasites that have come out of me.

You should show her the and see what she thinks. To me getting those things out is a miracle.

Not trying to be combative at all. Just trying to understand. Anyway, have you been successful with any protocol you have come across?

I hope so. For me I don't care if bird seed from timbucktoo works as long as it does. BTW wheres my $35? [lol]

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Hi Seek,

Yes, I was surprised too. I haven't seen it that low in years. I did some looking on the internet after my brother-in-law who is a register nurse told me to make sure I was eating enough potassium rich foods.

I went online and found that Potassium has been known to lower blood pressure. But like anything else you can't take too much of it.

So I don't know if which one is doing it the exercise or the potassuim. Mabe both together, But it's really helping.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :
Missing Deb on this thread.

Just checking in. My blood pressure is still good with the up dose of salt. I haven't noticed much herxing. A few weird sensations started last nite.

Happy Holidays,

Posted by 1tickedlady (Member # 14907) on :
Okay in my 2nd week of salt & Stuff, Here's my list:
Himalayan Miracle Salt - 2 in the AM & 1 at night (increases each week)
Apple Polyphenols 500 mg 2 in the AM & 1 at PM (also increases each week)
Supplements = Cal-Mag 1000 mg 1/day
Potassium = 10 MEQ 1/day
Multivitamin 1/day
Levothroid 125 1/day

So here's my question: I'm in a bad way emotionally. Actually tried to take something last night. Don't know why I did it, I just did. This isn't likeme to be so severely depressed. Is it this protocol and is this really just a herx? I'm hoping so that might help me make it through the next few weeks. Plus the pain is there daily - really it actually seems worse, if that was even possible.

What do all of you think? Can this protocol mess with your head?
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
I was wondering what on earth happened to Gael? All this talk about Salt/C and she just disappeared. Strange. is she OK?
Posted by hcconn22 (Member # 5263) on :
I restate my position on this being in the Snake Oil category.

Salt & C is dangerous
It was invented by a guy in his kitchen
No MD, or Natural Dr would recommend this
People who sell this is ebooks are wrong.
It offers false hope-
How does it effect cystic, or extra cellular Lyme
Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

Hi, Salt/C has helped many people. My advice to you is don't waste your time posting on lymenet regarding salt/C.

Some are against it without even trying it. Some were not able to take it because of salt sensitivity. Like me.

I found out when I got up to 5 grams I am salt sensitive. I was sad but that's the way it is. So, I just take one gram now because it makes me feel good and doesn't effect my BP. I'll be looking for other means of treatment.

There are precautions to take and things to look out for just like with ABX.

I suggest when it comes to salt/C post on

It will probably be more helpful.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Seek,

I am here. I have been sleeping a lot. I am making big strides every day as far as dieoff. How are you doing? Are you still taking salt/c? Sorry if I disappeared but after Deb left there wasn't much anything new for me to post.

I have been on the salt/c for 2 1/2 yrs and counting. Also there were a lot of complaints from people that this was looking like a salt/c board.


making blanket statements that salt/c is dangerous is not helpful for those people that it has worked wonders for including myself. The pros and cons of the protocol have been stated on this thread. It has completely and safely saved my life.

1 tickedlady,

Yes as with any protocol it can cause emotional herxes as well as neurological herxes. Remember the pathogens in the brain are dying as well. How much Himalayan salt are you taking? You said 2 in the am and 1 at night. Do you mean gms...tsps or what exactly?

Also I don't see any vitamin C on your list. The protocol is equal amnts of sea salt with equal amnts of vit c. Ramping up slowly is important as well as drinking a lot of water. If you need mor clarity, let me know., Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Salt/c does kill the cyst form as is shown on I have seen the cyst form as shown here. Salt is a broad spectrum natural bacteriocide and goes deep into the tissues working on a cellular level.

Think of it like peeling an onion. When you cut yourself and you get an infection, soaking your finger in salt water draws out the infection. Same principal, only it is pulling these infections out of your body not just your finger,

Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :

PREPARATION to consider for the Salt / Vitamin C Protocol - the First Step:

As with preparation for any protocol, you'd first want to consult your doctor and get some blood work.

It's important to read from a variety of sources and get various authors' original and updated literature.

Be very careful about following dosage amount from a post as each person can be different, typos do occur, etc., so you'd want to be sure to double check with the official author's statement to make sure dosage suggestions match up.

It's also a good idea to take a look at the sites of the American Kidney Foundation and the American Heart Association for the safety levels of sodium. In general, learning more about how the kidneys and heart works is helpful, too.

It's good to learn more about sea salt, too. If you decide not to do the salt/vit C protocol, avoiding normal table salt and using sea salt for daily use is a good idea, within a range suggested by your doctor for your body.

Before beginning this - or any protocol, really: share your intentions with your doctor.

Have your doctor run labs on your kidney function and electrolytes - and also check your blood pressure and heart rhythm. Excess salt can be dangerous for someone with decreased kidney function or certain heart conditions. And, yes, it can be fatal, under certain circumstances.

If you are diabetic, this protocol is not advised, so be sure to have glucose testing first, as some people are not aware if they have diabetes. Overweight people also have increased kidney pressure so this could pose risks.

It is also important to let your doctor know if you have any edema (puffiness or swelling of face, hands, feet, etc.). Edema can be sign that the kidneys or heart are stressed regarding circulation or elimination.

Here is one good article from someone who has done this - to consider as part of preparation/study:

Cautions about Salt/C (2007)

Excerpt (among 14 points to consider):

12. IF a person has ANY reason to suspect that they have heart or kidney weaknesses, or that they may have the ACE mutation (most people with CFS may have this), or if they know that they have any other the risk factors, they should not be on salt/c without careful monitoring of their progress, and if possible medical supervision.

- Full post at link above.


Note: this protocol is not suggested by any LLMD but any doctor would still be able to offer you the preliminary tests required.

This protocol is not to be confused with the practice of modest increases in sodium intake for patients with various kinds of low blood pressure (POTS, NMH, etc.)

That is something quite different and does not involve the same levels. Patients are also under a doctor's supervision for that.

Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :

Posted Fri Jan 30, 2009

From a Yahoo Group - OLDN Oregon Lyme Disease Network Online Forum

Tempted by simple "cures"? Read this.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Read what happened to Sara.

I need to speak up every now and again and remind people that Salt/C is not for everyone.

I did it for a few months a couple of years ago, and ended up in the ER with all the symptoms of full-blown diastolic heart failure.

The symptoms took a few months to subside once I went off of it. It was a hard six months before I was even back to where I was before that misadventure.

I'm not saying don't do it. I am saying that salt and vitamin C sound as harmless as a kitten -- but since every person with Lyme disease seems to be sick in his or her own special way, it's not safe for everyone.

Please tread carefully -- and stop the minute something goes sideways.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
That is interesting about the diastolic heart failure. A friend of mine who was taking antibiotics for several months had the same exact thing happen to him.

His LLMD didn't think it was from the antibiotics but from the Lyme disease itself. His doctor also said it could be age related among other things. So it is not necessarily caused by the antibiotics or the salt.

Posted by FancyRatFan (Member # 3088) on :

Note: this protocol is not suggested by any LLMD

I do not claim to have talked to every LLMD there is regarding this protocol.

But..... I have talked to one who in fact has suggested this protocol because she does have some patients who have seen much improvement.

At the same time she has had patients who didn't notice a difference.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Fancy,

How are you doing? Sorry to hear you are still salt sensitive. Glad to hear that you are taking some salt to keep the critters at bay. Have you been able to tolerate herbs at all?

Sent you pm yesterday, don't know if you got it. Have you tried antibiotics? Hope you find the right combo for yourself.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Really excellent info on salt and C. Thanks for posting. How long have you been on the salt/c? A lot of good reading.

Thanks again,

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
I thought I would revive this post.

I tried Salt/C for a couple of months years ago and gave up as it made no difference to my symtoms.
As with any protocol abx etc there are dangers and risks involved but I never considered it espechially dangerous. Just not universally effective!!!

its unfortunate that people advocating it are selling e books as that gives the protocol not the right image!

That said I do think drinking enough pure water is important. How much is enough? I kinda agree with Dr Robert O young when he says you should aim for 1 litre of water for every 30lbs of body weight. Thats my personal innovation!

However since then I have had cavational surgery on my jaw and got my teeth sorted out and I have just restared the salt/C protocol and this time I do feel a difference!!

I am on 20 g of celtic salt and also take 4g of effeversent Vit C. I know that is a low amout of vit C but its my preference. I take a little clay and charcoal for mopping up the toxins.

Any one else here on it?

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
One criteria for chronic lymies:cfs is it affordable and it meets that test!!!

One has to be able to afford abx for years on end etc!!!!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Wallace,

I am on the salt/c protocol since May 2006. It has saved my life along with antiparasitic herbs. I am also on 20 gms of Real Salt and 20 gms Ester C powder in divided doses. Glad you tried it again and it is working for you.

For anyone wanting to try this, it is VERY important that you ramp up slowly and drink plenty of water. Lots of info on lymenet about salt/c by going to the search bar and typing in salt/c.

You can visit lymestrategies to join the group that is doing salt/c and other therapy. You don't have to buy the e-book on it.

Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
Every once in a while you get someone on here who says Salt/C can cause this problem or that problem.

What a riot!

Yet there are people who take multiple antibiotics in high doses for ungodly periods of time and that's supposed to be the accepted thing to do, right?

Just take a look at one such antibiotic in the arsenal against bartonella, Levaquin, which is a fluoroquinolone. Have you ever googled fluoroquinolones and Levaquin? [dizzy]

Let's not even deal with the hundreds of petty side effects like DNA damage and popping tendons that Levaquin can cause. Let's get right down to how many people who have been reported to have freakin' DIED as a direct result of taking the stuff:

The following is from Wikipedia:
Associated fatalities: A significant number of fatalities have been associated with this class. Trovan (Trovafloxacin), Raxar (Grepafloxacin), Omniflox (Temafloxacin), and most recently Tequin (Gatifloxacin) have all been removed from clinical use due to such fatalities. Within the latest ADR summaries for Levaquin, Floxin, Cipro, Avelox, and Factive obtained under the freedom of information act from the FDA (December 2008) [183] there are 2,661 total death outcomes by case:

1038 to be found within the Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) summary,[184]
944 to be found within the Levofloxacin (Levaquin) summary,[185]
337 to be found within the Moxifloxacin (Avelox) summary,[186]
335 to be found within the Floxin (Ofloxacin) summary,[187]
7 to be found within the Gemifloxacin (Factive) summary.[188]

944 deaths!! from Levaquin, second only to Cipro, which I believe some docs prescribe for Lyme patients as well.

Yet some doctors, and abx advocates on this board have a conniption when you mention Salt/C, citing rare cases when someone with a preexisting condition had a blood pressure problem with it, or a heart problem, whatever.

And rx drugs have the advantage of a doctor prescribing them which means they can ensure that the patient follows all the rules of an established protocol.

Salt/C is like the wild, wild west, in that when a person starts to undergo the therapy, they're on their own. They don't have anyone monitoring them to make sure that they are not taking too much or the wrong proportions of the stuff or not drinking enough water, or perhaps taking drugs with contraindications. But even with these disadvantages, Salt/C is still a million times safer than pharmaceuticals.

Give me a break. If the medical profession would embrace Salt/C and perform clinical trials to determine exactly who is at risk and what the real risks are, I'm sure it would prove that Salt/C is a million times safer than any pharmaceutical drug out there.

But of course they won't do that because drug companies can not patent salt, or vitamin C. Furthermore, it's cheap and readily available in infinite supply, so they can't find a way to make huge profits on it.

This is where our government should step in and pay for such trials. But they won't do that. Thanks to the corruption caused by the drug lobby, the govt. is in bed with the big pharma and they do everything they can to protect their windfall profit making, rather than do what we pay them to do: protect the public.

The way I see it, any time someone comes on here and tries to say that Salt/C should be avoided because it's not safe, that person's name should be inked right in to everyone's "no credibility" list.

I'm sure there are plenty of trolls out there from the medical community who try to scare people away from inexpensive non-drug treatments like Salt/C. I'm not going to pay them any mind.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

Thanks for researching and taking the time to post such informative material. Just a reminder that we can't be like sheep led to slaughter and sometimes using common sense and taking the reins of control over our own health and doing our own research can lead us out of this nightmare.

Sea salt is the closest to our own body saline. The first thing we are given in the ER is saline.

Doing this protocol slowly and drinkiing plenty of water can be VERY effective against these bugs.

Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
Anyone here using the San Francisco Salt Company?

I went to their website. They sell the Himilayan Salt at better prices than I could find anywhere else.

I haven't started Salt/C yet, but I would like to at some point. I just had my amalgam fillings out and also had a root canal tooth removed (YAY!)

I'd like to get my body excreting mercury and get some of that out of my system before embarking on Salt/C because if I'm not mistaken, if Salt/C kills a lot of borrelia in the brain that is sequestering mercuy, this might free up a lot of mercury to float around and I want to be sure I can get rid of it rather than let more of it settle in the body.

I just removed a source of exposure to mercury, I don't want to counteract that by freeing up more of it.

I don't know if my theory is correct, but that's where I'm at right now.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

I use Real Salt (sea salt) and really like it. I buy it at vitacost for approx $7 for 26oz bag. Have you tried any antiparasitic herbs?

Both salt/c and these herbs have been lethal to Lyme, bart, babs and erlichia. It takes a while, but persistence is key, and staying on these protocols have been KEY for me.

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Chaps i agree!

In connie strasheim book insights into lyme disease the German photon doc is very negative on long term abx for lyme.

There are no easy options!

I am surprised that Dr K doesnt talk about Salt/C much these days.

Whats the advantage of Realsalt or himalayan over celtic salt anyone?

glad to hear that salt/c has helped people.

Cheers and sunny thoughts

[ 05-03-2011, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: Wallace ]
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Hello, Im a friend of Wallace, and I would like to know if salt/vit c protocol is safe. As salt is said to increase breast cancer and to be contraindicated for breasts. Very important question for me. Thanks a lot . Is there any research you can cite?

And how much water should you drink without putting too much strain on your kidneys?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
The best place to go for answers to your questions is lymestrategies. These are the people that do the salt/c protocol.

Marc Fett the owner of the web site should be able to give you more insight on this.

I never heard of salt being contraindicated for breast cancer. There is a big difference in the use of TABLE SALT and SEA SALT however.

I can only tell you that since using the sea salt and herbs, I have had infection come out of my breasts as well as under my breasts due to Lyme.

If you do the salt/c protocol it is VERY important to start slowly. I started with 1/4 tsp each of salt and 1/4 tsp of C in a large glass of water and drank extra water throughout the day.

I found the use of antiparasitic herbs equally important. Hulda Clark has a book called "The Cure For All Cancers" Of course this is not medical advice and you should check with your doctor.

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
I always thought salt/c was similar to having infusions of Quinton plasma which still goes on in France and elsewhere.

The following extract is a translation of the official listing for Quinton Marine Plasma in the 1975 edition of the French VIDAL. The VIDAL is the European equivalent of the American Physicians Desk Reference (PDR), which lists the accepted medicines, how they are to be applied and their side effects.

Subject: DICTIONNAIRE VIDAL 1975 - Historical Use Only.



Natural unheated seawater extracted from specific ocean coordinates.

Ampoules for injectable, drinkable and external use.

QUINTON MARINE PLASMA is available in three concentrations:


A sterile, apyrogenic dilution (pH 7.2) of seawater, prepared under aseptic conditionsby special processes without rise in temperature or exposure to electric potential or field in order to preserve its molecular balance and its character of an "alive medium".

Contains the 92 elements of the periodic table (all primary and trace minerals).

The seawater is extracted from a 10-meter depth (zone of solar penetration) under special conditions and locations, which ensure safety as for its purity.

The clear ampoules are pyrogen-free to insure that subcutaneous or intravenous injection of QUINTON MARINE PLASMA is painless and absorbed quickly.


Rene QUINTON showed, in 1904, that QUINTON MARINE PLASMA is identical physically, chemically, and physiologically to our interior milieu (extracellular fluid) and provides the optimum conditions for red blood corpuscles and leucocytes and other blood fractions.It is possible to replace the entire blood volume of an animal with QUINTON MARINE PLASMA without any disorders for the organism.

Mode of action

1. Regeneration of the internal milieu (extracellular fluid)

2. Remineralization of the body with a bioavailable, crystaloid form of the primary minerals

3. Recharging of the body with a bioavailable, synergistic form of the trace minerals (oligo-elements)

4. Some of the low concentration constituents provide a homeopathic mechanism for restoring homeostasis.


1. Children:

Gastroenteritis, Poisoning, Athrepsia (malnutrition), Anorexia, Eczema, Prenatal treatment, Premature birth.

2. Adults:

Anemia, Asthma, Exhaustion, Anti-aging, Morning sickness, Gastroenteritis, Constipation, Dysentery, E. coli poisoning, Tuberculosis, Atherosclerosis.

3. Gynaecology:

Uterine-Vaginal infections and congestion

4. Respiratory:

Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Respiratory allergies, Nebulizing aerosol

5. Dermatology:

Eczema, Histaminic reactions, Psoriasis, Prurigo, Lichen, Dermal infections, Skin allergies

6. Reconstitution of red and white blood cells.

7. Burns.

8. Energy restoration.

9. Bioterrain restoration.

10. Antibiotic solvent and carrier.



The first injections may cause a light reaction with excitation or mild fever, without any further symptoms.

Use and dosage guidelines for QUINTON MARINE PLASMA

1. As a subcutaneous or intravenous injectable.

2. Oral consumption.

3. For external usage (spray, compress, localised cleaning).

General rules of treatment

Ongoing dosages are variable following the treated affliction but it is essential to continue to maintain sufficient amounts known to obtain the "traditional" results of QUINTON MARINE PLASMA.

To start, except in severe toxicity and diarrhoea, use small amounts (2 injections of 10 ml, 2 of 20 ml), and increase gradually (30, 50, 80, 100 ml.). Finally, perform ten injections to the highest amount compatible with good intestinal functioning.

Too strong amounts for a given subject can bring a tendency to constipation.

Infants and young children: Subcutaneous injections under the scapula.

Adults: Subcutaneous injections in the buttock (ambulatory processing) or intravenous injection.


Acute Toxicity, Poisoning:

200 ml. morning and evening during one week then 200 ml per day the following week. Food could be taken again gradually an hour after the first injection. (In the event of vomiting, replace milk with PLASMA OF QUINTON, diluted 2:1 in pure spring water, until the milk is well tolerated).

Diarrhoea, Malnutrition:

6 injections of 10 ml, every other day. Continue with 6 injections of 30 ml to 50 ml. maximum. The treatment usually requires fifteen days to several months. Resume normal feeding as in the beginning of the treatment but divided into smaller more frequent meals.

Prenatal Care:

1. For the mother: Prevent morning sickness. 2. For the infant: Disappearance of physiological stress. Start at the beginning of the pregnancy and continue as long as practical using three to four injections of 20 ml per week. Increase the dose every 10 days up to 200 ml maximum, then continue with DUPLASE DE QUINTON.

Adult Enteritis, Constipation:

To return gradually to a normal feeding use 4 injections of 30 ml every 3 days, then 10 injections of 50ml to 200 ml, at the maximum, every three days.


Eczema, Hives, Allergies:

Preferably injecting small amounts more frequently according to the reaction of the patient.

Adults:6 injections of 20 to 50 ml, every three days then continue every two days.

Infants: 6 injections of 5 to 30 ml, every three days then continue every two days. Localised spraying.


Begin with small amounts and increase dose quickly to 100 to 200 ml or more, then continue with DUPLASE DE QUINTON. Localised spraying and washing with DUPLASE DE QUINTON will hasten the healing.

External Tuberculosis:

3 injections of 30 ml. every three days. Continue with 4 injections of 50 ml, then 10 injections of 100 ml. Apply bandages soaked with PLASMA DE QUINTON.

Solvent for Antibiotics:

Assures painless injections. Its light alkalinity makes it particularly effective for Streptomycin.



Digestive disorders, Malnutrition: 1 ampoule of 10 ml, 1/4 hour before feeding-bottles, 3 times per day.


Alternate a feeding-bottle of milk and a feeding-bottle of PLASMA DE QUINTON diluted 2:1 in pure spring water, until the milk is well tolerated.


1 ampoule of 5 to 10 ml, 1/4 hour before feeding-bottles, 3 or 4 times per day.

Adults General Use:

Digestive problems Anorexia. Rebalancing bioterrain. Finalising an injectable treatment. Typical doses: 1 ampoule of 20 ml, 1/4 hour before each meal. PLASMA DE QUINTON should be held in the mouth a short time before being swallowed.



Localised spraying on affected area.

Psoriasis, Burns, Sunburns, Sunstroke:

Spraying and prolonged localised washing will hasten the healing. Apply bandages or compresses soaked with DUPLASE DE QUINTON or repeated spraying as often as possible.

Rhinitis, Sinusitis:

1 ampoule of 5 ml in each nostril 3 or 4 times per day.

Aerosol Medication:


Climatic Arosol:



Ampoules for injectable, drinkable and external use.

Reimbursed by Social Security.

Collectively, A.M.G.

Approved by the A.P.

Visa : NL 5.735.


20, Av. Andr-Danglade-PESSAC, prs Bordeaux.

Direction Comerciale:

4, rue Barrault- PARIS (XIIIeme).
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Thanks gail on behalf of laura for replying.

Do you think anti parasitic herbs are better than clay/charcoal for dealing with parasites??

I may try herbs at some point again but hoping wont need to!

Posted by raw vegan runner (Member # 30432) on :
glm 20g of salt/c??? [Eek!] I thought I read you shouldn't go over 12...that's a LOT of salt/c!

I have been doing the salt/c for 6 or so months. I did go off for about 2 weeks somewhere in there but am back on. I worked my way up to 6g salt/c and that was as high as I got. I was also on abx and the herxing was horrid. I just felt like the bottom of a trash can ALL. THE. TIME.

Now, I am on 4g of salt/c and I feel good. I will possibly try to up that...or not, we'll see. I am definitely experiencing skin crawls, I am constantly looking for the *source* as SURELY there is something crawling on me... [Wink]

Another happy side effect of the helps your adrenals. I know that along with thyroid issues many of us have adrenal fatigue and REAL salt has been shown to help. One more reason I think that most people eventually feel better on it [Big Grin]
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Im a vegan too!

I am on 20 g of salt. You need to increase!

I think the parasite angle is important, we need to tackle that with herbs(which ones?) or charcoal etc. Crawling sensations indicate a problem that salt/c isnt resolving!!!

I am going to take charcoal twice a day from now on.
Posted by raw vegan runner (Member # 30432) on :
Hmmm....guess I need to increase then!
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Day 2

I started Salt/C yesterday. I am currently on the Bruhner Protocal, about 6 weeks into it. Starting very slowly only up to 2 capsules (making my own capsules, 1st Chinese Herbs) twice a day.

Will go to 2 capsules three times a day next week with the exception of Andrographis. Based on the posts I am taking that extra slow.

So I started the Salt/C yesterday. Started at 1/2 TSP of each twice a day.

I have been doing 6 grams of C powder in water daily so I do not expect too many issues in the start up phase.

My first visit to the LLMD was supposed to be next Tuesday but after confirming the appointment he said he is no longer taking new patients. So I thought I would try the Salt/C while I look for a new LLMD. He is still seeing my son.

MattH (no abx yet)
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!! That is WAY TOO MUCH to start with. You should only start with 1/4 tsp sea salt a day, or you can really have a VERY big herx.

I hope you are drinking plenty of water also. Check lymestrategies because these are the people doing the salt/c protocol for further guidance.

Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
Gael, I bought RealSalt per your recommendation a couple of months ago. Since I haven't started Salt/C yet, I've been using the RealSalt in place of table salt.

I think RealSalt is great, but when I compared its price to the Himalayan salt that can be obtained at San Francisco Bath Salt Co., I noticed a significant difference in price.

RealSalt costs $4.35 per pound if purchased at Vitacost.

So if you bought 25 lbs of it, it would cost $108.75

You can get 25 lbs of Himalayan salt at San Francisco BSC for $54.99.

That's almost HALF the cost! That's a rather significant savings.

How much would it cost you to ship 25 lbs. of RealSalt (in whatever increments you buy it) from Vitacost to your doorstep?

When you buy 25 lbs. or more of Himalayan Salt from SFBSC, shipping is free, so tack that on to the savings. That's huge!

If you buy a 50 lb. bag, it's $115.59 at SFBSC, a 47% or $102 savings over buying the same amount of RealSalt through Vitacost, which would would cost $217.50.

You may ask, who's going to consume that much salt? If Salt/C is something you're going to stay on the rest of your life as you have said, then yes, it is very likely that this amount can be consumed. Plus you can use if for mouth washing, tooth brushing, and other household purposes.

Or, if you know other people on the Salt/C protocol, you buy a big bag, split it up and save on the shipping.

Even if you buy the smallest quantity from SFBSC which is 5 lbs., that's $15.19 versus $21.75, a 30% savings.

Sorry to bore all of you with such a detailed cost analysis, but I'm an analytical person, I can't help it.

Oh, one more thing, for those who require kosher food, RealSalt costs extra for kosher. All of the Himalayan salt from SFBSC is certified kosher. SUCH A DEAL! -lol

So I just thought I'd pass this on in case anyone is interested in saving money.

Here's their webpage on the Himalayan Salt:

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Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Some people argue like Dr Mercola etc that himalayan or realsalt is better than celtic salt because of sea pollution.

I bought a kilo of himalayan so I will see how I get on with it......

Any thoughts? which salt is best???
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
Probably true although splitting hairs.

I'm not crazy about the possibility that Himalayan salt is harvested by people who are hygenically challenged, shall we say, that sweat all over the stuff while loading and unloading the slabs on camels' backs. I've seen this on a national geographic program, I didn't just make it up.

I try not to think about that.

I'd go with the Himalayan anyway. My gut feeling tells me it's better, has more purity and mineral content.

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Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
I will join you soon, also doing vitamin C powder and four lemons a day. Will slowly start some salt. 1/4 teaspoon sounds good to me.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Day 4

1/2 TSP of Sea Salt
1/2 TSP of Vit C Powder
Twice daily

Have not noticed any effects good or bad. I will finish the week at that level.

I continue the Buhner protocol started almost 4 weeks ago.

Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
wow, I am only on 1/8 tsp vit c and 1/8 tsp seasalt and four lemons once a day.
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
I much prefer himalayan to celtic salt. Much easier to take. I just swallow and then drink lots of water! Dr Mercola says its the best salt (although he does sell it!).Naturally each supplier of it says only buy our supply! Ah capitalism.......
The 13 Amazing Health Benefits of Himalayan Crystal Salt,
the Purest Salt on Earth"
(and Why You Want to Avoid Conventional Salt)
Salt is essential for life -- you cannot live without it. However, most people simply don't realize that there are enormous differences between the standard, refined table and cooking salt most of you are accustomed to using and natural health-promoting salt.

These differences can have a major impact on your staying healthy.

If you want your body to function properly, you need holistic salt complete with all-natural elements. Today's common table salt has nothing in common with natural salt.

Your table salt is actually 97.5% sodium chloride and 2.5% chemicals such as moisture absorbents, and iodine. Dried at over 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit, the excessive heat alters the natural chemical structure of the salt.

This Salt Is Over 250 Million Years Old
This is by far the purest salt available on earth and is absolutely uncontaminated with any toxins or pollutants.

Once I learned about it and how beneficial it can be for you, my team and I literally spent nearly the last two years working on having it brought over to the U.S. from Nepal.

I thought I would be able to provide this salt last year but to say obtaining this salt is difficult would be an enormous understatement. You see, the suppliers of this salt have no standard infrastructure available and we have to work through people that have no idea of how normal business operates.

The shipment had to go through a number of different countries before we were finally able to import it into the US so you can use it.

Quite truthfully, all the bugs are not worked out in the supply system, and we may sell out of this salt very quickly because of all its incredible benefits -- that's why, if you are interested I encourage you to place your order as soon as possible! If we do sell out this supply early, if our past experience is any predictor of the future it may be 6 months to a year before we are able to have more to sell to you. I have never in my life seen a product that has been this challenging to obtain.

This salt from the Himalayas is known as "white gold." Together with pure spring water, Himalayan Crystal Salt offers all the natural elements exactly identical to the elements in your body -- the very same elements originally found existing in the "primal sea."

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Containing all of the 84 elements found in your body, the benefits of natural Himalayan Crystal Salt include:

1.Regulating the water content throughout your body.
2.Promoting a healthy pH balance in your cells, particularly your brain cells.
3.Promoting blood sugar health and helping to reduce the signs of aging.
4.Assisting in the generation of hydroelectric energy in cells in your body.
5.Absorption of food particles through your intestinal tract.
6.Supporting respiratory health.
7.Promoting sinus health.
8.Prevention of muscle cramps.
9.Promoting bone strength.
10.Regulating your sleep -- it naturally promotes sleep.
11.Supporting your libido.
12.Promoting vascular health.
13.In conjunction with water it is actually essential for the regulation of your blood pressure.
The Typical Table And Cooking Salt In Your
Grocery Store Has Been "Chemically Cleaned"
What remains after typical salt is "chemically cleaned" is sodium chloride -- an unnatural chemical form of salt that your body recognizes as something completely foreign. This form of salt is in almost every preserved product that you eat. Therefore, when you add more salt to your already salted food, your body receives more salt than it can dispose of.

This is important as over 90% of the money that people spend on food is for processed food.

Typical table salt crystals are totally isolated from each other. In order for your body to try to metabolize table salt crystals, it must sacrifice tremendous amounts of energy.

Inorganic sodium chloride can keep you from an ideal fluid balance and can overburden your elimination systems.

When your body tries to isolate the excess salt you typically expose it to, water molecules must surround the sodium chloride to break them up into sodium and chloride ions in order to help your body neutralize them. To accomplish this, water is taken from your cells in order to neutralize the unnatural sodium chloride.

This results in a less-than-ideal fluid balance in the cells.

You Are Losing Precious Intracellular Water When You Eat Normal Table Salt
For every gram of sodium chloride that your body cannot get rid of, your body uses 23 times the amount of cell water to neutralize the salt. Eating common table salt causes excess fluid in your body tissue, which can contribute to:

*Unsightly cellulite
*Rheumatism, arthritis and gout
*Kidney and gall bladder stones
When you consider that the average person consumes 4,000 to 6,000 mg of sodium chloride each day, and heavy users can ingest as much as 10,000 mg in a day, it is clear that this is a serious and pervasive issue.

So Why Are Many People Still Using Table Salt?
Because well over 90% of the world's salt is being used directly for industrial purposes that require pure sodium chloride. The remaining percentage is used for preserving processes and ends up on your kitchen table.

With the use of rigorous advertising, the salt industry is successful in convincing you there are actually health advantages to adding potentially toxic iodine and fluoride to salt. In addition, your table salt very often contains potentially dangerous preservatives. Calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, and aluminum hydroxide are often added to improve the ability of table salt to pour. Aluminum is a light alloy that deposits into your brain -- a potential cause of Alzheimer's disease.

Get Salt as Nature Intended It -- Pure Himalayan Crystal Salt

With chemical dumping and toxic oil spills polluting the oceans at an alarming rate, most of today's sea salt is not nearly as pure as it used to be. Himalayan Crystal Salt is pure salt that is mined and washed by hand -- with zero environmental pollutants.

Today's table and cooking salt is void of the vital trace minerals that make this Himalayan crystal salt so precious. Crystal salt has spent over 250 million years maturing under extreme tectonic pressure, far away from exposure to impurities.

The salt's unique structure also stores vibrational energy. All of the crystal salt's inherent minerals and trace elements are available in colloidal form -- meaning they are so small your cells can readily absorb them.

The Crystal Salt from the Himalayas does not burden your body as other salts do. It is very difficult for your body to absorb too much crystal salt since there are powerful and effective feedback loops that regulate this process. Natural crystal salt always promotes a healthy balance and does not contribute to high blood pressure like typical table salt.

Crystal Salt's array of elements forms a compound in which each molecule is inter-connected. The connectedness allows the vibrational component of the 84 trace elements present in the salt to be in harmony with each other and adds to the ability to promote a healthy balance. When it comes to the power of natural salt, nothing compares to Himalayan Crystal Salt. Here's why:

*It is the highest grade of natural salt.

*Under an electron microscope, crystal salt has a perfect crystalline structure.

*It is mined by hand and hand-washed.

*Crystal salt is immune to electromagnetic fields

*Crystal Salt contains no environmental pollutants.

*There is no limited shelf life and no need for silica packets to prevent clumping.

Key Minerals in Himalayan Crystal Salt Promote a Healthy Balance in Your Body
Himalayan Crystal Salt is salt in its native form, with all its vibrational energy intact and it helps promote a healthy balance in your body. Promoting balanced electrolytes helps to keep your body in homeostasis -- the balance of chemicals that is conducive to the body's function.

The renowned Frezenius Institute in Europe analyzed the Himalayan Crystal Salt and proved that it has an amazing array of important trace minerals and elements including potassium, calcium and magnesium that help promote a healthy balance by maintaining fluids and replenishing your supply of electrolytes whenever you sweat heavily. (This salt does not supply iodide, a necessary nutrient.)

Himalayan Salt vs. Sea Salt and Rock Salt: A Crystal Comparison
Many people believe sea salt is a healthy alternative to table salt, but this is no longer the case. The oceans are being used as dumping grounds for harmful toxic poisons like mercury, PCBs and dioxin. Reports of oil spills polluting the sea are becoming more frequent. With some 89% of all the sea salt producers now refining their salt, today's sea salt simply isn't as healthy as it used to be.

If you were to look into a microscope at sea salt (pictured left) you would see it has irregular and isolated crystalline structures disconnected from the natural elements surrounding them. Thus, however many vital minerals it may contain, they cannot be absorbed by your body unless the body expends tremendous energy to vitalize them. Your body's net gain is small compared to the great loss of energy.

Because the crystalline structure of crystal salt is balanced (pictured right), it is not isolated from the 84 inherent mineral elements, but is connected to them in a harmonious state. This means the energy content in the form of minerals can be easily metabolized by your body. When you use this salt it has a vital energetic effect. Your body gets an ample net gain with little energy loss.

Mined salt, or rock salt, is also a poor substitute for Himalayan Crystal Salt. While natural rock salt comes close to being intact and is more valuable than industrial table salt, from a biophysical as well as bio-chemical perspective, it holds little value.

The elements contained in rock salt lack sufficient compression to be included in the crystal web, but are only attached to the surface and in the gaps of the crystalline structure. It is the considerable pressure that brings the elements to a colloidal state - where your cells can readily absorb them. The valuable elements found in rock salt are useless because your body cannot absorb and metabolize them.

A New and Different Way to Experience
the Salty-Sweet Goodness of Himalayan Crystal Salt
Not only is Himalayan Crystal Salt far healthier for your body than commercial salt, its taste is unforgettable. Once you try Himalayan salt, I can promise you that you'll never want to use commercial salt again - I know I don't.

And here's a unique way to enjoy Himalayan salt's slightly sweet-salty goodness with your food...

Featured on several top cooking shows, Himalayan Salt kitchen slabs have become the newest sensation for extraordinary food preparation and presentation.

Measuring a generous 16-1/2 inches by 8 inches, and a full 1-3/4 inch thick, this beautiful translucent pink crystal salt slab serves as a cooking and curing surface, and a lovely way to present chilled foods.

To grill or saut with your Himalayan Salt Kitchen Slab, simply preheat your slab over a grill or stove and toss on your favorite sliced meats, seafood, vegetables or eggs. The Himalayan crystal salt sears your food to perfection, with a just a light touch of heavenly salty flavor.

You'll Stop Conversations in Their Tracks
When You Bring Out This Eye-Catching Platter...
The Himalayan Salt Kitchen Slab is perfect for cold foods, too. Chill slab in the refrigerator and then load with sushi, hors d'oeuvres, cheeses and slices of fruit. You'll love the delicate saltiness imparted to your food and the beautiful salt serving platter will become an instant conversation stopper.

Other ideas for your Himalayan Salt Kitchen Slab...

*Arrange thin strips of raw grass-fed organic beef on your chilled slab and watch as the salt cures the edges. Or try your hand at curing a batch of wild Salmon Gravlax.
*Chill slab in the freezer overnight and serve ice cream on top for a beautiful presentation and delicate salty-sweet goodness.
*Transfer the preheated slab to your dining table and grill fresh seafood or sliced free-range organic chicken breasts right in front of your dinner guests (be sure to use a heavy trivet as the slab retains its heat for an hour or longer).
Cleanup is a breeze - lightly scrub off any remaining food particles with a dry brush and store for next use. Avoid contact with water or other liquids.

Please note that when used for cooking, the translucent appearance of your salt slab may change and small fissures in the crystal may appear. This is normal and does not affect the performance of your salt slab.

To preserve its luminescent beauty as a chilled serving platter, I recommend you reserve one slab for cooking and use another for serving only chilled foods.

Order one or more Himalayan Salt Kitchen Slabs today and introduce a little fun into your cooking routine!

You Can Also Use Himalayan Crystal Salt as a Bath Soak
Not only is Himalayan Crystal Salt far healthier for your body than commercial salt, its taste is unforgettable. Once you try Himalayan salt, I can promise you that you'll never want to use commercial salt again - I know I don't.

And here's a unique way to enjoy Himalayan salt's slightly sweet-salty goodness with your food...

Featured on several top cooking shows, Himalayan Salt kitchen slabs have become the newest sensation for extraordinary food preparation and presentation.

Measuring a generous 16-1/2 inches by 8 inches, and a full 1-3/4 inch thick, this beautiful translucent pink crystal salt slab serves as a cooking and curing surface, and a lovely way to present chilled foods.

To grill or saut with your Himalayan Salt Kitchen Slab, simply preheat your slab over a grill or stove and toss on your favorite sliced meats, seafood, vegetables or eggs. The Himalayan crystal salt sears your food to perfection, with a just a light touch of heavenly salty flavor.

Incredible Deal!

From Dr
He also says the low salt regime is a myth
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Day 6

1/2 TSP of Sea Salt
1/2 TSP of Vit C Powder
Twice daily

Have not noticed any effects good or bad.

I continue the Buhner protocol started 4 weeks ago. I just increase the eleuthero and andrographis starting yesterday.

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
maybe people should be warned that celtic salt is not the best choice for the salt/C protocol???

On lymestrategies there is very little ongoing discussion of salt/c. Also people are censored there from talking about the problems there are having with salt/c. Some people dont do well with this protocol may due to salt sensitivity or using the wrong salt etc.

A pity because an objective discussion is needed.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

I haven't seen any censorship on lymestrategies about talking about the problems they might be having doing the salt/c protocol.

I have seen comments as far as how important it is to do the protocol correctly and to RAMP UP SLOWLY. The most problems are with not following this advice, and or not drinking enough water.

I have used Himalyan and Celtic sea salt in the past. I currently use Real Salt which i have had excellent results with. This protocol along with antiparasitic herbs has literaly saved my life.

Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :

I haven't seen any censorship on lymestrategies about talking about the problems they might be having doing the salt/c protocol.

I have seen comments as far as how important it is to do the protocol correctly and to RAMP UP SLOWLY. The most problems are with not following this advice, and or not drinking enough water.

I have used Himalyan and Celtic sea salt in the past. I currently use Real Salt which i have had excellent results with. This protocol along with antiparasitic herbs has literaly saved my life.

Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
There is a facebook group. just type salt/C lyme.

Also Gary also known as lymenurse has some videos on salt/c.
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :

Here is a website of someone who had trouble with the salt/c protocol. His protocol:

Substitute 1 gram of sodium chloride tablet with 1 gram Himalayan Mineral Salt capsule and substitute 3 grams of Vitamin C with 1 capsule of Apple Poly (which works out to 4 capsules of Apple polyphenols and 12 capsules of Himalayan Mineral Salt per day for me.)
Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
garys video

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